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Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:09 pm**

the enemy of my friend is my enemy

so I'm sitting here:

DarlingMonroe
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Voters: Delta, Epignosis, DrWilgy

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:09 pm**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:08 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:07 pm Delta could you remind me when you moved to vote DM? totally understand that you were self-prezzing but I just want do a little timeline reconstruction in my head
I voted DM about uhh. 36 hours in maybe? I'll go grab it but it wasnt a self pres thing at all lol

oh

my apologies

glad I asked

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:10 pm**

well that kinda completely reverses VCA here

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:11 pm**

I mean

I havent been avoiding interacting with you it literally is just a thing of timezones ;_; it's not the easiest to work around

Will stick around a lil longer if you have any questions though

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:13 pm**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:11 pm I mean

I havent been avoiding interacting with you it literally is just a thing of timezones ;_; it's not the easiest to work around

Will stick around a lil longer if you have any questions though

yeah sorry I'll stop saying it it's not helpful

I'm forming a question one sec

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:15 pm**

Working through today with a core of Epi/Pyxxy/Cait and hoping it does not burn me later :,)

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:18 pm**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:11 pm I mean

I havent been avoiding interacting with you it literally is just a thing of timezones ;_; it's not the easiest to work around

Will stick around a lil longer if you have any questions though

idk how much you can answer this but where I'm at currently is about EOD

is Long Con finally sheeping one of my reads after like 3 games NAI? did I just wear down the poor fella? or was it scummy sheeping like what Caitlin says here:

Caitlin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:25 pm [VOTE: delta] aubergine
Hmmm

You're sheeping a bit too much for my liking and your votes also just feel irratic and opportunistic

in the moment I was kinda just glad Long Con finally trusted my reads and didn't think twice about it

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:18 pm**

Man my issue is I read Wilgy's D1 and like

I dont have an issue with him? Like.

I dunno what's stopping me from throwing him in that list really? Had a similar vibe d1 where it's like 'I should probably just town him and I dont know whats preventing that' other than pure gut vibe

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:20 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:21 pm**

ah is it time for me to start tinfoiling wilgy per usual

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:21 pm**

I also kinda forget this is such a small game? I'm kinda here going 'ya everyones fine \o/ what could go wrong we're all friends' instead of being more critical about my reasons to actually townread people ;_;

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:23 pm**

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:18 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:11 pm I mean

I havent been avoiding interacting with you it literally is just a thing of timezones ;_; it's not the easiest to work around

Will stick around a lil longer if you have any questions though
idk how much you can answer this but where I'm at currently is about EOD

is Long Con finally sheeping one of my reads after like 3 games NAI? did I just wear down the poor fella? or was it scummy sheeping like what Caitlin says here:
Caitlin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:25 pm [VOTE: delta] aubergine
Hmmm

You're sheeping a bit too much for my liking and your votes also just feel irratic and opportunistic
in the moment I was kinda just glad Long Con finally trusted my reads and didn't think twice about it

Which kinda ties into this? Since d1 I was like 'I have a reason to call LC town but it's silly and I dont know if I like it'

You mention LC having played the same games as you when it comes to reading DM, do you think he should've picked up on the same things you did over solely sheeping your read there?

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:23 pm**

you're definitely giving out hugs and candy

maybe that's why I've got the weird tummy gurgles about you

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:25 pm**

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:23 pm you're definitely giving out hugs and candy

maybe that's why I've got the weird tummy gurgles about you

d:

the day I stop is the day they've replaced me with a fake Delta

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:26 pm**

I guess I'm kinda just more used to larger playerlists? So there's more space for me to be silly and hand out townreads like this and focus them later over being critical from the word go

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:26 pm**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:23 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:18 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:11 pm I mean

I havent been avoiding interacting with you it literally is just a thing of timezones ;_; it's not the easiest to work around

Will stick around a lil longer if you have any questions though
idk how much you can answer this but where I'm at currently is about EOD

is Long Con finally sheeping one of my reads after like 3 games NAI? did I just wear down the poor fella? or was it scummy sheeping like what Caitlin says here:
Caitlin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:25 pm [VOTE: delta] aubergine
Hmmm

You're sheeping a bit too much for my liking and your votes also just feel irratic and opportunistic
in the moment I was kinda just glad Long Con finally trusted my reads and didn't think twice about it
Which kinda ties into this? Since d1 I was like 'I have a reason to call LC town but it's silly and I dont know if I like it'

You mention LC having played the same games as you when it comes to reading DM, do you think he should've picked up on the same things you did over solely sheeping your read there?

