I don't suspect you right now, and I heavily appreciate your input. But I can never trust you because you are so skilled at being a baddie.MovingPictures07 wrote: But feel free to suspect me all you want now or in the future; you'll just be wrong.

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I don't suspect you right now, and I heavily appreciate your input. But I can never trust you because you are so skilled at being a baddie.MovingPictures07 wrote: But feel free to suspect me all you want now or in the future; you'll just be wrong.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
At risk of being lynched, your point is strong, and i acknowledge it.thellama73 wrote:
I'm not assuming that, which is why I said it looked like you had BTSC, not it looks like you are mafia. Still, if you're going to take that route, what evidence can we ever use to lynch somebody? It is a more reasonable assumption to make that "X has BTSC, so is probably mafia" than "X has BTSC, but we don't know anything about the mafia this game, so let's leave him alone." In a game with so little information, we have to make a few reasonable assumptions.
I wouldn't ask for anything different.thellama73 wrote:I don't suspect you right now, and I heavily appreciate your input. But I can never trust you because you are so skilled at being a baddie.MovingPictures07 wrote: But feel free to suspect me all you want now or in the future; you'll just be wrong.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
See, this is something I hadn't really thought of, but I think you might be wrong. Or not. I don't know. I'm bringing this up but I want the thread to help me figure this out. If you had BTSC, would you have encouraged your teammates to vote for the same option as you, or the opposite? It makes sense they would want to win a challenge together. It also makes sense they would keep their eye on as many people as possible. Right? I don't know. I'm leaning towards they'd vote together, to be honest, which would mean one team had more baddies than the other (and no I won't make this a team loyalty thing, I have no idea who any of my teammates' roles are).Made wrote:While we must acknowledge the possiblity of mafia teams, I agree. Mafia being on two seperate teams/evenly split between teams (which is probably more likely anyways) is more likely anyways.Epignosis wrote:It's a terrible idea.Enrique wrote:Well, given we are running blind, is that bad of an idea? We don't know the roles, we don't know the teams. We are gonna lynch someone after all, doesn't it make the most sense to lynch someone who isn't contributing?
Those who participated are a microcosmic snapshot of the entire game. I would bet my last coconut (and therefore have to walk or take the bus with S~V~S) that a bad guy was an eager participant in the quiz hoping to bring home a benefit for the team.
See? This is the kind of thing I was aiming for. We don't know the roles so BTSC isn't really indicative of alignment, but... let's definitely keep it mind. I don't know what else to add or whether I should encourage you to say who. Mafia is really tricky like that, especially when you don't know the rolesthellama73 wrote:I completely agree with you here that everyone would want to help their team win regardless of alignment, and I am not in favor of *GASP* going after non-participants.MovingPictures07 wrote: Not sure how I feel about anyone using non-participants or anything in the BTSC as an actual way to suspect anyone -- seems to me that regardless of the alignment, anyone would have wanted to help contribute to their team winning.
HOWEVER
There was one interesting post in the Nudger chatroom that seemed to me to indicate that a certain someone had BTSC with a player on Winker team. It might have been a slip, it might have been nothing. I intend to follow it if nothing better comes along.
I'm saying, and this has been my point from the beginning, that the game just started. I'm not gunning as hard after low-posters as some would make me out to be, and I'm the first to actually get any serious lynch talk going, I'm not looking for an easy target. If I do end up voting for a low poster, think of it as being as meaningful to me as a random day 1 vote. If we don't have any names by the time the poll is over then there's not much else I can do.MovingPictures07 wrote:Enrique, I'm not sure I understand; you seem to be saying conflicting items. First, you say we have nothing better to judge players by than what occurred during the contest, and you imply that non-participants seem like the best choice, and then you post that most recent post which doesn't seem to say much of anything at all ("I don't know about their roles, but you can at least count on them to be around" regarding high posters).
To me, it kind of comes across like you're either trying too hard or maybe I just misunderstand you.
So tell me: Do you think those who are "not contributing" are worthy of a vote today or not?
