The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:35 pm Man the baddies are really coming out of the woodwork to jump on lil old me.

You guys have grievances you wanna talk about? Those would be good.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:58 pm For those of you claiming fake roles, namely speedchuck and Made. Did y'all target anyone last night?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:42 pm nanook told me that someone is town therefore they are a wolf is this good logic

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:57 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:54 pm

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:49 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:14 pm IMO wolves will either unintentionally not interact with eachother or they will and when they do they will try to sell it

this has no selling value so don't paint that as w/w unless you think we're both bad

hello my fellow townsman

would you like to join me on a vote on [VOTE: Macaplyier?

I don't think he's good this game] aubergine

can you elaborate on why you are scum reading Mac?

He usally seems same-y in the small sample size of early games i've seen of his.

okay i didn't want to share this too soon, but it may help the thread.
i was informed that I took a n0 vig shot against a player because i thought they were talking fun, and that they were mafia.

I don't recall doing this, and from what i can tell everyone is still alive, BUT if i were to of taken a N0 vig shot, it would of been at Mac. therefore he's very likely mafia this game

That said, [VOTE: Esoaa
is probably just mafia here] aubergine

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:55 pm I feel like something's off with TSP, granted I don't think I've had a whole tonnage of experience playing with him.

But this just feels tonally off to go from this

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:54 pm vote martin i guess

cereal with knife turned out poorly

to this

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:14 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:23 pm i mean jfc

no one has reasoned to me exactly why someone else is scum

even after I claimed I didn't really have any reads

like the lack of town coordination or ability on display here

is just bad imo overall

fine you can be town

Or at least when I say "fine", or starting with it, it generally has more agitation with it.

Here he could've said:

"ok you can be town"
"I've changed my mind martin is town"
"I don't think martin is scum now"

etc etc etc

Instead he just says "fine you can be town", which looks and feels a lot different to me than from where he originally started as "vote martin I guess"


Granted ofc this could be to me not knowing him well as a player.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:53 am @TonyStarkPrime

Can you eleborate on the town tell on Marmot you mentioned the other day? How successful is it?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:48 am TSP's iso is kinda meh. He gave a lot of townreads yesterday, no scumreads though. Unless you count his calling of speddchuk/myself the scum team in rvs stage. I don't.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:42 pm nanook told me that someone is town therefore they are a wolf is this good logic

I came across this post TSP, what does it mean? Who's town?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:24 am D1 Speed chuck was hard to figure out since I thought the thing about copping Tony's partner just seemed like a joke, but i did want him to out the result for curiosity. He backed off later and said it was a post restriction thing. I did take his word at face value, and didnt press it since i didnt see it as particularly useful info to pick at.

I think post restrictions should be treated as non-AI this game. Not sure if i have said that already.

I do think that Speed tying up the votes is probably the singerly most scummy thing he has done this game. Like, its scummy wheather or not Marmot turns out to be scum. Giving mafia the chance to choose who to shoot means they can build WIFOM on a player that was garnering suspicion, (Marmot in this case).

Really only argument i can think of for town doing this is not knowing better, I dont have the experince w/ Speed to know if town them makes a mistake like that.

So yes, i do scum lean Speed.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:35 am Tony SR was fueled by spinning non-ai things about me as if they were scummy.

Just seemed like he was saying things for the sake of putting reads out there, but not really thinking about it in a slovely way. If that makes sense.

Of course im not very familiar with Tony, so there could be method to the madness.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:36 am "Potential for mod lies! I promise it’ll be fun."

Anybody seen any reason to think lies are happening?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:39 am I don't want to treat this like a mountainous 9 player setup because it isn't supposed to be one, but someone plz give me reasons not to treat it as such.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:55 am Crazy idea. Everyone has to state their night targets in the thread instead of via pm, and so Mac doced speedchuck and Made kill Mac.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:56 am Yeah it's crazy. So is Nanook. I dunno, this probably isn't the way, but why would Mac say who he was doccing?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:37 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:53 am @TonyStarkPrime

Can you eleborate on the town tell on Marmot you mentioned the other day? How successful is it?

How would I know he’s still alive(?) Bayes suggests that’s not good for my case but oh well.

He might not like this but on a secondary level wolves in danger don’t often scumread people just for townreading them :P

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:38 am I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:47 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:41 pm When y’all think bastard, what do y’all expect?
Like I assumed just role switches, things like that
[VOTE: ] aubergine

[VOTE:

People being lied to about their roles.

Broken game mechanics like jesters and maybe lynchers as well.

False cops who aren't told they are false cops. Unreliable information. Nanook straight-up lying to us.

IDK. Been a long time since I've played a roight bastad game.] aubergine

Made wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:52 pm Gut read: ties aren’t resolved by mafia. I’m cool where things are I think

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:14 pm [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Don't make Mac do all the work for you.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:22 pm inb4 I flip Mafia instead of Vapor Trails.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:14 pm [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Don't make Mac do all the work for you.

So Marmot cast this vote after voting Esooa and making it a 3-3 tie between Esooa and Marmot.

So he decided to make it 3-2-1 for Marmot-Esooa-TSP.

That feels like an action that is designed to make us say "Why would a wolf do that? Probably just towny." It's a tactic that has won me game sin the past as a wolf.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:22 pm inb4 I flip Mafia instead of Vapor Trails.

What does this mean? What's Vapor Trails? Is this connected to Vanity Towels? Oh goddammit I get it now never mind. Bah.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:14 pm [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Don't make Mac do all the work for you.

