Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Amy]

Look, all I'm saying is that if you're town, we need to find each other. I can't find a way to make sense of the w!MR world that doesn't involve you wolfing. Do you still believe in the w!MR world? Because if so, and you're not a wolf, there's shenanigans afoot, because again I am not a wolf.

If you're town, either MR was a villager, or something is terribly terribly wrong with my cleared pile. Help me figure out which one it is.

If you're not town uhhh feel free to ignore this post and enjoy the thunderdome I guess? idk

8/30

[tutuu]

I am also going to kill you, Hally!

[Hally]

i hope it is just amy so i can not deal with this anymore

[Amy]

i hope it is just amy so i can not deal with this anymore

i wish it was me so i didn't have to feel bad about not getting there on iaafr

but i have bad news for you and i have bad news for myself

9/30

[tutuu]

Amy and Hally, this is my battle theme:



Please, assume that I am Mafia, and send me your battle themes. Let's make this epic.

[Long Con]

[tutuu]

Fuck yeah

Nanook and Nutella, yours too.

Listening to yours now Long Con.

[Amy]

yeah ok

[Amy]

wait fuck you and i are gonna get along just fine

[Hally]

Amy and Hally, this is my battle theme:



Please, assume that I am Mafia, and send me your battle themes. Let's make this epic.

it won’t be epic if/when we lose

gl gl

[Amy]

tutuu you're peeking me tonight yeah?

[tutuu]

I have decided that this will be Hally's battle theme. (Holy shit it actually slaps)

Amy, I don't negotiate with terrorists!

[Hally]

heres a theory

lc is the last mafia

he never had a vest (how the fuck does having a vest even make sense in addition to the 80% immunity loltony if real)

he knew that the mafia kill was stopped because radishes was mafia and the only kill that night

so he made up some shit about him getting hit with it to clear himself but i actually never redirected radishes to him at all. it failed because both are wolves

is this even possible. idfk, because why claim 3P as the last wolf

yeah no, this is dumb

[Amy]

I have decided that this will be Hally's battle theme. (Holy shit it actually slaps)

Amy, I don't negotiate with terrorists!

i'm just sayin', if you think hally's ascetic, you should 100% be peeking me

a second fail result in a row confirms either a scum roleblocker or you lying; rules out the ascetic hally world

and if it DOESN'T fail you either clear me or you fakeclaim a redcheck and we get our thunderdome

no reason for you to peek anywhere else

(as a villager)

(and i'm sure nutella/nanook, i.e. the people you AREN'T scumreading, would agree)

[Hally]

tutuu you're peeking me tonight yeah?

no she should peek me so she can find out i’m not fucking ascetic

but if she’s town and mafia has a blocker it doesn’t even matter because they’ll just block her again

so either we get no peek because she’s blocked or she’s killed or she’s just a wolf who made up that shit about her peek on me failing

idfk

[Amy]

heres a theory

lc is the last mafia

he never had a vest (how the fuck does having a vest even make sense in addition to the 80% immunity loltony if real)

he knew that the mafia kill was stopped because radishes was mafia and the only kill that night

so he made up some shit about him getting hit with it to clear himself but i actually never redirected radishes to him at all. it failed because both are wolves

is this even possible. idfk, because why claim 3P as the last wolf

yeah no, this is dumb

if LC is the last wolf he always dies at f3 lol

not something i'm concerned about

[Hally]

I have decided that this will be Hally's battle theme. (Holy shit it actually slaps)

Amy, I don't negotiate with terrorists!

i'm just sayin', if you think hally's ascetic, you should 100% be peeking me

a second fail result in a row confirms either a scum roleblocker or you lying; rules out the ascetic hally world

and if it DOESN'T fail you either clear me or you fakeclaim a redcheck and we get our thunderdome

no reason for you to peek anywhere else

(as a villager)

(and i'm sure nutella/nanook, i.e. the people you AREN'T scumreading, would agree)

okay yeah tutuu should peek you fine

[Amy]

tutuu you're peeking me tonight yeah?