Woah tons of linki, posting anyway
I covered that. If somebody finds anything, that's great, but all I saw for all of day 0 was silliness. There were no agendas to push and hardly anything game related to discuss.MovingPictures07 wrote:How is literally all we have right now whether someone has vibes about what went on in chatrooms? What about the thread?
Oh man, Made is just... from what I gathered reading Misfits Mafia, he's not slipping, that's just the way he walksthellama73 wrote:Not feeling it today. I don't think we are any more likely to fnd a baddie in a non-participant than anywhere else, and I would rather go by actual pings if we have them. There has been a lot more posting than on most Day 0s even if most of it has been off topic, so we have little excuse for randomizing or going after low posters in my opinion.MovingPictures07 wrote: Why aren't you in favor of it?
I'll elaborate. I'm not scared. Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.MovingPictures07 wrote: Interesting. I was only in the chatroom for like less than a minute, lol, so I can't say I know what you're talking about, but that's intriguing. I presume you don't want to elaborate on it just yet or else you would have in that post anyway?
To me, this looked like a slip, indicating that he knew what the other team was up to, followed by an attempt to cover it up.
Bonus, if we lynch Made and I am right, we can narrow down his teammate to one of the six or seven people active in the Winker chat.
Yeah, and how do you do that without any discussion?MovingPictures07 wrote:There are still almost 48 hours, Enrique, I'm not sure why you think all we have to base informed votes off of equals what's in the chatrooms.
Frankly, I'm going to be basing my vote on what goes on in the thread, like in every other game ever.
Linki with Llama
Do you mean Day 0? If so, read above. If not, well, that's us right now talking about it.thellama73 wrote:ntereting that several people say we have "nothing to go on." I think nine pages by the beginning of day one is a lot to go on.
Yeah well I'm saving this post for future referenceMade wrote:few things wrong with that.thellama73 wrote:
Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.
1. someone said something to the tune of "you would know" right after I said that, which is why i said I wouldn't actually know.
2. from what i understand, implying i do know what the other team was doing probably would be considered BTSC.
3.You're assuming their are only Mafia Teams.
Well that was an early and unnecessary WIFOM. I probably would've just shrugged off llama's "accusations," but alright! You do you.MovingPictures07 wrote:There's a solid difference between agreeing and buddying.thellama73 wrote:Damn it, MP, whenever you agree with me this much you always turn out to be bad. I really hope you are not though, because you are such a great thread partner to bounce ideas off of. :P
I heavily value your input regardless of my alignment, but I tend to suck up to you as a baddie. I am not sucking up. If you had said you wanted to lynch non-posters I would have grilled you for it.
Besides, I've been bad statistically way too many times, especially in full games. I love being a baddie, but even I'm sick of it right now.![]()
But feel free to suspect me all you want now or in the future; you'll just be wrong.
Well here I'm trying to keep a balance. I acknowledge day 0 was all OT, but it did give us an idea of who was around, right? I'm not gunning after anyone, take it easy.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I posted nothing on topic on Day 0, the OT day. We should lynch me just for that...
Linki: lol, meta talk already
Except that one time the three of us had Ultimate Mexican Standoff Triumvirate Fest 2013 in Daisy's Game. We all ended up good but we were all ready to stake our lives on the fact the other two were bad. Never know what's up with y'all and it looks like it's headed that way this game as well.thellama73 wrote:Damn it, MP, whenever you agree with me this much you always turn out to be bad. I really hope you are not though, because you are such a great thread partner to bounce ideas off of. :P
She cleared it about 40 minutes ago, I checked when i got home. I just looked in there now to see if you had been in there since she cleared it, and you had not.Made wrote:Roxy cleared the room 8 seconds ago, so i can't check exactly who asked if i knew something...
Uh, what?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seems like the nudgers chatroom was a bit more exciting than the winkers chatroom if you know what I mean.
Maybe I'll just make the reasonable assumption that llama and MP are throwing Made under the bus right now.
