Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:36 am
Too many typos.
I'm not convinced. Even without personal experience with tutuu's typos, I'm loath to pin that on someone. I think the possible bus is a stronger theory than that.
How different is the current game atmosphere to what you remember? Are there any things that seem cozy and familiar to you?
Cozy? No, I'm paranoid already. Familiar, yeah, I'm starting to remember how Day 0s feel, and this is fitting the bill. Wild accusations that blow up into huge discussions.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:54 am
it seems plausible to me that tutuu is trying to type really fast on her phone and making more typos than usual as a result. her not going out of her way to correct those typos is the type of thing that seems totally NAI to me
Maybe. I was going to say I don't believe that now is when she suddenly started using her phone to type mafia posts but I just realized that she said she was at her grandma's for easter or something so I could buy it. Mac is also vouching for her and I'm pretty sure Mac is town so I'll take her as a null for now.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:54 am
ok look if your character has the last name of kitchen or milligan or gerhardt (asterisk not if your first name is Charlie) or is hanzee and you are also town and willing to say something about it please do
this is the kind of shit that makes me think you have setup knowledge.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:23 pmif i was a wolf and i had the tiebreaker vote between the two deadlines, i would probably feel self-conscious about choosing my vote without discussing it with the rest of the thread first. that made me wonder if alison's question toward sloonei served the purpose of giving her a "reason" to put down a vote, since the timing of her question struck me as relatively odd/unnatural
it is a nitpicky read
This concerns me, because I don't think this is an authentic thought. SPF knows me and knows that I wouldn't feel self-conscious about this poll. It's a thin justification, and she acknowledges that it's thin, but I'm wondering if she would have genuinely come up with this sort of idea at all in the first place.
what makes it difficult for you to believe that this is a thought that Town!SPF would have?
Because you opened up this discussion with the statement "Alison is a purposeful player". You're not just making blind guesses about what a hypothetical mafioso would or wouldn't do - you're directly trying to predict if I, specifically me, would do this as mafia. And it's fairly obvious that I'm not the kind of mafia player to feel at all self conscious about something like this. Hence my concern.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:23 pmif i was a wolf and i had the tiebreaker vote between the two deadlines, i would probably feel self-conscious about choosing my vote without discussing it with the rest of the thread first. that made me wonder if alison's question toward sloonei served the purpose of giving her a "reason" to put down a vote, since the timing of her question struck me as relatively odd/unnatural
it is a nitpicky read
This concerns me, because I don't think this is an authentic thought. SPF knows me and knows that I wouldn't feel self-conscious about this poll. It's a thin justification, and she acknowledges that it's thin, but I'm wondering if she would have genuinely come up with this sort of idea at all in the first place.
what makes it difficult for you to believe that this is a thought that Town!SPF would have?
Because you opened up this discussion with the statement "Alison is a purposeful player". You're not just making blind guesses about what a hypothetical mafioso would or wouldn't do - you're directly trying to predict if I, specifically me, would do this as mafia. And it's fairly obvious that I'm not the kind of mafia player to feel at all self conscious about something like this. Hence my concern.
you are a purposeful player, and you made a post toward sloonei that was clearly purposeful, but not in a way that i could easily identify or figure out. that led me to speculate that your post came from a wolf mindset - a mindset where you would be more likely to feel the need to provide a justification for your vote in the tiebreaker poll
i think that your explanation is fine, but the concern seems reasonable, no?