I think I do but I also want to respect that LC is not that similar of a player to me and I have no idea if certain reads are easier to make as a certain kind of person #mafiatheory

but like

haven't seen DM wolf convincingly yet

and similar to how I can get sometimes, town emotion tends to bleed through when she gets going, e.g. EOD situation

which I do maybe want to give credit to LC for seeing but then that's my dilemma, because it seemed more like he explicitly wanted to be following my vote rather than coming around to my argument

but like I said. I've bothered him about chips and pelts for a few games now (out of personal frustration) so like, trying to put that aside

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:27 pm**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:26 pm I guess I'm kinda just more used to larger playerlists? So there's more space for me to be silly and hand out townreads like this and focus them later over being critical from the word go

I do think I like 12+ playerlists too, just keeps things more active

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:27 pm**

putting my head down for some work if it's your bedtime feel free to drift off

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:30 pm**

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:27 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:26 pm I guess I'm kinda just more used to larger playerlists? So there's more space for me to be silly and hand out townreads like this and focus them later over being critical from the word go
I do think I like 12+ playerlists too, just keeps things more active

Yeah exactly \o/ I'm not the best when it comes to silence, weirdly enough

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:32 pm**

Man I need to reread beans mafia ;_;

It's bean (hehe) a little while since that game, but off memory how do you think LC approaches partners as mafia? @pyxxy

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:34 pm**

Taking my current thoughts, that leaves me with SVS/LC as a team

But that doesnt feel right, especially with SVS' limited posting as is & something else that doesn't quite feel like w/w, lemme go grab it

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:35 pm**

wait

was it not LC who posted what I'm after

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:37 pm**

how does one misplace a forum post am I losing it

someone said something like 'if it was anyone else it'd be suspicious but it's not as bad from SVS' am I going insane

I said D1 I was sheeping that read off someone did I just make it up

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:38 pm**

it was a post from Epi crisis averted

Would be worried it's a very early readspost but I dont think SVS posted past that point? (come back to us ;_;)

Ok uh. Maybe disregard that last part about LC/SVS partner things. Will look into it more in the morning?

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:41 pm**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:32 pm Man I need to reread beans mafia ;_;

It's bean (hehe) a little while since that game, but off memory how do you think LC approaches partners as mafia? @pyxxy

the further I get from wolfing with him obv the harder it is to look back on but he made ??? cases and wanted to distance from his partners i.e. me

but he was keen on it right away + falcon being lower posting at the time + me not being so high posting as well meant that I think he felt he needed to Do More ™

if he's got an active partner here, however unlikely, that's maybe where I could solve for scum Long Con in this game. or I guess if less active maybe SVS and wIlgy, although I gotta believe SVS returns at some point and Wilgy's is basically the same as the rest of us, so that's kinda ??? read, I'm not gonna stick with this...

which maybe means I'm just seeing LC as an option but it's not helping me solve anything if that's the case and coming off BotB I thought I've been cooking with associative reads lately so idk about this

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:43 pm**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:38 pm it was a post from Epi crisis averted

Would be worried it's a very early readspost but I dont think SVS posted past that point? (come back to us ;_;)

Ok uh. Maybe disregard that last part about LC/SVS partner things. Will look into it more in the morning?

yeah the longer there's no SVS, the more I don't think LC/SVS makes sense as a team

if we're on the same page

although posting this is begging to lengthen the "absence" if we're wrong

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:53 pm**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:23 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:18 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:11 pm I mean

I havent been avoiding interacting with you it literally is just a thing of timezones ;_; it's not the easiest to work around

Will stick around a lil longer if you have any questions though
idk how much you can answer this but where I'm at currently is about EOD

is Long Con finally sheeping one of my reads after like 3 games NAI? did I just wear down the poor fella? or was it scummy sheeping like what Caitlin says here:
Caitlin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:25 pm [VOTE: delta] aubergine
Hmmm

You're sheeping a bit too much for my liking and your votes also just feel irratic and opportunistic
in the moment I was kinda just glad Long Con finally trusted my reads and didn't think twice about it
Which kinda ties into this? Since d1 I was like 'I have a reason to call LC town but it's silly and I dont know if I like it'

You mention LC having played the same games as you when it comes to reading DM, do you think he should've picked up on the same things you did over solely sheeping your read there?