no she should peek me so she can find out i’m not fucking ascetic

but if she’s town and mafia has a blocker it doesn’t even matter because they’ll just block her again

so either we get no peek because she’s blocked or she’s killed or she’s just a wolf who made up that shit about her peek on me failing

idfk

so here's why i disagree

if tutuu's town and you really ARE ascetic redirector, or if tutuu's town and there's a scum roleblocker regardless of your alignment, we're back at square one. we've learned nothing about what happened during the night

if tutuu's a wolf, she just claims a fail result because that fits the agenda she's pushing, so it's much the same

if tutuu peeks ME, a fail result indicates a roleblocker; a success result clears me

there's no world in which i'm ascetic

i understand you don't wanna be dunked but

peeking me makes a lot more sense

[and at thsi point i'm not dunking you barring something batshit insane happening with the night results]

[Amy]

if tutuu doesn't peek me i'm probably just snapvoting her at SOD and then we'll all have a good laugh about it postgame if i'm wrong

glgl

[Amy]

still need to figure out whether i should be submitting on hally or LC

leaning hally

but dunno

17/30

[Hally]

tutuu you're peeking me tonight yeah?

no she should peek me so she can find out i’m not fucking ascetic

but if she’s town and mafia has a blocker it doesn’t even matter because they’ll just block her again

so either we get no peek because she’s blocked or she’s killed or she’s just a wolf who made up that shit about her peek on me failing

idfk

so here's why i disagree

if tutuu's town and you really ARE ascetic redirector, or if tutuu's town and there's a scum roleblocker regardless of your alignment, we're back at square one. we've learned nothing about what happened during the night

if tutuu's a wolf, she just claims a fail result because that fits the agenda she's pushing, so it's much the same

if tutuu peeks ME, a fail result indicates a roleblocker; a success result clears me

there's no world in which i'm ascetic

i understand you don't wanna be dunked but

peeking me makes a lot more sense

[and at thsi point i'm not dunking you barring something batshit insane happening with the night results]

no you’re right i’m dumb i didn’t really think about it at all i just..... really wanna be peeked so i can finally be clear god i hate this game

[Amy]

probably not going to actually snapvote for anything short of a redcheck claimed against me

don't want to rush the day phase

if we lose this game i don't want it to be because villagers ate each other while the wolves coasted off early mech cred or smth

something something dUe dIlIGeNcE

18/30

[Hally]

still need to figure out whether i should be submitting on hally or LC

leaning hally

but dunno

17/30

i haven’t actually brained it but i think targeting me makes more sense because of lc’s immunity thing?

it’s important for me to see if my redirect actually worked

but i guess if the person who i redirect you to gains posts i will know that my redirect worked anyway

so idk if your starting target matters? idk how to think about this

[Amy]

still need to figure out whether i should be submitting on hally or LC

leaning hally

but dunno

17/30

i haven’t actually brained it but i think targeting me makes more sense because of lc’s immunity thing?

it’s important for me to see if my redirect actually worked

but i guess if the person who i redirect you to gains posts i will know that my redirect worked anyway

so idk if your starting target matters? idk how to think about this

if we assume there's no wolf roleblocker then it doesn't matter unless you're a wolf

i guess i'll just target you anyways cause if you're ascetic i'll suddenly be aware of it

[Amy]

actually if you're ascetic wolf redirector you HAVE to either redirect me away from you (and thus clear me) or directly thunderdome me if i target you

so yeah, that's the play 100%

[Hally]

still need to figure out whether i should be submitting on hally or LC

leaning hally

but dunno

17/30

i haven’t actually brained it but i think targeting me makes more sense because of lc’s immunity thing?

it’s important for me to see if my redirect actually worked

but i guess if the person who i redirect you to gains posts i will know that my redirect worked anyway

so idk if your starting target matters? idk how to think about this

if we assume there's no wolf roleblocker then it doesn't matter unless you're a wolf

i guess i'll just target you anyways cause if you're ascetic i'll suddenly be aware of it

how would you be suddenly aware of that if i redirect you to someone who isn’t me

