Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Okay.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:46 pm Wolves, albeit usually not ones of your caliber, have tended to over-exaggerate when someone pinpoints a partner.
That being said, the reason I said "Half" is because I half would expect you to be too experienced to fall for a simpler ploy like that, and you read as mildly sarcastic in your response to me.
But I didn't want to give you that out if you hadn't.
excited is quoting me, I was paraphrasing lag. i was framing it as competition where for me personally that specific framing has positive connotations due to the lack of competition I normally face in games/school and whatnot. one concern i had was pulling wolf, thankfully I didn't cause then this lobby would become a burden compared to an assetAlison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:45 pmGenerally people are excited to play in stacked lists. I'm curious about your framing of it as a warning, a negative thing. Was there anything specific you or Lag were concerned or afraid about?
You should never judge a horse in the mouth. Or so I am told the saying goes.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:48 pmIs this the part where we try to get in your good graces? Because I've heard you're a scholar, a gentleman, and a fine judge of horses.
Okay.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:50 pmexcited is quoting me, I was paraphrasing lag. i was framing it as competition where for me personally that specific framing has positive connotations due to the lack of competition I normally face in games/school and whatnot. one concern i had was pulling wolf, thankfully I didn't cause then this lobby would become a burden compared to an assetAlison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:45 pmGenerally people are excited to play in stacked lists. I'm curious about your framing of it as a warning, a negative thing. Was there anything specific you or Lag were concerned or afraid about?
I don't make reads this earlyAlison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:52 pmOkay.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:50 pmexcited is quoting me, I was paraphrasing lag. i was framing it as competition where for me personally that specific framing has positive connotations due to the lack of competition I normally face in games/school and whatnot. one concern i had was pulling wolf, thankfully I didn't cause then this lobby would become a burden compared to an assetAlison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:45 pmGenerally people are excited to play in stacked lists. I'm curious about your framing of it as a warning, a negative thing. Was there anything specific you or Lag were concerned or afraid about?
What's your most confident read at this moment?
I have 0 people I'd consider clear enough to call them part of my squad - I have a light townread on Falcon and that's mostly it. You have three.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:06 pm lucy
Boquise
Seanzie
decent squad for Day 0. everybody get in my squad. show me your vip squad passes
I think I like this post more than any other I've seen in the thread.
I bet he added in the second part after the Champs Practice game.lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:57 pmim plagiarizing Illario/happy, who was a wolf in my game, but I found this advice pretty good nonethelesslucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:56 pm A few things I wanna say before we get started for those of you who don’t know. Champs, particularly in qualifiers is incredibly scumsided. The current stats are 54 wolf wins to 19 town wins for qualifiers. Not only that but from what I know there has only ever been one town sweep in qualifier game for champs, and my goal is for us to be the second . Few things I’ve picked up from that game and previous champs games this year that I think might be important for us to incorporate and areas where I picked up previous towns went wrong
-This point may already be obvious to some but : the most important thing you can do as a villager is make yourself an obvious villager. The last town that swept was led by Jjj/spf and they encouraged a playstyle that focussed heavily on finding other townies first before hunting for wolves and the best way to facilitate that is by making yourself an obvious townie and taking yourself out of the miselimination pool and working with open communication to find other townies. Champs by nature encourages a glory hunting playstyle where people want to be the one who catches wolves before everyone and be the one to bury wolves but the most successful towns have always been the ones that focussed more on working with each other and finding other townies before trying to bury wolves. If we can all do our part to raise the bar of towniness wolves will eventually out themselves and either be forced to push obvious townies and further out themselves, bus each other or just give up and lolcat.
- if the game starts too feel too easy it probably means there’s something wrong. The stats don’t lie, this is favored for wolves which means it’s not supposed to be easy for us. People often go for the easiest/least accountable votes on d1 but keep in mind wolves have teammates and I’ve rarely seen wolves bus hard d1 in champs. So if the entire lobby is dogpiling on one or two slots d1 don’t get complacent because we could be way off.