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:55 am
spf give a read on me
i don't have a read on you that i feel comfortable outing ATM
why are you not comfortable giving a gth read
because the only thoughts i have about your alignment so far are centered around the ~vibes~ i'm getting from your opening posts & my meta on you, which you are more than capable of playing around. i need the game to go on longer for me to give a read on you that actually stems from a logical place
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:55 am
spf give a read on me
i don't have a read on you that i feel comfortable outing ATM
why are you not comfortable giving a gth read
because the only thoughts i have about your alignment so far are centered around the ~vibes~ i'm getting from your opening posts & my meta on you, which you are more than capable of playing around. i need the game to go on longer for me to give a read on you that actually stems from a logical place
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:55 am
spf give a read on me
i don't have a read on you that i feel comfortable outing ATM
why are you not comfortable giving a gth read
because the only thoughts i have about your alignment so far are centered around the ~vibes~ i'm getting from your opening posts & my meta on you, which you are more than capable of playing around. i need the game to go on longer for me to give a read on you that actually stems from a logical place
if i had to give a GTH read, though? town
why
ask me again in like 24 hours - i won't be able to give you a logical reason right now
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:58 pm
HELLOOOOOOOOOO HOW ARE YOU GUYS I HAVENT PLAYED MAFIA IN SO LONG IM SO EXCITED I COULDNT WAIT TILL TRH GAELME ISNOVER IM ACTUALY FEELING SO FRESH LIKE I JUST DTSRTED PPLAYIBG MAFIA AGAIN AND THERES SO MUCH MEMORIES
IM AT MY GRANDMAS VILLAGE AND IN THIS VERY ROOM I STARTED PLAYING MAFIA A FEW YEARS AGO. ALSO I HAVE NO WIFI AND I HAVE TO USE MOBILE DATA THANKFULLY MY PLAN GIVES ME 20 GB EVERY MONTH. ALSO ON MY FITDT SYNDICATE GAME I WAS IN MY OTHER GTNADMAS VILLAGE AND I ALSO HAD TO USE MOBILE DATA AND ITS SOOO NOSTALGIC SO REFTEHSING
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:18 am
in fallout mafia you stated an early town read on me without problem
What's the difference?
you were mafia, though. i've learned that the best way to read you is to keep a microscope on your progressions & the specific angles that you push, and the game hasn't gone on for long enough for me to have any meaningful opinions about you. even so, you have my GTH read on you
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:18 am
in fallout mafia you stated an early town read on me without problem
What's the difference?
you were mafia, though. i've learned that the best way to read you is to keep a microscope on your progressions & the specific angles that you push, and the game hasn't gone on for long enough for me to have any meaningful opinions about you. even so, you have my GTH read on you
I feel like you're faking paranoia/skepticism cause you're not sure how you should go about reading me as mafia
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:18 am
in fallout mafia you stated an early town read on me without problem
What's the difference?
you were mafia, though. i've learned that the best way to read you is to keep a microscope on your progressions & the specific angles that you push, and the game hasn't gone on for long enough for me to have any meaningful opinions about you. even so, you have my GTH read on you
I feel like you're faking paranoia/skepticism cause you're not sure how you should go about reading me as mafia
But okay
she just townread you when you were a wolf. Do you not think that this would have any impact?
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:18 am
in fallout mafia you stated an early town read on me without problem
What's the difference?
you were mafia, though. i've learned that the best way to read you is to keep a microscope on your progressions & the specific angles that you push, and the game hasn't gone on for long enough for me to have any meaningful opinions about you. even so, you have my GTH read on you
I feel like you're faking paranoia/skepticism cause you're not sure how you should go about reading me as mafia
But okay
she just townread you when you were a wolf. Do you not think that this would have any impact?
this was last month,
"i like esooa's p#214 (and gimmick in general) both because her gimmick is funny and because she's doing something unique and out-of-character without caring about how it's going to make other people perceive her. my meta on esooa is that she tends to carve herself into her own corners of the game as town and isn't afraid to do stuff that goes against the mindset of ~wanting~ to be townread - i think that esooa adopting her gimmick for as long as she did is something that bodes well for. i also kind of liked esooa hiveminding w/me about one of rex's posts being towny on p#241. i'm not going to pretend to know how to read esooa, but i get generally good vibes from her slot so far"
as the 305th post
After Jess town read me, while I was wolf, two games in a row
I don't think that is why she isn't giving a read on me
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:05 am
you are a purposeful player, and you made a post toward sloonei that was clearly purposeful, but not in a way that i could easily identify or figure out. that led me to speculate that your post came from a wolf mindset - a mindset where you would be more likely to feel the need to provide a justification for your vote in the tiebreaker poll
i think that your explanation is fine, but the concern seems reasonable, no?
Can you work this out for me? Like starting from step 1 and proceeding onwards, why wolf Alison is more likely to feel a need to justify her vote?