Unlikely. Like, I sometimes feel mafia-autistic because I just don't think and play like most others. You guys are talking about unpairing, for instance... wouldn't even occur to me to do.

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:55 pm**

Also, I don't, as a rule, remember how anyone played "last game". I really go off gut and cases others make that make sense to me. Sometimes I have inspiration and figure someone out.

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:59 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:53 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:23 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:18 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:11 pm I mean

I havent been avoiding interacting with you it literally is just a thing of timezones ;_; it's not the easiest to work around

Will stick around a lil longer if you have any questions though
idk how much you can answer this but where I'm at currently is about EOD

is Long Con finally sheeping one of my reads after like 3 games NAI? did I just wear down the poor fella? or was it scummy sheeping like what Caitlin says here:
Caitlin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:25 pm [VOTE: delta] aubergine
Hmmm

You're sheeping a bit too much for my liking and your votes also just feel irratic and opportunistic
in the moment I was kinda just glad Long Con finally trusted my reads and didn't think twice about it
Which kinda ties into this? Since d1 I was like 'I have a reason to call LC town but it's silly and I dont know if I like it'

You mention LC having played the same games as you when it comes to reading DM, do you think he should've picked up on the same things you did over solely sheeping your read there?
Unlikely. Like, I sometimes feel mafia-autistic because I just don't think and play like most others. You guys are talking about unpairing, for instance... wouldn't even occur to me to do.

I get you on that \o/ I'm huge on patterns and drawing connections so unpairings kinda fall into place there as well as trends in how people play. Without it seeming too overly meta reliant, I do tend to reference past games but more as a way of illustrating my point than forming the point itself

Antipairings themselves are a part of that since they kinda sever the strings between people, especially in a situation of only 2 mafia where if I can cut enough strings between people, I can clear them and narrow my reads down

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:59 pm**

Which is kinda what I was after yesterday with DM but to no avail ;_;

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:01 pm**

@pyxxy you mentioned yesterday you thought SVS could flip mafia if I did, what sparked that?

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:06 pm**

Hm

If I take my 3 main townreads and set them into a safe lil corner, it leaves me with 2 in Wilgy/SVS/LC

Wilgy/SVS dont work because of how SVS reacted to pressure from Wilgy - felt very reactive, compared to how I expect a wolf would view pressure from a partner which wouldn't be as worried

LC/SVS you talked about earlier, feels vaguely unlikely but nothing solid considering I spent the past few days thinking one of Epi's posts was said by LC x_x

And LC/Wilgy I havent really looked into at all, though I would like to mention that the Falcon NK is probably favorable to them due to Falcon's vote on LC & it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today. Aside from that I honestly couldnt tell you if these work or not off the top of my head ;_;

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:07 pm**

tomorrow issue, zzzz

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:51 pm**

blerp

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:55 pm**

last 48 hours has been a blur. I keep skimming thread and realize I'm not absorbing anything.

My brief thoughts re eod were basically, why Delta? and that I probably would've encouraged a Cait wagon over DM as DM decided to townspew right as I couldn't really be close to thread. Had that been done at any point prior to 3 hours before EoD I wouldn't have voted there.

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:10 pm**

Caitlin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:44 pm Wouldn't yeet:
Epi, Delta, Pyxxy, Falc

Would yeet:
Cait, DM, SVS, LC
Wilgy can defs do more explaining (dont think they explained their earlier readslist?)

But other then that they seem fine so far imo @Long Con

I don't rlly think your interaction is incriminating, but I do get following vibe reads. I just dont have the vibe lol

Earlier readslist are you referring to you, epi and svs that I responded about in the last notification?

Is there anyone in particular you have questions about? Most of it has been meta calls as I've not really had to the focus for assoc.
Epi - felt like they were genuine in advancing the game. Feel a sense of towny frustration following Timelines mafia where wolves were allowed to slank and won.
Delta - feels similar to how they behaved in wolfwalkers and was town there. The one time I've seen W Delta they were far more buddy-buddy.
Pyxxy - in likeness to their play in battle of the bands that just ended. I wolf read Pyxxy that game and was incorrect. I will advise that this is the slot I don't have a w reference for.
Falc - Pretty sure I was clear on this one, even providing reference to delta on the exact post I found setting falc farther from his wolf range.

