The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:54 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 am i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

Why? It doesn't seem particularly balanced for there to be such a huge disparity in PR numbers. Then again, maybe that's why the other thread was doing better

Also, I would take anything "pyxxy" says with a grain of salt, he cannot corroborate anything and if Alexy was lying about what he said he'd have no recourse but to scream into BTSC

True but it can tell us things about alexy, which seems important.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:22 pm Anyway, if there were two remaining wolves in my thread one of these combinations must be true:

RDB/Abby
RDB/Ranmilia
RDB/tedxtr
Abby/Ranmilia
Abby/tedxtr
Ranmilia/tedxtr

Sadly I can't analyze their ISOs as easily without being able to quote them

From this list, the ones that immediately strike me as unlikely are RDB/tedxtr and Abby/tedxtr. Possibly RDB/Abby too? Although that one appears more mixed than outright unlikely

I noticed this seems to make Ranmilia most likely a wolf, but that may be because I have thus far failed to adequately explore the possibility of teams containing Ranmilia

Notably, Ranmilia and RDB are the main people implicated by the Gira kill, which is something to keep in mind. It's likely at least one is a wolf, granted I think ted/Abby is unlikely anyway

I don't remember tedxtr, RDB, or Abby making any significant pushes on Ranmilia (at least before this day for Abby at least). It's notable because Bereft and Gira did, and they're now dead. EoD votecount still looks bad for RDB though.

So, ranking the teams from most to least likely as I see it at this point:

RDB/Ranmilia
Ranmilia/tedxtr
Abby/Ranmilia
RDB/Abby
Abby/tedxtr
RDB/tedxtr

Occam's razor suggests tedxtr as town mostly because I don't see there being only two town PRs on one side, but there is a clash with Alexy who apparently was at least able to substantiate the claim even if that apparently still has its reservations.

Wish I had my laptop right now so I could really dig into RDB's and Ranmilia's ISOs, but I'll see what I can do. Also wish I could post in the previous thread just to take notes

Wasn't Ranmilia pushing for one in Bereft/Made or something similar? Granted, I was pushing for one in pyxxy/Made

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 am hOI i'm back. parents are visiting. depending on what they want to do i will either be around a lot or not at all... might miss eod, might also just stay up all the way to then, i dunno, whee.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:16 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:04 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?

Likely ted based on private conversation with pyxxy and the contradictory description of their role as mentioned by leetic

The problem, though, is that if ted is a wolf Windward and I are the only town PRs on my side. Given that your side seems to have quite a few, I'm not sure how believable that is.

i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

@Alexy What else has pyxxy been saying?

Pyxxy has said that he believes in you. Also, that mechanical actions performed on one thread appear to have an effect on both threads (I think that's been widely accepted already, but I suppose he wants to remind us) - the TSP kill from your thread is apparently evidence of this. Feel free to ask anything specific if you're worried I'm not relaying his (paraphrased) words!

Although RDB and Ranmilia would have both had to switch to TSP late in the phase when it was no guarantee I would switch to the wagon. I want to believe both wolves weren't bussing, which would suggest one in Abby/ted…

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:44 am So, ranking the teams from most to least likely as I see it at this point:

RDB/Ranmilia
Ranmilia/tedxtr
Abby/Ranmilia
RDB/Abby
Abby/tedxtr
RDB/tedxtr

Disregard, I think it was RDB/Ranmilia I thought was unlikely and not RDB/Abby, and I now remember why

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:49 am Wasn't Ranmilia pushing for one in Bereft/Made or something similar? Granted, I was pushing for one in pyxxy/Made

Indeed I was, and I still don't believe Bereft was town.

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:49 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 am hOI i'm back. parents are visiting. depending on what they want to do i will either be around a lot or not at all... might miss eod, might also just stay up all the way to then, i dunno, whee.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:16 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:04 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?

Likely ted based on private conversation with pyxxy and the contradictory description of their role as mentioned by leetic

The problem, though, is that if ted is a wolf Windward and I are the only town PRs on my side. Given that your side seems to have quite a few, I'm not sure how believable that is.

i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

@Alexy What else has pyxxy been saying?

Pyxxy has said that he believes in you. Also, that mechanical actions performed on one thread appear to have an effect on both threads (I think that's been widely accepted already, but I suppose he wants to remind us) - the TSP kill from your thread is apparently evidence of this. Feel free to ask anything specific if you're worried I'm not relaying his (paraphrased) words!