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:18 am
in fallout mafia you stated an early town read on me without problem
What's the difference?
you were mafia, though. i've learned that the best way to read you is to keep a microscope on your progressions & the specific angles that you push, and the game hasn't gone on for long enough for me to have any meaningful opinions about you. even so, you have my GTH read on you
I feel like you're faking paranoia/skepticism cause you're not sure how you should go about reading me as mafia
But okay
she just townread you when you were a wolf. Do you not think that this would have any impact?
this was last month,
"i like esooa's p#214 (and gimmick in general) both because her gimmick is funny and because she's doing something unique and out-of-character without caring about how it's going to make other people perceive her. my meta on esooa is that she tends to carve herself into her own corners of the game as town and isn't afraid to do stuff that goes against the mindset of ~wanting~ to be townread - i think that esooa adopting her gimmick for as long as she did is something that bodes well for. i also kind of liked esooa hiveminding w/me about one of rex's posts being towny on p#241. i'm not going to pretend to know how to read esooa, but i get generally good vibes from her slot so far"
as the 305th post
After Jess town read me, while I was wolf, two games in a row
I don't think that is why she isn't giving a read on me
if i continually townread you when you are a wolf, then that should indicate that it's time to take a different approach to reading you, don't you think?
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:18 am
in fallout mafia you stated an early town read on me without problem
What's the difference?
you were mafia, though. i've learned that the best way to read you is to keep a microscope on your progressions & the specific angles that you push, and the game hasn't gone on for long enough for me to have any meaningful opinions about you. even so, you have my GTH read on you
I feel like you're faking paranoia/skepticism cause you're not sure how you should go about reading me as mafia
But okay
she just townread you when you were a wolf. Do you not think that this would have any impact?
this was last month,
"i like esooa's p#214 (and gimmick in general) both because her gimmick is funny and because she's doing something unique and out-of-character without caring about how it's going to make other people perceive her. my meta on esooa is that she tends to carve herself into her own corners of the game as town and isn't afraid to do stuff that goes against the mindset of ~wanting~ to be townread - i think that esooa adopting her gimmick for as long as she did is something that bodes well for. i also kind of liked esooa hiveminding w/me about one of rex's posts being towny on p#241. i'm not going to pretend to know how to read esooa, but i get generally good vibes from her slot so far"
as the 305th post
After Jess town read me, while I was wolf, two games in a row
I don't think that is why she isn't giving a read on me
if i continually townread you when you are a wolf, then that should indicate that it's time to take a different approach to reading you, don't you think?
but this game was actually closer to the games you town read me while I was wolfing. Why change now, and not then?
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:18 am
in fallout mafia you stated an early town read on me without problem
What's the difference?
you were mafia, though. i've learned that the best way to read you is to keep a microscope on your progressions & the specific angles that you push, and the game hasn't gone on for long enough for me to have any meaningful opinions about you. even so, you have my GTH read on you
I feel like you're faking paranoia/skepticism cause you're not sure how you should go about reading me as mafia
But okay
she just townread you when you were a wolf. Do you not think that this would have any impact?
this was last month,
"i like esooa's p#214 (and gimmick in general) both because her gimmick is funny and because she's doing something unique and out-of-character without caring about how it's going to make other people perceive her. my meta on esooa is that she tends to carve herself into her own corners of the game as town and isn't afraid to do stuff that goes against the mindset of ~wanting~ to be townread - i think that esooa adopting her gimmick for as long as she did is something that bodes well for. i also kind of liked esooa hiveminding w/me about one of rex's posts being towny on p#241. i'm not going to pretend to know how to read esooa, but i get generally good vibes from her slot so far"
as the 305th post
After Jess town read me, while I was wolf, two games in a row
I don't think that is why she isn't giving a read on me
if i continually townread you when you are a wolf, then that should indicate that it's time to take a different approach to reading you, don't you think?
but this game was actually closer to the games you town read me while I was wolfing. Why change now, and not then?
i mean, you can take this as a cop-out answer, but the answer is just: "because i feel like changing it now, and i didn't feel like changing it then"
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:26 ami mean, you can take this as a cop-out answer, but the answer is just: "because i feel like changing it now, and i didn't feel like changing it then"
...I mean, maybe. But I don't get it. Why did you want to now? Was it actually just because you read me wrong?
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:05 am
you are a purposeful player, and you made a post toward sloonei that was clearly purposeful, but not in a way that i could easily identify or figure out. that led me to speculate that your post came from a wolf mindset - a mindset where you would be more likely to feel the need to provide a justification for your vote in the tiebreaker poll
i think that your explanation is fine, but the concern seems reasonable, no?
