The Syndicate

me and nook would be an op scum team, can’t read either of us d1

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:31 pm @Alison was I ignored in asking you of Nook thoughts or did I miss it?

I have no read on Nook. He is doing his usual gimmick.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:29 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:24 pm Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm me and nook would be an op scum team, can’t read either of us d1

We'd get swept lmao

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:29 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:24 pm Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm me and nook would be an op scum team, can’t read either of us d1

We'd get swept lmao

lol

I work with others all the time.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:20 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

The more I think about it the more I realize that there is no fucking way you are scumreading me in good faith for making bold claims and arguing them to the bitter end. You have interacted with me in politics chat, mafia spectator chat, and within mafia games. I have never once backed down on a position or accepted anything other than cold absolutism. It is simply unbelievable for you to think it is >rand wolf for me to tell Wilgy he does not know what ego is.

Good point, you do it in spec chat. I don't recall if you do it as town or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I think specifically the point that "wilgy doesn't know what ego is" is the poor logic jump you made in your original post. It's probably wrong, and even if it's right, Wilgy making one inaccurate observation about your ego isn't sufficient to make that claim. That's the point I still have a qualm with.

He made an observation that would only be coherent if he did not know what efo is. Simple as.

At what point, does the strongarm break? Is it when you are voting by yourself?

We are being hung up what is and isn't a perception of ego, and I don't even feel that is AI so what is the point?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:20 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

The more I think about it the more I realize that there is no fucking way you are scumreading me in good faith for making bold claims and arguing them to the bitter end. You have interacted with me in politics chat, mafia spectator chat, and within mafia games. I have never once backed down on a position or accepted anything other than cold absolutism. It is simply unbelievable for you to think it is >rand wolf for me to tell Wilgy he does not know what ego is.

Good point, you do it in spec chat. I don't recall if you do it as town or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I think specifically the point that "wilgy doesn't know what ego is" is the poor logic jump you made in your original post. It's probably wrong, and even if it's right, Wilgy making one inaccurate observation about your ego isn't sufficient to make that claim. That's the point I still have a qualm with.

He made an observation that would only be coherent if he did not know what efo is. Simple as.

At what point, does the strongarm break? Is it when you are voting by yourself?

We are being hung up what is and isn't a perception of ego, and I don't even feel that is AI so what is the point?

you are being stress tested

fucking biden cancelled student debt a few years too early

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:20 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

The more I think about it the more I realize that there is no fucking way you are scumreading me in good faith for making bold claims and arguing them to the bitter end. You have interacted with me in politics chat, mafia spectator chat, and within mafia games. I have never once backed down on a position or accepted anything other than cold absolutism. It is simply unbelievable for you to think it is >rand wolf for me to tell Wilgy he does not know what ego is.

Good point, you do it in spec chat. I don't recall if you do it as town or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I think specifically the point that "wilgy doesn't know what ego is" is the poor logic jump you made in your original post. It's probably wrong, and even if it's right, Wilgy making one inaccurate observation about your ego isn't sufficient to make that claim. That's the point I still have a qualm with.

He made an observation that would only be coherent if he did not know what efo is. Simple as.

At what point, does the strongarm break? Is it when you are voting by yourself?

We are being hung up what is and isn't a perception of ego, and I don't even feel that is AI so what is the point?

you are being stress tested

Seems so. I have seen pro town Alison for the last page at least.

I was hoping to see a line of conclusion before pointing out that's what this seems like though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:34 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:29 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:24 pm Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:34 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:29 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:24 pm Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)


I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:54 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:34 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:29 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:24 pm Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)


I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe

Fair take on Jay + Marmot.

I was mostly talking about Alison re: the ego thing, about why itès important re: wilgy and why this is even a thing but then lucy in the sky with diamonds said stress test and im like ok yeah can kinda see that i guess.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:20 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

The more I think about it the more I realize that there is no fucking way you are scumreading me in good faith for making bold claims and arguing them to the bitter end. You have interacted with me in politics chat, mafia spectator chat, and within mafia games. I have never once backed down on a position or accepted anything other than cold absolutism. It is simply unbelievable for you to think it is >rand wolf for me to tell Wilgy he does not know what ego is.

Good point, you do it in spec chat. I don't recall if you do it as town or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I think specifically the point that "wilgy doesn't know what ego is" is the poor logic jump you made in your original post. It's probably wrong, and even if it's right, Wilgy making one inaccurate observation about your ego isn't sufficient to make that claim. That's the point I still have a qualm with.

He made an observation that would only be coherent if he did not know what efo is. Simple as.