Well, thanks for the relayed vote of confidence. Is this talking about just the phantom votes, or something else?

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:49 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:35 am hOI i'm back. parents are visiting. depending on what they want to do i will either be around a lot or not at all... might miss eod, might also just stay up all the way to then, i dunno, whee.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:16 am

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:04 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?

Likely ted based on private conversation with pyxxy and the contradictory description of their role as mentioned by leetic

The problem, though, is that if ted is a wolf Windward and I are the only town PRs on my side. Given that your side seems to have quite a few, I'm not sure how believable that is.

i would not advocate reading into PR numbers here.

@Alexy What else has pyxxy been saying?

Pyxxy has said that he believes in you. Also, that mechanical actions performed on one thread appear to have an effect on both threads (I think that's been widely accepted already, but I suppose he wants to remind us) - the TSP kill from your thread is apparently evidence of this. Feel free to ask anything specific if you're worried I'm not relaying his (paraphrased) words!

Sorry for requote - what does he think of your thread from his time there, and what does he think of Abi rn?

Strongest argument against each wolfteam:

RDB/Abby: Abby's switch to RDB late in D4 seriously threatened to bring down RDB and she's been coming in hard against them today.
RDB/Ranmilia: Both would have had to switch to TSP last minute when DizzyMade could have gone down instead.
RDB/tedxtr: tedxtr voted RDB over Made, which nearly resulted in RDB going down; the two other EoD RDB voters are flipped town.
Abby/Ranmilia: Abby hinted at greenchecking Ranmilia but not actually hardclaiming as such
Abby/tedxtr: Lots of fighting especially early in the phase
Ranmilia/tedxtr: Uhh come to think of it, I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

Ranmilia/ted isn't something I considered but it does make a decent amount of sense

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:00 am Ranmilia/ted isn't something I considered but it does make a decent amount of sense

Still, would have the issues with number of PRs. Still, I do not recall Ranmilia ever significantly pushing ted at all.

Although another thing I wonder is, are we operating under multiball here and each team had a chance to kill upon entering this thread? That would make the setup likely 6-2-1, which if we mislynch could turn into 3-2-1 at worst, which is impossible for town to win. If that were true, it would also make the optimal strategy for town snuffing out the lone wolf, otherwise we have to hope wolves crossfire. Still, doesn't seem very likely, even if it would explain the precarious situation we're in.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:17 am Although another thing I wonder is, are we operating under multiball here and each team had a chance to kill upon entering this thread? That would make the setup likely 6-2-1, which if we mislynch could turn into 3-2-1 at worst, which is impossible for town to win. If that were true, it would also make the optimal strategy for town snuffing out the lone wolf, otherwise we have to hope wolves crossfire. Still, doesn't seem very likely, even if it would explain the precarious situation we're in.

TSP was "a dedicated manager at Lumon Industries". If ilario and Brad were the same, it would seem to debunk this theory.

And as a side note, I guess 3-2-1 is possible for town to win by collaborating with the lone wolf, but I'm not sure that's particularly fair since it leads to a prisoner's dilemma-type situation. Still, it's unlikely we're dealing with that.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:41 am I don't remember tedxtr, RDB, or Abby making any significant pushes on Ranmilia (at least before this day for Abby at least). It's notable because Bereft and Gira did, and they're now dead. EoD votecount still looks bad for RDB though.

I've been hard defending Ran so that would be correct for me

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:53 am

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:49 am Wasn't Ranmilia pushing for one in Bereft/Made or something similar? Granted, I was pushing for one in pyxxy/Made

Indeed I was, and I still don't believe Bereft was town.

Okay... this is just always town though lol

Le sigh I'm too tired to grasp this thread

then fire ze missiles

or... take a nap. THEN fire ze missiles.

I'm now officially at the point where I'm going in circles around Abby/RDB/Ranmilia/ted. I'm starting to actually consider going along with the other thread and getting rid of Alexy.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:30 am or... take a nap. THEN fire ze missiles.

I can't I'm at work and I didn't sleep yesterday cause I'm stressed as fuck

;-;

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:42 am I'm now officially at the point where I'm going in circles around Abby/RDB/Ranmilia/ted. I'm starting to actually consider going along with the other thread and getting rid of Alexy.

All I know is I wouldn't kill me

Or ran

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:02 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:30 am or... take a nap. THEN fire ze missiles.

