Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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You okay? Did you get lost during catch up!Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:36 pm Hey folks, just posting before I go back and check in. Had some anxiety last night and went to bed early instead of coming in and playing. So now I get to catch up. Fun. Luckily you are a quieter bunch and I don't have 20 gazillion posts to read.
Oh cool you do have reasonsNeon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 amRight but I didn't think you actually wanted to know. And my vote was initially a pressure vote.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:56 amI asked you why you were voting him before and you said it was because it's fun, and because you disagree with me.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:31 amI can very easily articulate a reason why I believe Dennis is scum but would you actually listen? Or am I wasting my breath?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:51 pmNeon doesn't really believe the read because frankly the idea that she's in need of discrediting makes no sense.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:01 pmSo do you think Mac is trying to discredit town leaders or do you think he's just arrived at this solve? Or are you going for the wombo combo where he's discrediting leaders, which involves pushing his partner, sig?Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:29 pm Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.
It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.
With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...
This last sentence has given too much ambiguity (is that the right word)
Think about where her mindset was at prior to me outing my real read.
Mac lock town most obvious town in the game.
Aside from that she was doing very little aside from jokingly claiming mafia when pressured and voting you ... because she didn't agree with my read on you. Which isn't a good enough reason to vote but that's not my point.
She was not in a position where I would need to discredit her. The idea that I decided abruptly to switch my read on someone who, if I was mafia and they are town, I have them hoodwinked entirely, doesn't make sense as a move to be discrediting her... in actuality it doesn't make sense as a wolf move at all.
To clarify the reality, Neon tried to pocket me. I let them believe that it had worked so that I could make associative reads. If I did this to a town, me doing that is more in my town meta than scum meta and given Neon had me as so obvious town as to joke about how obvious I was, switching to scumreading me for something like this is not towny at all.
If you (Dennis) were suspicious enough for her to have been able to articulate a reason to suspect you beyond I disagree with Mac hence I'm voting, then I could humour she thinks I'm concerned that she will single handedly get you over, my wolf teammate Dennis. But you and I both know that we are not wolf teammates lol.
Kinda think I'm wasting my breath.
Given I have already asked, why would you think I'd not be interested?
If you had a real reason, why didn't you say it when I asked the first time?
But see since than Dennis has gradually confirmed my suspicions.
I think Dennis' reads are weak. I don't think he actually believes them. I know Dennis is capable of articulate posts describing his PoV as town. I know Dennis is capable of reads with nuance. I've tried to get Dennis to expand and he's flat out refused or said he can't expand which feels fake to me. It feels like Dennis is flowing through the state of the thread and trying to blend in.
For instance his read on kate was weak and followed the general flow of the thread where Kate was being generally TRd.
His vote on me only came after the flow of the thread wrt me switched and multiple people who had been silent in my slot or flat out lying about their read on me started to sus me.
Further Dennis' memey personality helps vacant, flat. Kinda forced when he does do it but almost missing overall. Like I tend to meme less and post less gifs when I'm wolf because I'm aware that it draws undue attention to me and flat out pisses some people off.
Hmm okay nevermind my previous post I guessNeon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
You have no idea how you just warmed my little mommy heartDennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:44 amOh cool you do have reasonsNeon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 amRight but I didn't think you actually wanted to know. And my vote was initially a pressure vote.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:56 amI asked you why you were voting him before and you said it was because it's fun, and because you disagree with me.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:31 amI can very easily articulate a reason why I believe Dennis is scum but would you actually listen? Or am I wasting my breath?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:51 pmNeon doesn't really believe the read because frankly the idea that she's in need of discrediting makes no sense.Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:01 pmSo do you think Mac is trying to discredit town leaders or do you think he's just arrived at this solve? Or are you going for the wombo combo where he's discrediting leaders, which involves pushing his partner, sig?Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:29 pm Hmmm... Mac might be wolf.
It's not a perfect read but it is one I've used before where wolfs try to discredit the top posters in a game and throw suspicion on to them to prevent their thread control and change the direction of the thread.
