The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:For a moment I thought you had infiltrated my forum with a fake account and played a game there.

Hey, if I'm going to infiltrate your forum on the sly, it won't be with a fake account. I'll just call myself Long Con.

Alright, I just finished everything. It all makes a little more sense.

I reckon mafia is between Sorsha, Epi and Dom. Everybody else I have a strong reason to believe they are civ/indie.

I like how Epi has been playing all game. I think he's a civ too and I'm okay with letting paranoia die for a while.

Dom has been giving me mixed vibes, but my gut says town.

Sorsha is just coasting all game and she is a good lynch.

DFaraday wrote:Day 6 - The Beastly Backfire

There is a saying which goes, "The best laid plans of mice and men so often go awry." However, this is an inaccurate saying, as most mice are incapable of planning, and most plans of men that go awry are not the best ones. A very irresponsible man named Aesop was responsible for this and many other befuddling aphorisms (two words here meaning "confusing phrases"), sayings which continue to mislead young minds even to this day.

The best laid plans of the beachgoers so often went awry that they decided that the best course of action was to stop planning altogether. They decided to spend the day constructing a wheel containing the names of all the surviving beachgoers, then to spin it at random to decide whom to kill. Round, round, round, round, and round it went, finally landing on Quin. They circled him slowly, eyeing his frame with a vicious intensity. Ever so slowly the circle closed in around poor Quin, the bloodlust in the air truly and frighteningly palpable.

Suddenly, there was a loud crash behind them, and the group saw that Dom and Sig had pushed a bookcase on top of LC, crushing him.


LC has been lynched. He was Olivia Caliban, and a member of the Village of Fowl Devotees.

It is now Night 6. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.

This is outrageous. I can't believe you would allow that. Truthfully, I've never before seen anything so disgraceful! What were you thinking? Does anybody ever pay attention to anything anymore? I mean my God. You should be ashamed.

Aesop never said that. Robert Burns did.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

sig wrote: DDL = One piece isn't as good as Bleach therefore he can't be trusted

This is blasphemy.

Get the fuck out of my sight.

lmao

Epignosis wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Day 6 - The Beastly Backfire

There is a saying which goes, "The best laid plans of mice and men so often go awry." However, this is an inaccurate saying, as most mice are incapable of planning, and most plans of men that go awry are not the best ones. A very irresponsible man named Aesop was responsible for this and many other befuddling aphorisms (two words here meaning "confusing phrases"), sayings which continue to mislead young minds even to this day.

The best laid plans of the beachgoers so often went awry that they decided that the best course of action was to stop planning altogether. They decided to spend the day constructing a wheel containing the names of all the surviving beachgoers, then to spin it at random to decide whom to kill. Round, round, round, round, and round it went, finally landing on Quin. They circled him slowly, eyeing his frame with a vicious intensity. Ever so slowly the circle closed in around poor Quin, the bloodlust in the air truly and frighteningly palpable.

Suddenly, there was a loud crash behind them, and the group saw that Dom and Sig had pushed a bookcase on top of LC, crushing him.


LC has been lynched. He was Olivia Caliban, and a member of the Village of Fowl Devotees.

It is now Night 6. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.

This is outrageous. I can't believe you would allow that. Truthfully, I've never before seen anything so disgraceful! What were you thinking? Does anybody ever pay attention to anything anymore? I mean my God. You should be ashamed.

Aesop never said that. Robert Burns did.

Lemony Snicket doesn't know that.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Sure but how do you know him?

Have you played a game there I'm not aware of?

We played in the mafia champs finale together. He was damn good actually, but I kept asking him when he was going to show up and contribute lol. Well, he never explained anything, he was just like 'x is bad, suck it'.

I know that Roman, he is super fun to troll and mess with.

lol I'm officially lost.

Also prepare for a VFD revenge onslaught agaisnt me this phase, since I took out on of their own.

Now I can only guess we have two blockers in play, the mafia and VFD.

My hypothesis could be that the last player alive on the Troupe was Sorsha who blocked her own kill, but that seems a little bit to reachy. Plus I'd need to look at and see the rules on actions and kills. Since why kill Sorsha? that makes very little sense.

That's fascinating. I had Sunny wrong, then, and I've no idea why they would have killed Epignosis. That suggests someone who isn't paying close attention, or someone very paranoid.