I can't I'm at work and I didn't sleep yesterday cause I'm stressed as fuck

ancient meme reference don't worry about it



i should be interrogating you here but i don't know what to ask that would help.

how would you have played differently if you were a wolf this game?

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:17 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:02 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:30 am or... take a nap. THEN fire ze missiles.

I can't I'm at work and I didn't sleep yesterday cause I'm stressed as fuck

ancient meme reference don't worry about it



i should be interrogating you here but i don't know what to ask that would help.

how would you have played differently if you were a wolf this game?

I wouldn't have killed Mac day 1

Mac is good at reading me if I had him pocketed day 1 I would have abused that I've done it before.

I wouldn't have played in a way that was gonna make me so many enemies

Most of all i would not be trying to push people at all. I struggle with making pushes as mafia and I struggle with TMI

Applying to colleges a an adult is stressing me out. I'm baby who's scared of everything

same and same...

dw about colleges though. it'll be fine. they're not scary.

mac told me not to townread you though. that's a little scary. but that you just drop that like you take for granted that mac townread you is. something.

jack otoh is telling me to chill and things are okay and we should just kill the more sus watcher claim and go from there.

... he did not elaborate on which watcher claim was more sus.

our thread probably overposted and that hurt us. def hurt me. wish the work thread peeps would talk more though. i miss night shift.

Some servers broke today and I got home just now and its 9pm my time so I am just going to bed and Ill take my lunch and catch up closer to EOD

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:42 am same and same...

dw about colleges though. it'll be fine. they're not scary.

Very scary I too old for this shit

no you're not
the older students are consistently the best

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:51 am mac told me not to townread you though. that's a little scary. but that you just drop that like you take for granted that mac townread you is. something.

jack otoh is telling me to chill and things are okay and we should just kill the more sus watcher claim and go from there.

... he did not elaborate on which watcher claim was more sus.

our thread probably overposted and that hurt us. def hurt me. wish the work thread peeps would talk more though. i miss night shift.

Did he? Oops I thought he town read me lol

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:54 am no you're not
the older students are consistently the best

Hope so... I'm finally pursuing my dream...I got talked out of it when I was a teenager and failed out of school doing things I didn't care about cause everyone kept telling me my dream was dumb

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:02 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:51 am mac told me not to townread you though. that's a little scary. but that you just drop that like you take for granted that mac townread you is. something.

jack otoh is telling me to chill and things are okay and we should just kill the more sus watcher claim and go from there.

... he did not elaborate on which watcher claim was more sus.

our thread probably overposted and that hurt us. def hurt me. wish the work thread peeps would talk more though. i miss night shift.

Did he? Oops I thought he town read me lol

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:03 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:54 am no you're not
the older students are consistently the best

Hope so... I'm finally pursuing my dream...I got talked out of it when I was a teenager and failed out of school doing things I didn't care about cause everyone kept telling me my dream was dumb

chase your dreeeeam fam

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:05 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:02 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:51 am mac told me not to townread you though. that's a little scary. but that you just drop that like you take for granted that mac townread you is. something.

jack otoh is telling me to chill and things are okay and we should just kill the more sus watcher claim and go from there.

... he did not elaborate on which watcher claim was more sus.

our thread probably overposted and that hurt us. def hurt me. wish the work thread peeps would talk more though. i miss night shift.

Did he? Oops I thought he town read me lol

Thief!!!

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:07 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:03 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:54 am no you're not
the older students are consistently the best

Hope so... I'm finally pursuing my dream...I got talked out of it when I was a teenager and failed out of school doing things I didn't care about cause everyone kept telling me my dream was dumb

chase your dreeeeam fam

I wanna be a journalist ^^

So am I a wolf?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:15 am So am I a wolf?

no

is this how vibe readers always play

it's so freeing

and also kinda terrifying

but also not that terrifying. so i went back over TSP with flips since then. i'm not sure i can repost my notes because they contain some quotes. wish the rules on that were clearer.

abi is ~90% not with TSP and it has been a true hot minute, by which i mean decade+, since anyone tried to sidle up to me the way she has. the combination of these two things makes me... probably as confident as i'm ever going to get at this point. if you're a wolf goddess you got me.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:42 am is this how vibe readers always play

it's so freeing

As a vibe reader

Yes

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:46 am and also kinda terrifying

Give in to the vibes