"Clear" is a strong word. I wouldn't call anyone in the game "clear". Those three reflect the earliest blossoms of town reads for me, however, and that meets my Day 0 standard. Lucy, for example, has fallen into an archetype that has, in my experience, proven to be a quite reliable town tell (not infallible, but plenty solid). She is a new player to forum Mafia, and she is in a new environment filled with strangers who carry reputations in their wake, and she still strikes me as comfortable, engaged, and motivated. She appears ready to try to make her mark on the game, and it has been pretty rare for me to see that kind of attitude in the past from mafia-aligned players in circumstances like hers.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:54 pmI have 0 people I'd consider clear enough to call them part of my squad - I have a light townread on Falcon and that's mostly it. You have three.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:06 pm lucy
Boquise
Seanzie
decent squad for Day 0. everybody get in my squad. show me your vip squad passes
What are you seeing that I don't?
Making people defensive and emotional is a good way of both finding and executing scum.Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:33 pm Regarding the "not say your wolf leans on D0" thing I asked Creature about. I mentioned that there are some reasons and given Creature has now replied, I will say mine.
Scum reads tend to make people defensive/emotional. Since D0 seems to be jokish, I reckon it could from one perspective ruin the "chill phase" and from another perspective, give scum hints on how to act accordingly.
I am not really pro hiding thoughts, but I think it is better to focus on town reads. I did have a dude on my ol' homesite who was great at sniffing out scum in our N1 phases tho (we had N1 starting before D1 and open night chat for everyone) by just looking at how players acted, if they were nervous etc.
Creature's response is lol and creature-esque. I'm not really satisfied, but it is D0 so!
Sure. Is Seanzie the one you're balking at? Boq and Lucy I feel good about so far, Seanzie I don't have a lean on either way. So if you and JJJ are reading him differently that'll be interesting. (And if I'm wrong and it's not Seanzie you're thinking of, then we probably disagree on Boq or Lucy, which is interesting in a different way).EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:49 pm Hey Nate.
Can I get you to take a look at JJJ's three clears and gimme your opinion on them?
I've played with a lot of players who come from chat mafia - they are almost always chatty and comfortable in that chattiness, regardless of alignment. I think the fact that Lucy is refusing to make reads and is just talking about TV shows means that I'd expect her to be comfortable even if she was a wolf.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:00 pm"Clear" is a strong word. I wouldn't call anyone in the game "clear". Those three reflect the earliest blossoms of town reads for me, however, and that meets my Day 0 standard. Lucy, for example, has fallen into an archetype that has, in my experience, proven to be a quite reliable town tell (not infallible, but plenty solid). She is a new player to forum Mafia, and she is in a new environment filled with strangers who carry reputations in their wake, and she still strikes me as comfortable, engaged, and motivated. She appears ready to try to make her mark on the game, and it has been pretty rare for me to see that kind of attitude in the past from mafia-aligned players in circumstances like hers.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:54 pmI have 0 people I'd consider clear enough to call them part of my squad - I have a light townread on Falcon and that's mostly it. You have three.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:06 pm lucy
Boquise
Seanzie
decent squad for Day 0. everybody get in my squad. show me your vip squad passes
What are you seeing that I don't?
Whaddya like about Captain Falcon?
Sometimes I wonder how much of your posting is a joke and how much isn't.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:49 pm Just so I am clear, with all this talk of Champs and stuff. I havent accidentally entered a champs game have I?
Pretty sure I havent, just need to make sure because its early and you're all doing my head in with this champs talk
Just assume every post of his is a joke and you should be fine 90% of the time.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:08 pmSometimes I wonder how much of your posting is a joke and how much isn't.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:49 pm Just so I am clear, with all this talk of Champs and stuff. I havent accidentally entered a champs game have I?
Pretty sure I havent, just need to make sure because its early and you're all doing my head in with this champs talk
I am quite relaxed, tho you have me at a disadvantage...do I know you under a different name?Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:22 pmYou're quite more jokish than in your quali. Albeit i have only D1 so far tbhfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:57 pmOK, but it'll cost ya.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:55 pmPlease tell me more, falcon. Tell me everything.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:54 pm JJJ and Sean doing a cute lil' dance around each other here.
69% chance one of em' is Maf
If you're good at something, never do it for free
Are you feeling more relaxed or something? Considering this isn't a high stakes game tbh
How old are you? I just want to make sure I am reading you rightEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I have turned into one of those "But how do you really feel" players.