So Marmot cast this vote after voting Esooa and making it a 3-3 tie between Esooa and Marmot.

So he decided to make it 3-2-1 for Marmot-Esooa-TSP.

That feels like an action that is designed to make us say "Why would a wolf do that? Probably just towny." It's a tactic that has won me game sin the past as a wolf.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:22 pm inb4 I flip Mafia instead of Vapor Trails.

What does this mean? What's Vapor Trails? Is this connected to Vanity Towels? Oh goddammit I get it now never mind. Bah.

It was more of a "I think I'm Vermin Traps, so I don't really care if I die here over esooa" kind of vote.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:28 am The end of Day 1 was entirely ridiculous. Everyone involved seem to be making the worst possible decisions.

It ended with Marmot and Essoa tied.

That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.

It looks awful for Esooa, just based on general understanding of the rules of the game.

It looks awful for Marmot, survivor of the tie he could have very easily broken.

Martin is a wolf. [VOTE: Martin] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:28 am The end of Day 1 was entirely ridiculous. Everyone involved seem to be making the worst possible decisions.

It ended with Marmot and Essoa tied.

That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.

It looks awful for Esooa, just based on general understanding of the rules of the game.

It looks awful for Marmot, survivor of the tie he could have very easily broken.

Martin is a wolf. [VOTE: Martin] aubergine

You're not wrong about Martin's vote. Although Martin is the towniest player in the game to me aside from his vote location at EOD.

Why are these the worst possible decisions? We appeared to be the only three around at EOD, meaning the wagons were hardstuck at 3-3 aside from our votes. What else could we do that would've looked better in your eyes?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:21 pm I thought she was town. Her attitude at EOD resonated with mine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:20 pm Is this true: any yeet that does not end in a tie is always superior to a yeet that ends in a tie.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:21 pm I thought she was town. Her attitude at EOD resonated with mine.

Yeah, but you are wrong sometimes, aren't you? Like, does that not factor into a decision like this in a very important way?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:28 am The end of Day 1 was entirely ridiculous. Everyone involved seem to be making the worst possible decisions.

It ended with Marmot and Essoa tied.

That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.

It looks awful for Esooa, just based on general understanding of the rules of the game.

It looks awful for Marmot, survivor of the tie he could have very easily broken.

Martin is a wolf. [VOTE: Martin] aubergine

You're not wrong about Martin's vote. Although Martin is the towniest player in the game to me aside from his vote location at EOD.

Why are these the worst possible decisions? We appeared to be the only three around at EOD, meaning the wagons were hardstuck at 3-3 aside from our votes. What else could we do that would've looked better in your eyes?

You could have at least tried a vote that takes the power away from the mafia team. Unless you mean it was just an accepted assumption that if you voted for her, she would instantly vote for you?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:40 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:16 am Wait actually TSP is just voting me =_=

and Chuck is voting Marmot rn

TSP/Chuck team? hmmm

how likely a world do you see this as Martian?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:36 am I'm surprised Mac was killed last night, I guess the mafia really bought his doc claim.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:36 am Anybody seen any reason to think lies are happening?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:54 am Why would you have taken a N0 vig of Mac? I'm curious because Mac is now dead. It's probably a coincidence, but

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:17 am the wolf team is speed/marmot. this is the way.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:42 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:24 am D1 Speed chuck was hard to figure out since I thought the thing about copping Tony's partner just seemed like a joke, but i did want him to out the result for curiosity. He backed off later and said it was a post restriction thing. I did take his word at face value, and didnt press it since i didnt see it as particularly useful info to pick at.

I think post restrictions should be treated as non-AI this game. Not sure if i have said that already.

I do think that Speed tying up the votes is probably the singerly most scummy thing he has done this game. Like, its scummy wheather or not Marmot turns out to be scum. Giving mafia the chance to choose who to shoot means they can build WIFOM on a player that was garnering suspicion, (Marmot in this case).

Really only argument i can think of for town doing this is not knowing better, I dont have the experince w/ Speed to know if town them makes a mistake like that.

So yes, i do scum lean Speed.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:35 am Tony SR was fueled by spinning non-ai things about me as if they were scummy.

Just seemed like he was saying things for the sake of putting reads out there, but not really thinking about it in a slovely way. If that makes sense.

Of course im not very familiar with Tony, so there could be method to the madness.

Sort by character count become WW expert?

Char puts almost zero thought into this read on me, puts paragraphs in on Speed, and still inexplicably has a bloodlust for the groundhog

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:44 am Speed is largely persona non grata. No reason to think it’s Speed/Marmot because Speed doesn’t need to tie up the votes to save Marmot if Marmot is voting off wagon

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:59 pm Hot Take: TSP mad that I red checked his partner

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:39 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:01 pm yes I am who'd you redcheck

Your partner.

I thought we'd been over this.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:29 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:39 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:01 pm yes I am who'd you redcheck

Your partner.

I thought we'd been over this.

whose his partner?

You tell me

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:30 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:25 pm @Martiangg99 consolidate onto marmot please?

I could also support TSP/Esoopa

Im not interested in LC atm b/c he adores living in PoE as both alignments.

little early for consolidation innit?

I don't support a TSP lynch at this time.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:33 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:40 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:16 am Wait actually TSP is just voting me =_=

and Chuck is voting Marmot rn

TSP/Chuck team? hmmm

how likely a world do you see this as Martian?

well given that I've been lost for most of D1

and *perhaps* I could be missing some things

I'm not very confident on it and I'm speaking about it so that people may agree or disagree with me on it