Hard disagree

I don't know why alison argues a lot of the stuff she does and it doesn't really matter to me

im slightly upset than that marmot is wasting his vote on me rn rather than voting Alison, i found it odd he isnt, maybe he doesnt want too eliminate a possible pairing early aka him and alison early on as scum which would be smart and kinda explains the vote on me more.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:05 pm I don't know why alison argues a lot of the stuff she does and it doesn't really matter to me

LOL fair enough.

Fuggin Lucy distracted me and now I'm just thinking about politics and economics.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:05 pm im slightly upset than that marmot is wasting his vote on me rn rather than voting Alison, i found it odd he isnt, maybe he doesnt want too eliminate a possible pairing early aka him and alison early on as scum which would be smart and kinda explains the vote on me more.

This is actually why im voting you lol, expressing sadness to get others to do a thing you want them to do.

You did the same thing when you expressed sadness to falcon because he hasn't changed his pfp.

You also did it when you used sad panda emotes to get nook to work with you


It's a form of AtE that is perfectly acceptable, but imo manipulative.

Uh oh I killed the thread

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:12 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:05 pm im slightly upset than that marmot is wasting his vote on me rn rather than voting Alison, i found it odd he isnt, maybe he doesnt want too eliminate a possible pairing early aka him and alison early on as scum which would be smart and kinda explains the vote on me more.

This is actually why im voting you lol, expressing sadness to get others to do a thing you want them to do.

You did the same thing when you expressed sadness to falcon because he hasn't changed his pfp.

You also did it when you used sad panda emotes to get nook to work with you


It's a form of AtE that is perfectly acceptable, but imo manipulative.

When is a manipulative Sparkles just and only a scum Sparkles, when youre good at the manipulation game dont you think id use it as both alignments, have you never seen me manipulate as town before really, its my claim to fame.

Votine me over Alison for this in your POV doesnèt feel very kosher, maybe im onto something.

[VOTE: Marmy] aubergine

There may be two wolves but I have only one vote.

There's two wolves in everyone

Inside me there are two wolves. One wants a sandwich. The other wants a salmon burger. Both wolves are hungry, it's time for lunch.

read the whole thread and have 0 thoughts

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:52 am One of these days I need to make three posts in an entire game and have two of them be gifs.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:31 pm There's two wolves in everyone

one is gay, one is drunk

My two wolves collectively want cheese

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:31 pm why did u vote me @JaggedJimmyJay

You strike me as someone more likely than the average bear to respond readably to a random vote. I'm not sure that has borne fruit though.

Basic sort:

[town read]
DrWilgy
Sabiplz
Marmot

[town lean]
Alison
falconf5ca

---POE---

Esooa
outed wolf
Nanook
lucy
MissSparkles

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:16 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:31 pm why did u vote me @JaggedJimmyJay

You strike me as someone more likely than the average bear to respond readably to a random vote. I'm not sure that has borne fruit though.

The question is, do I feel the same about your response to my (seemingly) random vote on you?




No, I do not.




I think there's an above average chance your scum this game. Let's call it a 68% chance

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:21 pm Basic sort:

[town read]
DrWilgy
Sabiplz
Marmot

[town lean]
Alison
falconf5ca

---POE---

Esooa
outed wolf
Nanook
lucy
MissSparkles

Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:42 pm When is a manipulative Sparkles just and only a scum Sparkles, when youre good at the manipulation game dont you think id use it as both alignments, have you never seen me manipulate as town before really, its my claim to fame.

Votine me over Alison for this in your POV doesnèt feel very kosher, maybe im onto something.

[VOTE: Marmy] aubergine

To ensure I understand: does this imply that Marmot's assertion that you were being manipulative was accurate? Alignment aside.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:16 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:31 pm why did u vote me @JaggedJimmyJay

You strike me as someone more likely than the average bear to respond readably to a random vote. I'm not sure that has borne fruit though.

The question is, do I feel the same about your response to my (seemingly) random vote on you?

No, I do not.

I think there's an above average chance your scum this game. Let's call it a 68% chance

You're gonna need to talk about your gripes.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:22 pm Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

Sure. The POE group is largely comprised of folks for whom I don't have some degree of town read. My most concrete suspicion would be on Sparkles, whose posts strike me as inauthentic at points. Nanook's reads are weird. lucy has started this game less engaged than I recall seeing in the previous mountainous game or Halvosen Ridge.

GTH I think falcon's handling of recent pressure has been decent. He at least seems authentic. I grant that his meta is not one I entirely understand, so I tend to leave that alone with him at this point.