Ugh, that was absolutely dreadful. I'd like to avoid that ever again if possible.Mongoose wrote:Except that one time the three of us had Ultimate Mexican Standoff Triumvirate Fest 2013 in Daisy's Game. We all ended up good but we were all ready to stake our lives on the fact the other two were bad. Never know what's up with y'all and it looks like it's headed that way this game as well.thellama73 wrote:Damn it, MP, whenever you agree with me this much you always turn out to be bad. I really hope you are not though, because you are such a great thread partner to bounce ideas off of. :P
I don't know what happened in your chatroom. I'm trying to figure out from your statements, but it is not clear to me, or I missed the point somewhere. Would you mind cluing us in on where the heck this all came from? Nothing Made has said has given me an indication that he has BTSC.MovingPictures07 wrote:Uh, what?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seems like the nudgers chatroom was a bit more exciting than the winkers chatroom if you know what I mean.
Maybe I'll just make the reasonable assumption that llama and MP are throwing Made under the bus right now.
So let me get this straight:
- You must think Made is bad if you think he is being thrown under the bus.
- You must think both llama and I are his teammates for saying such a statement.
Was that supposed to be in sarcastic orange or are you going to contribute by making sweeping statements without backing them up at all? I don't understand.
Linki
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Hold up, no speculation at all? How long does this last? The whole game? Damn, hosts, you're crazy.DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone not to discuss possible roles in the game thread. There's been nothing too bad but a few close-ish posts. Thank you.
I miss LP Survivor <3Enrique wrote:@Hosts: Are the chatrooms there to stay? Do Winkers and Nudgers have BTSC, or is this over?
Also, Made. Voting the non-participants is what we used to do back in the glory days of LP Survivor hosted by my dear friend Bullzeye. Of course it's not the same here given that there's probably specific roles we should be trying to lynch, but, our info is limited enough that lynching inactive users may not be a terrible idea. It's a silly game after all, we're all running blind
Buuut there's definitely space for suspicious behavior in chatrooms. So, I don't know, I'll hear you guys out if you think anybody deserves death more than others or if there was some rolehinting going on or whatever. I have no problem going with the flow on this one.
I effed that up too.MovingPictures07 wrote: LoRab and DD's John Hughes Mafia on LP.
Also, I never said I am voting for Made. I just thought he made an intriguing and possibly plausible observation, though I did provide a counterargument.thellama73 wrote:Not feeling it today. I don't think we are any more likely to fnd a baddie in a non-participant than anywhere else, and I would rather go by actual pings if we have them. There has been a lot more posting than on most Day 0s even if most of it has been off topic, so we have little excuse for randomizing or going after low posters in my opinion.MovingPictures07 wrote: Why aren't you in favor of it?
I'll elaborate. I'm not scared. Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.MovingPictures07 wrote: Interesting. I was only in the chatroom for like less than a minute, lol, so I can't say I know what you're talking about, but that's intriguing. I presume you don't want to elaborate on it just yet or else you would have in that post anyway?
To me, this looked like a slip, indicating that he knew what the other team was up to, followed by an attempt to cover it up.
Bonus, if we lynch Made and I am right, we can narrow down his teammate to one of the six or seven people active in the Winker chat.
The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was BWT's lack of participation during the game. he was there for 2 mintues before the game, but didn't post questions in chat or answer in the thread. He said he had dinner in 2 mintues, around question 7 or 8 so it may be excusable, but still. Most i got.MovingPictures07 wrote:Made, do you find anyone suspicious right now?
<3 (but seriously tho, saying shit like that'll get me lynched, so don't)"Enrique" wrote:Oh man, Made is just... from what I gathered reading Misfits Mafia, he's not slipping, that's just the way he walksAll the constant hinting at being bad for that payoff. It was kinda amazing to watch.
TL:DRMetal wrote: Nothing Made has said has given me an indication that he has BTSC.
I think "throwing under the bus" usually refers to two teammates getting rid of a third to make their lives easier. In this case, no one would be talking about Made without llama, so it's not really validMetalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know what happened in your chatroom. I'm trying to figure out from your statements, but it is not clear to me, or I missed the point somewhere. Would you mind cluing us in on where the heck this all came from? Nothing Made has said has given me an indication that he has BTSC.MovingPictures07 wrote:Uh, what?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seems like the nudgers chatroom was a bit more exciting than the winkers chatroom if you know what I mean.
Maybe I'll just make the reasonable assumption that llama and MP are throwing Made under the bus right now.