Can you work this out for me? Like starting from step 1 and proceeding onwards, why wolf Alison is more likely to feel a need to justify her vote?
it's not specifically wolf alison - it's wolves in general. wolves are generally much more conscientious about their position in the thread and about the way that they're coming off to other players, and even the most confident and talented wolves still tend to slip out a mindset that is overly focused on how they're being perceived
as a result of that mindset, wolves tend to feel more internal pressure to provide justification/reasoning for stuff that they wouldn't bother explaining as town
my concern about you was based on how i feel wolves tend to act in ~general~, and not specifically in relation to how i feel wolf Alison would act
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:26 ami mean, you can take this as a cop-out answer, but the answer is just: "because i feel like changing it now, and i didn't feel like changing it then"
...I mean, maybe. But I don't get it. Why did you want to now? Was it actually just because you read me wrong?
to recap:
you asked me for my GTH read on you. i gave you my GTH read on you, and i don't feel like expanding on that read because most of it boils down to meta/tone, which you are more than capable of faking, and which i do not feel is a good baseline to read you from. i am reading you from a different baseline in this game. i don't have much else to say about it right now
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:26 ami mean, you can take this as a cop-out answer, but the answer is just: "because i feel like changing it now, and i didn't feel like changing it then"
...I mean, maybe. But I don't get it. Why did you want to now? Was it actually just because you read me wrong?
to recap:
you asked me for my GTH read on you. i gave you my GTH read on you, and i don't feel like expanding on that read because most of it boils down to meta/tone, which you are more than capable of faking, and which i do not feel is a good baseline to read you from. i am reading you from a different baseline in this game. i don't have much else to say about it right now
okay. I don't care to say more. Just find it weird you didn't want to give a read on me originally
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:51 am
@staypositivefriend whats your jjj read
gth i think that he's town. i liked that he kept his read on alison hidden until multiple people had already spoken about her - it felt like jagged formed an early suspicion against alison and decided to observe the dynamic surrounding her before he fully outed his read, which is the type of fluid/methodical solving i generally associate with his town game. i also think that sloonei confidently townreading jagged is something that bodes well for him, unless we live in a world where jagged/sloonei are both exactly wolves
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:21 pm
This game already feels like a civilian win. Strut your stuff town gang and we can climb the 2021 leaderboard in no time. Just do your thing, because you've been blessed with a state of total solving comfort.
This quote is weird cause from what I know of jjj his typical approach is to direct town towards an atmosphere of solving the game
This feels showy and is contrary to that goal cause complacency in reads is very, just, not good in general lol
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:22 pm
My read on tutuu's energetic openings -- No read exists, please provide new input.
My read on tutuu's initial reads -- They're fine I guess. Consensus.
My perspective of tutuu -- No gripes, read will develop with more original contribution once she has acclimated. Cannot call town read with any confidence.
And this post is just wut. He wrote 3 sentences that say completely nothing
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:21 pm
This game already feels like a civilian win. Strut your stuff town gang and we can climb the 2021 leaderboard in no time. Just do your thing, because you've been blessed with a state of total solving comfort.
This quote is weird cause from what I know of jjj his typical approach is to direct town towards an atmosphere of solving the game
This feels showy and is contrary to that goal cause complacency in reads is very, just, not good in general lol
i can see what you're getting at - jagged usually has the mindset of: "never stop solving, never stop working together and cooperating" as town, and the post that you quoted could be interpreted as: "don't worry about solving, we've already got this in the bag!"
i don't find that post particularly wolfy because i think that the language of: "just do your thing/strut your stuff" is an encouragement for everyone to solve and put effort into scumhunting, as opposed to a call for complacency
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:22 pm
My read on tutuu's energetic openings -- No read exists, please provide new input.
My read on tutuu's initial reads -- They're fine I guess. Consensus.
My perspective of tutuu -- No gripes, read will develop with more original contribution once she has acclimated. Cannot call town read with any confidence.
And this post is just wut. He wrote 3 sentences that say completely nothing
Would Jay struggle to produce more meaningful content if he was mafia?
there was another post he made criticizing tsp I think it was, for speculating about multiball, which imo is a bad read cause most mafia would be self aware enough to not post that. I think jjj should know better than make that read. That, plus the tutuu thing, and his confidence, none of it feels natural
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