With Mac throwing sus on Sig and me he's pushing the 2 top posters in this game and I know he's just wrong on me. The problem lies in that I think he's right on Sig...
This last sentence has given too much ambiguity (is that the right word)
Think about where her mindset was at prior to me outing my real read.
Mac lock town most obvious town in the game.
Aside from that she was doing very little aside from jokingly claiming mafia when pressured and voting you ... because she didn't agree with my read on you. Which isn't a good enough reason to vote but that's not my point.
She was not in a position where I would need to discredit her. The idea that I decided abruptly to switch my read on someone who, if I was mafia and they are town, I have them hoodwinked entirely, doesn't make sense as a move to be discrediting her... in actuality it doesn't make sense as a wolf move at all.
To clarify the reality, Neon tried to pocket me. I let them believe that it had worked so that I could make associative reads. If I did this to a town, me doing that is more in my town meta than scum meta and given Neon had me as so obvious town as to joke about how obvious I was, switching to scumreading me for something like this is not towny at all.
If you (Dennis) were suspicious enough for her to have been able to articulate a reason to suspect you beyond I disagree with Mac hence I'm voting, then I could humour she thinks I'm concerned that she will single handedly get you over, my wolf teammate Dennis. But you and I both know that we are not wolf teammates lol.
Kinda think I'm wasting my breath.
Given I have already asked, why would you think I'd not be interested?
If you had a real reason, why didn't you say it when I asked the first time?
But see since than Dennis has gradually confirmed my suspicions.
I think Dennis' reads are weak. I don't think he actually believes them. I know Dennis is capable of articulate posts describing his PoV as town. I know Dennis is capable of reads with nuance. I've tried to get Dennis to expand and he's flat out refused or said he can't expand which feels fake to me. It feels like Dennis is flowing through the state of the thread and trying to blend in.
For instance his read on kate was weak and followed the general flow of the thread where Kate was being generally TRd.
His vote on me only came after the flow of the thread wrt me switched and multiple people who had been silent in my slot or flat out lying about their read on me started to sus me.
Further Dennis' memey personality helps vacant, flat. Kinda forced when he does do it but almost missing overall. Like I tend to meme less and post less gifs when I'm wolf because I'm aware that it draws undue attention to me and flat out pisses some people off.
I am never ever confident on D1 about my reads. They will always, and have always come off as hedgy or weak or whatever other synonyms I can't think of. I always feel like I need more time or more posts and I can't come to a conclusion quick so it bothers me when people tell me I'm being hedgy
My read on kate was weak because I'm scared of her lol. I mean yeah I believe I have a pretty good chance of being right but I know what she's capable of as wolf so I'm not full clearing her on D1. I guess what I should have said was "I'm not voting Kate today" or something like that but I for some reason feel like my opinion on Kate specifically had to be out there because of the whole "soul read" thing I think we have
I very rarely vote early in days and I even more rarely vote early D1. I don't know if I even have and my vote on you following thread state is probably a combination of following the people I trust, a sr on you and me thinking "I should probably vote soon". So I guess I am blending a little bit I don't exactly mean to
Shrug emoji to this one, all I can really say is I feel like my personality is showing through MUCH more than my wolf games if you look those through
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
Hmm... This is a good observation.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amNeon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:56 pmI'm hoping we can put the list thing to bed. Sig, who I suspected, suddenly wanted to look at low posters. I ss'd the low posters (everyone above who I included had 17+ posts which wasn't low at that point). Of the people on the list, the majority were hosts, non players or first time players. THAT WAS EXACTLY the point I was making. Why did sig want to jump to looking to low posters and to make it worse, there weren't really any low posters to look at...DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:49 pm @MacDougall yeah I think he's town. His tone is that of having fun, which wouldn't exist if they were wolf. Also these two posts seem very much in line with his town modus operandi
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:47 pm Dennis is town, Mac is town.
I'm town.
Almost 1/3rd of the list solved folksfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:53 pmI'm sure there are certain circumstances where it's not, nothing is absolute.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:19 pmNot explicitly. As long as the day is played out if consensus suggests it with a valid reason it's fine.