[Amy]

still need to figure out whether i should be submitting on hally or LC

leaning hally

but dunno

17/30

i haven’t actually brained it but i think targeting me makes more sense because of lc’s immunity thing?

it’s important for me to see if my redirect actually worked

but i guess if the person who i redirect you to gains posts i will know that my redirect worked anyway

so idk if your starting target matters? idk how to think about this

if we assume there's no wolf roleblocker then it doesn't matter unless you're a wolf

i guess i'll just target you anyways cause if you're ascetic i'll suddenly be aware of it

how would you be suddenly aware of that if i redirect you to someone who isn’t me

my brain was stuck in a space of "whoever the wolf is will just lie to incriminate me"

which isn't necessarily true but yknow.

[Hally]

actually if you're ascetic wolf redirector you HAVE to either redirect me away from you (and thus clear me) or directly thunderdome me if i target you

so yeah, that's the play 100%

right yea

i think that’s the correct play from your pov

now i have to decide who i redirect you to

[Hally]

i keep checking my role pm to see if the word ascetic has suddenly appeared but i can confirm it’s still not there

is it possible i’m ascetic but wasn’t told? i feel like that would just be bastard atp and i can’t do anything about that

i also have this thing where if i am widely scum read as town i like... double check my role pm to make sure that i’m actually still town and not scum who has convinced myself that i’m actually town, because what if what i know is actually Fake

basically i constantly gaslight myself all the time because i’m convinced my perception of reality is warped

wow this got dark ok

[tutuu]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] (in case I die tonight)

Please read this entire night phase carefully from start to finish.

Im begging you. Im literally begging you, grab a hold of your emotions, read my posts carefully and you will see why Hally and Amy are obvious.

Mafia is a stressful game. I offer you this deal: Nanook, please completely absolve yourself of any responsibility and put it all on my shoulders.

If LC is Mafia and we lose because of me, I will own up to it, I will apologize to everyone, and none of it will be your fault. I will apologize 100 times to everyone post game if that happens.

I need you to be mindmelding with me Nanook. Please, I beg you, I beg you, please see my logic, and see that Amy and Hally are Mafia and Long Con is a Survivor who is now Town's win condition.

Even yesterday I was dunking on Amy/Hally all day but my logic got mixed up with my emotions and excitement. I've been crystal clear and pure today, no emotion, everything I've said has been the truth.

I will not stop dunking on Amy and Hally. Please notice how none of them have anyone to push. Their PoE is zero. They need to choose between the Cop who outed a Mafia, the Dayvig who shot a Mafia, the Cop's green peek, and the Kingmaker 3P.

Please notice how both Amy and Hally are running around like flies, because they literally have nowhere to go. No sensible target to push. That's why they're doing AtE, calling themselves town, putting doubt on mech clears, putting doubt on setup solve. They are doing EVERYTHING EXCEPT finding the scum from their PoV.

I beg you to please see this, Nanook!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The problem is, like...on tone you’re super good...but on logic Hally and (especially) Amy are making a ton of sense, so

If I’m alive tomorrow I’ll figure it out then I guess.

Please lord let me not be alive tomorrow kek

[Amy]

i have developed a pounding headache and will probably not be around for SOD unless it abates

nothing i've posted has been AtE and just because you disagree with my scumread on you doesn't mean i'm not scumhunting

[Amy]

humbly requesting y'all save some posts for when i AM around

[Hally]

first of all i’m not AtEing anymore than you are tutuu

not every expression of emotion in a mafia game is an AtE

second of all i don’t need to push anyone rn

from my pov, the game right now is pending me/you either outing amy as the last wolf or clearing her from being the last wolf

once i have that information i will go from there

[Hally]

idek if night is ending now? [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

[Hally]

idek if night is ending now? @TonyStarkPrime

i guess the answer is “no”

anyway probably am out of posts so cya until whenever

[tutuu]

The problem is, like...on tone you’re super good...but on logic Hally and (especially) Amy are making a ton of sense, so

If I’m alive tomorrow I’ll figure it out then I guess.