To expand a little on some of my prior Alison commentary:

I think that she must be interpreted for motivation (at least before results-based assessment via flips can provide additional insight), because her principled strategies and application of her views of logic to the game are going to be consistent and generally unrevealing. For her to turn the day into a combative thunderdomy mess, ham-fisting the "murder falcon" narrative wouldn't be especially productive on its own power unless falcon is exactly mafia; indeed, it'd even remind me of Halvosen Ridge Day 1 between her and Rondo (both mafia).

Alison's handling of this incident was considerably more nuanced and more balanced, in that she seemed to understand and intend the greater function of her attacks -- to turn the game thread into something pro-town regardless of falcon. This is the kind of thing I think she associates with MacDougall, validly, and I have behaved similarly in many past games. As soon as folks began to interact with her calls to murder falcon [and then her if he flips green etc], she took inventory (e.g., #240) and morphed it into different reads (e.g., #267, #330) stemming directly from that origin combat. I think that's a nice sign.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:22 pm Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

Sure. The POE group is largely comprised of folks for whom I don't have some degree of town read. My most concrete suspicion would be on Sparkles, whose posts strike me as inauthentic at points. Nanook's reads are weird. lucy has started this game less engaged than I recall seeing in the previous mountainous game or Halvosen Ridge.

kinda silly to expect to read a freshly converted chat mafia to be read by engagement and post count

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:22 pm Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

Sure. The POE group is largely comprised of folks for whom I don't have some degree of town read. My most concrete suspicion would be on Sparkles, whose posts strike me as inauthentic at points. Nanook's reads are weird. lucy has started this game less engaged than I recall seeing in the previous mountainous game or Halvosen Ridge.

kinda silly to expect to read a freshly converted chat mafia to be read by engagement and post count

It's D1, how do you expect him to make his reads?

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:22 pm Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

Sure. The POE group is largely comprised of folks for whom I don't have some degree of town read. My most concrete suspicion would be on Sparkles, whose posts strike me as inauthentic at points. Nanook's reads are weird. lucy has started this game less engaged than I recall seeing in the previous mountainous game or Halvosen Ridge.

kinda silly to expect to read a freshly converted chat mafia to be read by engagement and post count

It would be better to describe it as the absence of a read. I have very little impression of you right now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:22 pm Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

Sure. The POE group is largely comprised of folks for whom I don't have some degree of town read. My most concrete suspicion would be on Sparkles, whose posts strike me as inauthentic at points. Nanook's reads are weird. lucy has started this game less engaged than I recall seeing in the previous mountainous game or Halvosen Ridge.

kinda silly to expect to read a freshly converted chat mafia to be read by engagement and post count

It would be better to describe it as the absence of a read. I have very little impression of you right now.

that is the intentional impression I give d1 lmao, so why do u have me in poe instead of null

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:22 pm Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

Sure. The POE group is largely comprised of folks for whom I don't have some degree of town read. My most concrete suspicion would be on Sparkles, whose posts strike me as inauthentic at points. Nanook's reads are weird. lucy has started this game less engaged than I recall seeing in the previous mountainous game or Halvosen Ridge.

kinda silly to expect to read a freshly converted chat mafia to be read by engagement and post count

You have played. Plenty of forum games at this point to pull that card

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:54 pm that is the intentional impression I give d1 lmao, so why do u have me in poe instead of null

Null IS POE. The target number of town reads is five, and the rest fall under the line.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:54 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:22 pm Can ya give me a couple quick points on Nook, Sparkles & lucy?

Sure. The POE group is largely comprised of folks for whom I don't have some degree of town read. My most concrete suspicion would be on Sparkles, whose posts strike me as inauthentic at points. Nanook's reads are weird. lucy has started this game less engaged than I recall seeing in the previous mountainous game or Halvosen Ridge.

kinda silly to expect to read a freshly converted chat mafia to be read by engagement and post count

You have played. Plenty of forum games at this point to pull that card

that's why I said freshly converted instead of new, do you disagree with that statement?
the card is that I'm a chat mafia player able to hyper post or minimum post without it being AI

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:54 pm that is the intentional impression I give d1 lmao, so why do u have me in poe instead of null

Null IS POE. The target number of town reads is five, and the rest fall under the line.

ah, also ur at 50 posts and it's just started, I'd slow down

Speaking of that, I never thought I'd get to type this sentence:

@DrWilgy be wary of the post cap.

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:54 pm that is the intentional impression I give d1 lmao, so why do u have me in poe instead of null

Null IS POE. The target number of town reads is five, and the rest fall under the line.

ah, also ur at 50 posts and it's just started, I'd slow down

"Please don't solve me JJJ, be careful of your post count!"


[VOTE: lucy] aubergine