So let me get this straight:
- You must think Made is bad if you think he is being thrown under the bus.
- You must think both llama and I are his teammates for saying such a statement.
Was that supposed to be in sarcastic orange or are you going to contribute by making sweeping statements without backing them up at all? I don't understand.
Linki
So, to add to my previous statement, I've got nothing. You are correct.
Enrique, i was referring to point 3 of this post. That was how I read this; "And even if I do have BTSC, maybe there is civ BTSC" . I don't know any other way to read this.Made wrote:few things wrong with that.thellama73 wrote:
Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.
1. someone said something to the tune of "you would know" right after I said that, which is why i said I wouldn't actually know.
2. from what i understand, implying i do know what the other team was doing probably would be considered BTSC.
3.You're assuming their are only Mafia Teams.
No, I mean Day 1. It is now Day 1. The beginning of Day 1. So we have nine pages of material to work with at the start of Day 1.Enrique wrote:Do you mean Day 0? If so, read above. If not, well, that's us right now talking about it.thellama73 wrote:interesting that several people say we have "nothing to go on." I think nine pages by the beginning of day one is a lot to go on.
Why not? That's a strange conclusion to come to, especially from someone who thinks we have nothing to go on.Enrique wrote:I don't think Made is hinting at civvie BTSC tbh, unless I missed something. I don't think he has BTSC at all.
I call everyone an idiot. Don't take it personal.Made wrote: Also llama called me an idiot![]()
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
For the record, that's how I read it as well.S~V~S wrote:Enrique, i was referring to point 3 of this post. That was how I read this; "And even if I do have BTSC, maybe there is civ BTSC" . I don't know any other way to read this.Made wrote:few things wrong with that.thellama73 wrote:
Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.
1. someone said something to the tune of "you would know" right after I said that, which is why i said I wouldn't actually know.
2. from what i understand, implying i do know what the other team was doing probably would be considered BTSC.
3.You're assuming their are only Mafia Teams.
Linki, and there he goes again. Implying BWT is suspect for a challenge related issue.
You think Dana seems suspicious as well? Why?thellama73 wrote:Maybe I am just bad at reading new people who have a different style than I am used to, but the new people seem very suspicious to me.
Sometimes he calls them even worse things~ as someone who knowsthellama73 wrote:I call everyone an idiot. Don't take it personal.Made wrote: Also llama called me an idiot![]()
I really don't, which is why i wasn't going to mention it until you asked......motherfucking linki.... for the record Mp's post was a linki for me...MovingPictures07 wrote:Made, do you really think a baddie would not contribute though?
The Other MP post...Made wrote:I really don't, which is why i wasn't going to mention it until you asked......motherfucking linki.... for the record Mp's post was a linki for me...MovingPictures07 wrote:Made, do you really think a baddie would not contribute though?
This is actually a post I paid a lot of attention to, SVS. I don't think that's what Made was going for, tho. I don't know. I'm not claiming to know exactly what he is or what he means.S~V~S wrote:Enrique, i was referring to point 3 of this post. That was how I read this; "And even if I do have BTSC, maybe there is civ BTSC" . I don't know any other way to read this.Made wrote:few things wrong with that.thellama73 wrote:
Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.
1. someone said something to the tune of "you would know" right after I said that, which is why i said I wouldn't actually know.
2. from what i understand, implying i do know what the other team was doing probably would be considered BTSC.
3.You're assuming their are only Mafia Teams.
Linki, and there he goes again. Implying BWT is suspect for a challenge related issue.
Thank you. I did read Made's response to it, which doesn't completely gel with llama's. I do think this is worth looking into, even if it did only happen in the chatroom on Day 0. If I recall, juliets, BWT, and SVS were some of the other active players in your chatroom. Any input from them would be helpful.MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd like to hear from juliets and see what she's thinking right now.
Linki with MM: This is Llama's original post on the matter; does it help?
Also, I never said I am voting for Made. I just thought he made an intriguing and possibly plausible observation, though I did provide a counterargument.thellama73 wrote:Not feeling it today. I don't think we are any more likely to fnd a baddie in a non-participant than anywhere else, and I would rather go by actual pings if we have them. There has been a lot more posting than on most Day 0s even if most of it has been off topic, so we have little excuse for randomizing or going after low posters in my opinion.MovingPictures07 wrote: Why aren't you in favor of it?