Please lord let me not be alive tomorrow kek

How are they making sense Nanook.

Have you read my posts? Like do you think I'm a illogical person? Please tell me that you are reading my posts.

Again:

They have no proactive roleblocker. They couldn't have killed me N2. I also received Tim's Security System then.

On N3 they didn't want to trade 1 for 1 for me because it would activate it. Also killing Colin was an opportunity to misyeet Proto.

On N4 Amy PREEMTIVELY started shading me before WWH died.

If I were to die, WWH is clear, Nutella is clear. Too much clears. They have no PoE to work with.

Nanook, I have not said a single illogical thing on this night phase and the day phase before.

[tutuu]

They will kill Nutella tonight because it's their only sensible kill. They can't kill me or it clears Nutella, if they kill you they will know they will lose cuz Nutella is listening to me.

Nutella will die and their win con will be either to:
1) Try to make you misyeet me
2) Try to make you yeet Long Con in f3

Trust me Nanook, you are living to f3.

I really need you to talk to me and not just tell me I'm not making sense without pointing out what and why

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Saying “nanook, listen to me nanook, I’m making sense nanook, why aren’t you listening to me nanook, you really need to listen to me nanook” isn’t really going to help me find you.

The problem for me is that yeah, you’re making an amount of sense, but so are amy and hally. So, like, pestering me when I’ve clearly said I’ll think about it during the day if I survive isn’t gonna be that effective, and if you’re town it isn’t going to help me find you.

[tutuu]

I just had a brilliant idea.

[mention]Hally[/mention] needs to redirect me to Amy.

If Amy dies and flips town, I will gladly vote myself tommorrow.

Does everyone agree Hally redirecting me to Amy seems the most pro-town? Feels like a no brainer. I'm obviously not aligned with Amy.

Hally "redirecting" Amy is terrible and proves nothing, because I am claiming that they are aligned.

[Long Con]

I really thought the night actions would be all in by now and we'd have a nice, tight 9pm changeover. I'm fine with that plan tutuu, but I don't know how long we have until the deadline, and it might be late to be changing things.

[Hally]

I just had a brilliant idea.

@Hally needs to redirect me to Amy.

If Amy dies and flips town, I will gladly vote myself tommorrow.

Does everyone agree Hally redirecting me to Amy seems the most pro-town? Feels like a no brainer. I'm obviously not aligned with Amy.

Hally "redirecting" Amy is terrible and proves nothing, because I am claiming that they are aligned.

if nanook approves this i will do it

bye for real

[tutuu]

I just had a brilliant idea.

@Hally needs to redirect me to Amy.

If Amy dies and flips town, I will gladly vote myself tommorrow.

Does everyone agree Hally redirecting me to Amy seems the most pro-town? Feels like a no brainer. I'm obviously not aligned with Amy.

Hally "redirecting" Amy is terrible and proves nothing, because I am claiming that they are aligned.

if nanook approves this i will do it

bye for real

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think Hally saying where she’s redirecting someone to is optimal?

If she’s town that’s the whole point of the redirect isn’t it

[tutuu]

If Amy is town shes never the night kill

Its a great plan

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think it is tbh, lol

Like hally’s target being explicit is not ideal imo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like it’s fine if exactly Hally and Amy are the team obviously, but if they aren’t I think it’s like as not to backfire?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk am I missing something? Say Hally is town, why is this better?

[mention]tutuu[/mention]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Cause I have to evaluate with that possibility in mind not just from your “Hally and Amy are lock scum” POV

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wait I’m an idiot

If Hally is town it forecloses on the “tutu is solo scum” world


[mention]Hally[/mention] confirm changing to redirect tutu to Amy is good