How.
Just passed my 9th century.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:12 pmHow old are you? I just want to make sure I am reading you rightEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I have turned into one of those "But how do you really feel" players.
How.
That was a serious question. I dont know how these things work. Then after I posted it I remembered Ender telling me they were invite so it looks dumb but I just forget thingsAlison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:08 pmSometimes I wonder how much of your posting is a joke and how much isn't.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:49 pm Just so I am clear, with all this talk of Champs and stuff. I havent accidentally entered a champs game have I?
Pretty sure I havent, just need to make sure because its early and you're all doing my head in with this champs talk
Fair enough.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I've played with a lot of players who come from chat mafia - they are almost always chatty and comfortable in that chattiness, regardless of alignment. I think the fact that Lucy is refusing to make reads and is just talking about TV shows means that I'd expect her to be comfortable even if she was a wolf.
I townread her for a post she made afterwards where she asked Seanzie about his age. I think her worrying about adjusting her perspective on his tone based on his age was a sincere thought, and it's not something that many people, especially forum mafia newbies, would think to fake. It reflects a desire to get things right, which I guess is sorta close to what you said about her wanting to make a mark. I'm with you on Lucy right now.
My read on Boquise is deeply spiritual. I gleaned it from the garnet crystal I keep next to my bed. Boq and I have a somewhat unique experience to draw from, and it's a single game (champs, season 7, semifinal 3). Boq had less than a good time in that game, and it kind of became a standard bearer for him as a descriptor of his "town self-worth". Just given what happened in that game and the conversations I have had with Boq since, I have a decently developed mental concept of what town Boq ought to look like in our next game. And I think he is starting this one in decent alignment with that mental concept. He seeks to put his turbulence behind him and solve the cot-damned game. At least that's my initial impression.
Cool beans. I am not sure that I agree with the premise, but before I go arguing I will think about it and see falcon's play develop.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pmRe: falcon, I think if he was mafia and said the line about there being one wolf between you and Seanzie, it would have been intentionally made to throw shade on you - but he backs off it relatively quickly and plays it off as a joke, which suggests he isn't really interested in pushing that narrative. Nothing out of the realm of fakeability, but it's enough for a townlean on page 2.
See I dont know these things! Now I do
How we feel is important, Ender. Never be afraid to ask how we feel.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I have turned into one of those "But how do you really feel" players.
How.
I put down a phantom vote on you less than 10 pages into the game.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:16 pmYou know, I KNEW going into this game you would focus me. This is going to be fun. HAHAHAH
No but your opening is exactly how I expected it to be, I called it early and I like being right.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:18 pmI put down a phantom vote on you less than 10 pages into the game.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:16 pmYou know, I KNEW going into this game you would focus me. This is going to be fun. HAHAHAH
Does that feel like being focused to you?
How sweet.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:17 pmHow we feel is important, Ender. Never be afraid to ask how we feel.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I have turned into one of those "But how do you really feel" players.
How.
Where did you call it?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:20 pmNo but your opening is exactly how I expected it to be, I called it early and I like being right.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:18 pmI put down a phantom vote on you less than 10 pages into the game.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:16 pmYou know, I KNEW going into this game you would focus me. This is going to be fun. HAHAHAH
Does that feel like being focused to you?
how does a trust fall sound?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:21 pmHow sweet.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:17 pmHow we feel is important, Ender. Never be afraid to ask how we feel.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I have turned into one of those "But how do you really feel" players.
How.
But tbh I've already been called out for it:
I don't actually sus your list, I just wanted to see what happened if I insinuated I did.
I think I mostly like Boq/JJJ a s my little town.
I'm wary of trusting Lucy because tone doesn't do a lot for me from chattier players and I don't think she'll struggle with that, my reservation is held until I see her talk about reads.
Falcon is rand but more rand!town so I'll agree with that.
I hold my thoughts on Seanzie.
Rondo is mildly in his townsphere but that's tentative and early so don't trust it.
I didn't notice him calling it anywhere in the thread so I was wondering if he said it in the mafia chat and slipped that he did lol.