I'll elaborate. I'm not scared. Made said something along the lines of "I doubt the other team will be doing what we're doing" referring to our strategy. He immediately followed this up with a bunch of posts saying things like "not that I would know. Actually I have no idea what they're up to." and so on. Not exact wording as we're not allowed to paste from the chats and I don't remember the exact words anyway.MovingPictures07 wrote: Interesting. I was only in the chatroom for like less than a minute, lol, so I can't say I know what you're talking about, but that's intriguing. I presume you don't want to elaborate on it just yet or else you would have in that post anyway?
To me, this looked like a slip, indicating that he knew what the other team was up to, followed by an attempt to cover it up.
Bonus, if we lynch Made and I am right, we can narrow down his teammate to one of the six or seven people active in the Winker chat.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
What the heck did he call you? That's some brass ... malls.S~V~S wrote:Sometimes he calls them even worse things~ as someone who knowsthellama73 wrote:I call everyone an idiot. Don't take it personal.Made wrote: Also llama called me an idiot![]()
Okay, there is this from SVS, another inconsistency.S~V~S wrote:She cleared it about 40 minutes ago, I checked when i got home. I just looked in there now to see if you had been in there since she cleared it, and you had not.Made wrote:Roxy cleared the room 8 seconds ago, so i can't check exactly who asked if i knew something...
I am going to go BOTD right now. TBH, you caught my eye with the "joke" about lynching a no show Nudger. Then you third point implying you had civ BTSC right after your other points struck me s rather flailish. Plus this, but why would you lie about such a thing?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
No, just Enrique and Made. I should have been more specific. Dana has not really been posting, so I have no read on her.MovingPictures07 wrote:You think Dana seems suspicious as well? Why?thellama73 wrote:Maybe I am just bad at reading new people who have a different style than I am used to, but the new people seem very suspicious to me.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
Got it.thellama73 wrote:No, just Enrique and Made. I should have been more specific. Dana has not really been posting, so I have no read on her.MovingPictures07 wrote:You think Dana seems suspicious as well? Why?thellama73 wrote:Maybe I am just bad at reading new people who have a different style than I am used to, but the new people seem very suspicious to me.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
I don't want to discuss Dana or BWT, I want to discuss MadeEnrique wrote:MP, I just think llama's was a general statement about how new people can be hard to read.
@ metalmarsh: Well actually the only word we have on BWT is that he wasn't active on their chatroom.
I don't like pulling names out of thin air up for discussion like this tbh. Is there anything to discuss about Dana/BWT so far? I'd rather wait for them to show up now that the game started for real.
That's why I originally thought he meant only Dana and Made, considering you've been playing mafia even as much as a couple of years longer than I have.Enrique wrote:Oh, wasn't expecting that. Had you said something about me before, llama? I'm gonna go now real quick sorry if I seem distracted.
Also pfft, calling me "new"
@Enrique I would like 'active' to be defined then. He was active enough to know what was going on and answer the final question.birdwithteeth11 wrote:10. What did God tell Arthur was so depressing?
The Psalms
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Enrique wrote:Oh, wasn't expecting that. Had you said something about me before, llama? I'm gonna go now real quick sorry if I seem distracted.
Also pfft, calling me "new"
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
It's intresting, because i feel the opposite. When he was presenting his opinion earlier, I figured scum hunting, but once llama brought up the fact so many day 0 post existed, and Enri didn't drop it i took notice. (Given, he proved to be right? Logic for killing me was reasonable.)MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, and I suppose add Enrique to that list as well.
I was getting pinged by Enrique a bit earlier, but his posts since have satisfied me, and I'm inclined to think he's genuinely attempting to scum hunt. Definitely have my eye on him though.
I solidly agree, which is why I never allow vote switching in my games.MovingPictures07 wrote:I am always wary of games with changing votes, it makes me feel like it could benefit the baddies significantly. But thanks for highlighting that -- it's something to remember, especially since I am so used to votes being final.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.