But I think sig is likely on to the correct explanation for the Sorsha kill. There's no reason for Olaf to kill Sorsha, unless Olaf is Sorsha looking to self clear.

Oh, I can see how it could be that Sunny is part of Ishmael's cult. That might make sense of that kill.

I didn't think Epi was bad, but so far seeing how many mafia has been killed by our vigs maybe they were onto something.

So right the people I view as civ cleared are
Dom
Golden
DDL
Non mafia
Jack
Quin
Could be mafia
MP
Daisy
Sorsha

linki: I mean Sunny's kills haven't made sense, but they haven't all been horrible.

sig wrote:

lol I'm officially lost.

Also prepare for a VFD revenge onslaught agaisnt me this phase, since I took out on of their own.

Now I can only guess we have two blockers in play, the mafia and VFD.

My hypothesis could be that the last player alive on the Troupe was Sorsha who blocked her own kill, but that seems a little bit to reachy. Plus I'd need to look at and see the rules on actions and kills. Since why kill Sorsha? that makes very little sense.

A better theory is that Sorsha knew she'd be blocked by either the VFD or Poe or both. So she shot herself. I guess. Or there was some sort of redirect.

There's no reason for any of the other potential scummers to shoot at Sorsha on purpose.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

sig wrote:

lol I'm officially lost.

Also prepare for a VFD revenge onslaught agaisnt me this phase, since I took out on of their own.

Now I can only guess we have two blockers in play, the mafia and VFD.

My hypothesis could be that the last player alive on the Troupe was Sorsha who blocked her own kill, but that seems a little bit to reachy. Plus I'd need to look at and see the rules on actions and kills. Since why kill Sorsha? that makes very little sense.

A better theory is that Sorsha knew she'd be blocked by either the VFD or Poe or both. So she shot herself. I guess. Or there was some sort of redirect.

There's no reason for any of the other potential scummers to shoot at Sorsha on purpose.

Yeah, I agree. With VFD and potentially Poe out there, she could be confident of being blocked.

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

sig wrote:

lol I'm officially lost.

Also prepare for a VFD revenge onslaught agaisnt me this phase, since I took out on of their own.

Now I can only guess we have two blockers in play, the mafia and VFD.

My hypothesis could be that the last player alive on the Troupe was Sorsha who blocked her own kill, but that seems a little bit to reachy. Plus I'd need to look at and see the rules on actions and kills. Since why kill Sorsha? that makes very little sense.

A better theory is that Sorsha knew she'd be blocked by either the VFD or Poe or both. So she shot herself. I guess. Or there was some sort of redirect.

There's no reason for any of the other potential scummers to shoot at Sorsha on purpose.

Yeah, I agree. With VFD and potentially Poe out there, she could be confident of being blocked.

Course, you can't really trust a neutral.

I mean, they coulda blocked anybody.

I trust you completely.

What do you think of the "Sunny is Ishmael cult" theory?

Golden wrote:I trust you completely.

What do you think of the "Sunny is Ishmael cult" theory?

One of my favorites.

That said, I don't know who you guys think Dom is so that throws off a lot of my spreadsheeting.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:I trust you completely.

What do you think of the "Sunny is Ishmael cult" theory?

One of my favorites.

That said, I don't know who you guys think Dom is so that throws off a lot of my spreadsheeting.

Ooooh, spreadsheeting!

I dropped some hints towards the end of yesterday. Good luck!

I've never made a spreadsheet...

I'm on the way home from my trip. I have things to say and ill say them in about 5 hours. Adios.

So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

sorsha is the worst nght kill weird coveerre up ser ui ou sly

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

No, I'm very confident that there's 2 baddies left.

Hi Daisy.

Missed you yesterday. Could have missed you more.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

Game would end

Quin wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

No, I'm very confident that there's 2 baddies left.

Quin

You are completely wrong about everything.

Although it is possible there could be two baddies left lol.

But sig is not one of them, in any world, on any planet. I trust him as much as I trust Jack, and for essentially the same reasons.

Dom wrote:sorsha is the worst nght kill weird coveerre up ser ui ou sly

What are you thinking, Dom? (and at the end there it looks like you are counting your syllables for haiku mafia.)

Dom wrote:Sorsha is the worst
Night kill, what a weird cover
up, ser ui ou sly.

Why are you so determined that sig is bad, quin?

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

Game would end

Are you saying you think the cult outnumbers the town/vfd?

Or that the game would end and cult just loses.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

No, I'm very confident that there's 2 baddies left.