I have tried reading this four or five times and every time I start I cant be bothered finishing it. Ear marked for laterJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:17 pmFair enough.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I've played with a lot of players who come from chat mafia - they are almost always chatty and comfortable in that chattiness, regardless of alignment. I think the fact that Lucy is refusing to make reads and is just talking about TV shows means that I'd expect her to be comfortable even if she was a wolf.
I townread her for a post she made afterwards where she asked Seanzie about his age. I think her worrying about adjusting her perspective on his tone based on his age was a sincere thought, and it's not something that many people, especially forum mafia newbies, would think to fake. It reflects a desire to get things right, which I guess is sorta close to what you said about her wanting to make a mark. I'm with you on Lucy right now.
It's plausible that a player like lucy enters the forum experience with an inherently broad "range", a la the EpicMafia crew. We seem to agree where it counts.
My read on Boquise is deeply spiritual. I gleaned it from the garnet crystal I keep next to my bed. Boq and I have a somewhat unique experience to draw from, and it's a single game (champs, season 7, semifinal 3). Boq had less than a good time in that game, and it kind of became a standard bearer for him as a descriptor of his "town self-worth". Just given what happened in that game and the conversations I have had with Boq since, I have a decently developed mental concept of what town Boq ought to look like in our next game. And I think he is starting this one in decent alignment with that mental concept. He seeks to put his turbulence behind him and solve the cot-damned game. At least that's my initial impression.
I don't have quite as much to say about Seanzie. I have a playing personality that I associate with him (I might describe it as assertive inquisitor), and in that character he has looked generally similar so far here to other town versions of him I have seen. If I made a big pretty rainbow list, perhaps Seanzie's green is a bit duller than lucy's or Boq's.
Cool beans. I am not sure that I agree with the premise, but before I go arguing I will think about it and see falcon's play develop.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pmRe: falcon, I think if he was mafia and said the line about there being one wolf between you and Seanzie, it would have been intentionally made to throw shade on you - but he backs off it relatively quickly and plays it off as a joke, which suggests he isn't really interested in pushing that narrative. Nothing out of the realm of fakeability, but it's enough for a townlean on page 2.
Smart man :think:EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:21 pmHow sweet.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:17 pmHow we feel is important, Ender. Never be afraid to ask how we feel.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I have turned into one of those "But how do you really feel" players.
How.
But tbh I've already been called out for it:
I don't actually sus your list, I just wanted to see what happened if I insinuated I did.
I think I mostly like Boq/JJJ a s my little town.
I'm wary of trusting Lucy because tone doesn't do a lot for me from chattier players and I don't think she'll struggle with that, my reservation is held until I see her talk about reads.
Falcon is rand but more rand!town so I'll agree with that.
I hold my thoughts on Seanzie.
Rondo is mildly in his townsphere but that's tentative and early so don't trust it.
JJJ often has early TRs, no? Is it the fact he has TRs, or the players he's TRing?Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:54 pmI have 0 people I'd consider clear enough to call them part of my squad - I have a light townread on Falcon and that's mostly it. You have three.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:06 pm lucy
Boquise
Seanzie
decent squad for Day 0. everybody get in my squad. show me your vip squad passes
What are you seeing that I don't?
This. I was going to open the game by asking you "Should we get this over quickly?" and vote myself but the RULES say I CANTAlison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:21 pmWhere did you call it?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:20 pmNo but your opening is exactly how I expected it to be, I called it early and I like being right.Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:18 pmI put down a phantom vote on you less than 10 pages into the game.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:16 pmYou know, I KNEW going into this game you would focus me. This is going to be fun. HAHAHAH
Does that feel like being focused to you?
The fact that he has three in a gamestate that I found difficult to parse/extract easy reads from.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:25 pmJJJ often has early TRs, no? Is it the fact he has TRs, or the players he's TRing?Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:54 pmI have 0 people I'd consider clear enough to call them part of my squad - I have a light townread on Falcon and that's mostly it. You have three.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:06 pm lucy
Boquise
Seanzie
decent squad for Day 0. everybody get in my squad. show me your vip squad passes
What are you seeing that I don't?
Is your TR on my slot based off just the one post you quoted, or is there something more?