I don't think you disagree that as a general rule of thumb, D1 slanker lynches are not ideal. And Kate gave a list of 7?
It's absurd to consider lynching within a pool of 7 slankers D1
Ok, but if not Kate then who. How's your PoE looking?
It’s very game based for me.Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:39 amWhen Sig first mentioned looking at low posters, I didn’t think anything much about it. I remembered he mentioned low posters early in the anniversary game (game1), so I assumed he was just one of the players who suspects slankers. I went back through the anniversary game and read his posts. He did mention low posters early, but in the negative, he didn’t think it was good to look at them so early in the game.Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:56 pm I'm hoping we can put the list thing to bed. Sig, who I suspected, suddenly wanted to look at low posters. I ss'd the low posters (everyone above who I included had 17+ posts which wasn't low at that point). Of the people on the list, the majority were hosts, non players or first time players. THAT WAS EXACTLY the point I was making. Why did sig want to jump to looking to low posters and to make it worse, there weren't really any low posters to look at...
It didn’t really tell me anything, but I am more open to your pov on Sig now.
That’s a good question.
I was thinking something along these lines. I wasn't gonna bring it up until after sig flips if he does, but Neon wrote a ton about why I'm scum, and then switched to sig which to me it felt like she just wanted her vote there for the civ creditfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amNeon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pmSee I'll murder Sig.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:06 pm I'll caveat that with so many slankers I could be wrong easily but I started off thinking that the part where Neon was townreading me and you accused me of Omgus was a weird projection of what she was doing to me. So I decided to townlock her to see if she'd do the expected from a position of feeling confident she had me pocketed ie. shield you and not sheep me. Which she did do. She voted you briefly and got her vote off you asap onto my townread. I got no real doubt Neon is mafia here.
Wilgy is sus outside of this but he agreed with my fake townread on Neon in a very scummy way.
You're actually the one of the 3 reads I'm less confident on but only because twtbw.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
But when I had a gut read it was bullshit?
So if you have a reason to look, and then see one more or two more or 5000 more reasons, all subsequent reasons are worthless?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pmSince it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”
So yes
You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pmSince it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”
So yes
You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:10 pmSo if you have a reason to look, and then see one more or two more or 5000 more reasons, all subsequent reasons are worthless?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pmSince it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”
So yes
You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
It’s reading to me like TMI + fake reasoning.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pmIsn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:04 pmSince it stopped being a gut read to become a “well it’s since he used a no you” to a “well it was a slip that made it”
So yes
You’re finding fake reasons to Reenforce a fake gut read.
Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?
Orange and cranberry are one of my favorite flavor combinations.
ice cream actually. Mint chocolate Viennetta.Sound logic. [VOTE: Daisy] aubergineDennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:17 pmNevermind spacedaisy is bad for maintaining real life relationships and not putting our poll about cake and pie firstSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:26 pmAlas, I made the dreadful mistake of eating dinner and spending time with my husband before finishing my catch up.
I always struggle at the beginning of games and recently find it really difficult to stay engaged in games. It's why I don't play often anymore, so I feel you on the slanker thing. Also, this was the most creative GTH read request I've ever seen and I love it, lol.Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:58 am Sherry, I’m sorry to hear your news. My condolences to you and your family.
Proud slanker here. I’m usually pretty quiet during the first two days, but by day 3, I never seem to stop talking.
I’ve played maybe 7 games in the last 6 years that are not classic games, and it still blows my mind the way people throw votes out so early on day 1. I understand that sometimes the votes are just a way to engage a player and get them to talk, but sometimes it’s not. So I’m going to ask a question (hypothetical situation, actually) and I would really like to hear ppl’s thoughts about it. I understand though, if you would prefer not to discuss this, as it might interfere with your personal strategy. Ok, here goes:
The hosts post that there has been a lice outbreak in the nursery/playroom, and everyone has to go home for the day so the room can be decontaminated. Everyone has 1 hour to either vote or abstain. What would you do?
I’d really like to hear what people would do, but again, I understand if you prefer to keep your thought private.