Quin

You are completely wrong about everything.

Although it is possible there could be two baddies left lol.

But sig is not one of them, in any world, on any planet. I trust him as much as I trust Jack, and for essentially the same reasons.

You just wait until I get home.

I swear to God, if Quin somehow manages to get himself lynched today....

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

Game would end

Are you saying you think the cult outnumbers the town/vfd?

Or that the game would end and cult just loses.

My understanding is game ends, and cult loses if they have not at any point had 50% or more of the people. But if cult gets to 50%, the game continues anyway. Like, the cult meeting their win condition or not meeting it has no bearing on the game ending.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I swear to God, if Quin somehow manages to get himself lynched today....

I won't vote for Quin.

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

Game would end

Are you saying you think the cult outnumbers the town/vfd?

Or that the game would end and cult just loses.

My understanding is game ends, and cult loses if they have not at any point had 50% or more of the people. But if cult gets to 50%, the game continues anyway. Like, the cult meeting their win condition or not meeting it has no bearing on the game ending.

This is correct.

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:So let's say we eliminate the Troupe today.

Game continues, right? Unless the cult already has majority, in which case everybody wins?

Game would end

Are you saying you think the cult outnumbers the town/vfd?

Or that the game would end and cult just loses.

My understanding is game ends, and cult loses if they have not at any point had 50% or more of the people. But if cult gets to 50%, the game continues anyway. Like, the cult meeting their win condition or not meeting it has no bearing on the game ending.

I've never played with a cult like this. HCRealms cults are almost always considered a "threat to the town" and all threats (mafias, skers, cults) must be eliminated for the town to win.

I'm also not going to engage with a case on sig, though, except to dismiss it outright. Quin is determined to put sig into incorrect roles over and over again. Sig is town through and through.

@jack - it's very unusual. I can't recall ever seeing one like this. Even cults that can win with each side usually have a kill (although, now I think this cult may have found a kill lol).

Question for Dfaraday:

Will valid role blocks lead to prevented night kills being made public to the thread, as 'Quin has not been night killed'?

At a guess, if DF doesn't come back, I suggest that blocks and protects and inherent survivals would all appear the same.

People might argue that because a role block essentially prevents a role from being used, there was no actual target of that role. Its a game-to-game thing I'd like cleared up here.

Never had the mod give the player name of a kill survivor either.

Doctoring doesn't even appear in the writeups every time so as to not give away if the mafia was blocked or not. There will just be a missing kill.

Thanks.

Golden wrote:That's fascinating. I had Sunny wrong, then, and I've no idea why they would have killed Epignosis. That suggests someone who isn't paying close attention, or someone very paranoid.

Or someone who doesn't agree with you. That happens too, sometimes.

On the Sorsha thing though, I'm inclined to believe your and Sig's theory.

I hate how tinfoily it is, though. It is a huge gambit by Sorsha if it is true. But I don't see any reason for Olaf to kill the one person we are all determined to lynch, WIFOM or otherwise.

I'm home!! Been in the car almost 12 hours today, so I'm going to sleep and get into it in the morning.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:On the Sorsha thing though, I'm inclined to believe your and Sig's theory.

I hate how tinfoily it is, though. It is a huge gambit by Sorsha if it is true. But I don't see any reason for Olaf to kill the one person we are all determined to lynch, WIFOM or otherwise.

this + the fact that she hasn't even checked in yet.

Elohcin wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:The image is basically short for "Could you fucking not?"

I've always assumed that Quin's avatar was a relative of his...

me too!

Me three

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:That's fascinating. I had Sunny wrong, then, and I've no idea why they would have killed Epignosis. That suggests someone who isn't paying close attention, or someone very paranoid.

Or someone who doesn't agree with you. That happens too, sometimes.

It's not always a question of agreement.

I might know what your thinking Quin and that isn't the case.

I'd think Poe targeted Sorsha, which could have blocked her aka the kill, but that's very risky.


At this point in the game it's not in the Cults best interest for the civs to win, unless they already have 50%, so we gotta watch out for that.

@Quin what two mafia members do you think are left? Since I think I agree with Golden earlier thought that Olaf is dead. I think the mafia blocker is still alive, maybe the role checker.

In theory it could be MP and Daisy who both know that Ishmael is gone so they're hinting at that, however the chances of Ishmael being gone are slim. So I'd lean towards Sorsha still.