Cait - wasn't here, while I liked that there was an active effort to push us from rvs, it was also entirely performative.
DM - wasn't here, would've pulled from PoE had I been around when they were.
SVS - wasn't here, didn't really put an effort in to make reads that drive us out of rvs. Reactions to my prods were very null in nature, as if avoiding them.
LC - was here but nothing felt of substance. Their vote for Cait early felt similar to opportunistic sheeping and their suspicion of falcon was lean to the point of me missing it entirely and that being a concern. LC, did clarify that they voiced the suspicion earlier, but even then it wasn't substantial.

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:13 pm**

DarlingMonroe
Voters: Delta, Epignosis, DrWilgy

Delta
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Long Con, pyxxy

Long Con
Voters: falcon45ca

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:16 pm**

Epi's snapshot of the votes before EoD, we'll call this one a mid

Caitlin
Voters: Epignosis, Long Con

DarlingMonroe
Voters: Delta, DrWilgy

Long Con
Voters: DarlingMonroe, falcon45ca

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:24 pm**

Only real immediate thoughts without context is that there is a world where LC OR Delta was saved here, but this would need to be checked against when Epi moved their vote.
i.e. Delta/Epi becomes real if Epi moved to DM after LC/Pyx voted Delta.

LC/EPI don't appear wolf compatible with Cait or each other at a glance, as I don't think they'd just sit together as W/W or sit on their teammate just to bail at last sec, but this is very much lv1, don't put too much into much into this.

missing votes is pain. LC looks relatively bad here. I need to look into when/why LC didn't remain a wagon.

Posted: **Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:27 pm**

LC/Pyxxy seem potentially real, Delta/Epi seem potentially real.

Assoc's are flimsy at best with missing players though. Time to try to catch up.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:11 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:13 pm How come I can bother to post while in line at Space Mountain, and everyone else is MIA?

Some of us are working and not in line at Space Mountain.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:12 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:24 pm Epi is also curious with the No Vote vote.

Placeholder.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:14 am**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:05 pm From recent posting I think I'm more comfortable in calling Cait town.

That's become my current position as well.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:17 am**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:15 pm Working through today with a core of Epi/Pyxxy/Cait and hoping it does not burn me later :,)

Why is pyxxy in that list?

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:29 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:24 pm Only real immediate thoughts without context is that there is a world where LC OR Delta was saved here, but this would need to be checked against when Epi moved their vote.
i.e. Delta/Epi becomes real if Epi moved to DM after LC/Pyx voted Delta.

I moved precisely to save Delta. Delta is the one individual I trusted Day 1.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:09 am**

Long Con, why are you passing the buck so much with your vote?

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:57 am**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:01 pm @pyxxy you mentioned yesterday you thought SVS could flip mafia if I did, what sparked that?

gut solve that made sense that the time, somewhat from relative activity levels between the two of you, rest was just vibes

related update at this point I'm probably going to give SVS my afk townie shield bc this just seems unlike her and I see there's been like 10 posts or something since I left

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:58 am**

Delta wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:06 pm Hm

If I take my 3 main townreads and set them into a safe lil corner, it leaves me with 2 in Wilgy/SVS/LC

Wilgy/SVS dont work because of how SVS reacted to pressure from Wilgy - felt very reactive, compared to how I expect a wolf would view pressure from a partner which wouldn't be as worried

LC/SVS you talked about earlier, feels vaguely unlikely but nothing solid considering I spent the past few days thinking one of Epi's posts was said by LC x_x

And LC/Wilgy I havent really looked into at all, though I would like to mention that the Falcon NK is probably favorable to them due to Falcon's vote on LC & it means Wilgy wouldnt then need to shield a townie that potentially votes his buddy today. Aside from that I honestly couldnt tell you if these work or not off the top of my head ;_;

do you read falcon's death as more the LC side of things or the Wilgy side of things?

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:00 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:55 pm last 48 hours has been a blur. I keep skimming thread and realize I'm not absorbing anything.

My brief thoughts re eod were basically, why Delta? and that I probably would've encouraged a Cait wagon over DM as DM decided to townspew right as I couldn't really be close to thread. Had that been done at any point prior to 3 hours before EoD I wouldn't have voted there.

>.>

you really do nothing to help me stop tinfoiling you every game

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you definitely think Cait is....town now though, right?

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:00 am**

*scrolls down*
oh, that's a no

hm

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