Honestly, not all the great. While the situation with the original anxiety is mostly resolved and life isn't bad, there is a general malaise that hangs on at the moment. My hormones are probably being little bitches and fucking with me, honestly. Also, the Friday-Monday time frame tends to be when I am doing the most work. I've been pretty buried in work files the last couple days. So it's a little of this, little of that. But it's not a great excuse, because it's unfair to the other players and hosts. Sorry.
Mind meld on this one.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amSee I'll murder Sig.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Mind meld.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:52 amHmm... This is a good observation.
Mind meld.
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:25 pmOrange and cranberry are one of my favorite flavor combinations.
Sound logic. [VOTE: Daisy] aubergineDennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:17 pmNevermind spacedaisy is bad for maintaining real life relationships and not putting our poll about cake and pie firstSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:26 pmAlas, I made the dreadful mistake of eating dinner and spending time with my husband before finishing my catch up.
I always struggle at the beginning of games and recently find it really difficult to stay engaged in games. It's why I don't play often anymore, so I feel you on the slanker thing. Also, this was the most creative GTH read request I've ever seen and I love it, lol.Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:58 am Sherry, I’m sorry to hear your news. My condolences to you and your family.
Proud slanker here. I’m usually pretty quiet during the first two days, but by day 3, I never seem to stop talking.
I’ve played maybe 7 games in the last 6 years that are not classic games, and it still blows my mind the way people throw votes out so early on day 1. I understand that sometimes the votes are just a way to engage a player and get them to talk, but sometimes it’s not. So I’m going to ask a question (hypothetical situation, actually) and I would really like to hear ppl’s thoughts about it. I understand though, if you would prefer not to discuss this, as it might interfere with your personal strategy. Ok, here goes:
The hosts post that there has been a lice outbreak in the nursery/playroom, and everyone has to go home for the day so the room can be decontaminated. Everyone has 1 hour to either vote or abstain. What would you do?
I’d really like to hear what people would do, but again, I understand if you prefer to keep your thought private.
I'm leaning sig or Neon atm.
Honestly, not all the great. While the situation with the original anxiety is mostly resolved and life isn't bad, there is a general malaise that hangs on at the moment. My hormones are probably being little bitches and fucking with me, honestly. Also, the Friday-Monday time frame tends to be when I am doing the most work. I've been pretty buried in work files the last couple days. So it's a little of this, little of that. But it's not a great excuse, because it's unfair to the other players and hosts. Sorry.
Mind meld on this one.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 amSee I'll murder Sig.
But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.
I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.
This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Mind meld.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:52 amHmm... This is a good observation.
Mind meld.
Ok so...
MacDougall is my only solid town read atm. That thing he pulled where he put out fake reads to see the reactions is a frequent town maneuver that I've noticed him doing.
I didn't think anything of the supposed slip that Kate was talking about. However, I do think what Neon said is sus. This combined with the fact that sig seemed like he was poking around trying to see what would stick. My only fear here is that sig has frequently got yeeted day 1 over the years for being weird. But I'm going to go with my gut here because he's the one I feel the most scum lean on. Instead of scum hunting, it felt like he spent the day throwing spaghetti at the wall and discrediting Kate for what looked to me like a normal read progression.
[VOTE: sig] aubergine
I mean, I did just read most of the relevant posts in a sitting, it can give a little perspective. But I'm just doing the best I can with Day 1, there is never much to go on, but you feel like the best bet to me, all things considered. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
Do you have any specific moments where you thought she looked suspicious? Like a specific post that rubbed you the wrong way?SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:44 pm [VOTE: Neon] aubergine
Ok, voting for the first time. Not much to go on, but of the group I will say that Neon glows more guilty than the rest.
What's on the other side?Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:18 pmOh hi!SixStrings wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:08 pm I am here. So checking in. Taking a little time... trying to understand why people voted the way they did so far. I have read the thread. very little relevance to conclude on a vote though.
Question: why are there so many songs about rainbows???
It's also kind of uncool to pile on her when she said she won't be back. But hey, you do you.
