The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:47 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:45 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:42 pm yeah you're right

mizery has done something

mizery quickhammered the parity cop
no, Tess did that
wolf!Mizery's play there makes zero sense to me
Putting Ender at L-1 is equivalent to hammering him because Tess' vote was off him. Don't be dense.

Wisp Quickhammered the Parity cop

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:48 pm**

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:47 pm ya and I accidently put him at L1 too, before I realized my mistake
Mizery voting again to put him in hammer range, makes more sense, then them trying to hammer
the latter does them zero favors
but I guess they could just go back to being aloof

If i was a wolf there I'd think i'd just spam ping esooa when you voted tbh

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:48 pm**

I'm done arguing with you Wisp.

This is why I voted you D1.

You don't listen to reason.

I don't know what it is you listen to but it isn't reason.

Currently I see you as a more well-mannered Gavial in terms of how you play the game.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:49 pm**

I hope Gira is scum so they come back, end the game, and you can see the error of your ways without delay.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:51 pm**

I'm listening to literally everything, that is why I am a hedge Lord lol

Do u think Ender is a bad player?

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:52 pm**

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:04 pm**

I'm not good at cases

I feel like all you need to do is read Alison and EoD3

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:04 pm**

Excited to see alison's case on me

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:05 pm**

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:04 pm Excited to see alison's case on me

I've already written it.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:06 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:05 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:04 pm Excited to see alison's case on me
I've already written it.

wait where is it then i don't see it

did i miss it

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:08 pm**

Ok so while I was at work I was thinking of the possibility that Alison is bussing Mizery and I think if that is the case it’s a good play on their part but fucks us (especially me) over.
Because in that case:
Mizery goes over (-) Alison is in a great position tomorrow and I’m in the worst one i had all game
Alison goes over (-) they kill me and Wisp votes Gira and we lose.

@Wisp
Remember if I die tonight, don’t instantly vote Gira, make sure it isn’t Mizery! Treat them as equals don’t just lock town Miz because Alison voted them.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:09 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:08 pm Ok so while I was at work I was thinking of the possibility that Alison is bussing Mizery and I think if that is the case it’s a good play on their part but fucks us (especially me) over.
Because in that case:
Mizery goes over (-) Alison is in a great position tomorrow and I’m in the worst one i had all game
Alison goes over (-) they kill me and Wisp votes Gira and we lose.

@Wisp
Remember if I die tonight, don’t instantly vote Gira, make sure it isn’t Mizery! Treat them as equals don’t just lock town Miz because Alison voted them.

I really really hope you are town so I can kill two birds with one stone.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:09 pm**

Also if you really think I’m scum with Miz why didn’t I perform the kill?
According to the Tracker I didn’t visit anyone.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:10 pm**

u dont need to tell me how to handle Lylo @Gavial lol

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:11 pm**

and If gira is a wolf, that means Dr Wigly
had the worst possible track you could possibly make in this setup lol

@Gavial
wait the tracker hit you?

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:13 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:09 pm Also if you really think I’m scum with Miz why didn’t I perform the kill?
According to the Tracker I didn’t visit anyone.

what kinda

the tracker is dead though

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:17 pm**

or gira is a wolf and alison is not
and I can wipe my hands from this game lmao
still wouldn't hate Arrow in the case
it is what it is

Alison's vote is just as bad as Arrows in my opinion

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:18 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:08 pm Ok so while I was at work I was thinking of the possibility that Alison is bussing Mizery and I think if that is the case it’s a good play on their part but fucks us (especially me) over.
Because in that case:
Mizery goes over (-) Alison is in a great position tomorrow and I’m in the worst one i had all game
Alison goes over (-) they kill me and Wisp votes Gira and we lose.

@Wisp
Remember if I die tonight, don’t instantly vote Gira, make sure it isn’t Mizery! Treat them as equals don’t just lock town Miz because Alison voted them.

You make absolutely zero sense

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:18 pm**

In what world would i crossvote a teammate at lylo

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:19 pm**

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:17 pm or gira is a wolf and alison is not
and I can wipe my hands from this game lmao
still wouldn't hate Arrow in the case
it is what it is

Alison's vote is just as bad as Arrows in my opinion

If that is the world we live in then your vote is worse than both of us combined.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:20 pm**

I do not believe wolf!Alison handles wolf!Mizery that way
she is fully capable of killing literally anyone else
fully evident in her push against me

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:20 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:19 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:17 pm or gira is a wolf and alison is not
and I can wipe my hands from this game lmao
still wouldn't hate Arrow in the case
it is what it is

Alison's vote is just as bad as Arrows in my opinion
If that is the world we live in then your vote is worse than both of us combined.

what

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:22 pm**

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:19 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:17 pm or gira is a wolf and alison is not
and I can wipe my hands from this game lmao
still wouldn't hate Arrow in the case
it is what it is

Alison's vote is just as bad as Arrows in my opinion
If that is the world we live in then your vote is worse than both of us combined.
what

In that world the sins that me and Gavial have committed are simply to tunnel someone falsely

But what you did was to watch a wolf blatantly set up a townie to be quickhammered and instead of murdering them for it you decide to copy their methods the following day phase

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:22 pm**

everything hurts imma go pick up my dad from work

hopefully when i come back there'll be a gira and alsion will have posted her case on me

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:23 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:22 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:19 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:17 pm or gira is a wolf and alison is not
and I can wipe my hands from this game lmao
still wouldn't hate Arrow in the case
it is what it is

Alison's vote is just as bad as Arrows in my opinion
If that is the world we live in then your vote is worse than both of us combined.
what
In that world the sins that me and Gavial have committed are simply to tunnel someone falsely

But what you did was to watch a wolf blatantly set up a townie to be quickhammered and instead of murdering them for it you decide to copy their methods the following day phase

ya im still lost

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:25 pm**

I wouldn't even be annoyed if you had said something like "well, you were wrong on LC, and both LC and Ender said you had to die, so I'm policying you". It's not a sin to be wrong in LyLo and it's fair to want to vote me off for that. Wrong vote, but that's life.

I am specifically annoyed at your choosing of the worst possible reasons to suspect me, especially the part where you thought it was scummy for me to be upset with people for ruining my game.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:25 pm**

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:22 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:19 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:17 pm or gira is a wolf and alison is not
and I can wipe my hands from this game lmao
still wouldn't hate Arrow in the case
it is what it is

Alison's vote is just as bad as Arrows in my opinion
If that is the world we live in then your vote is worse than both of us combined.
what
In that world the sins that me and Gavial have committed are simply to tunnel someone falsely

But what you did was to watch a wolf blatantly set up a townie to be quickhammered and instead of murdering them for it you decide to copy their methods the following day phase
ya im still lost

No you aren't. You know exactly what I'm talking about because I said that already at the start of the day phase and you were in that convo.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:27 pm**

I will re-iterate again, since you like to respond like that
"Ya im still lost"

stop with these kinds of responses please

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:29 pm**

In the world where the team is Mizery + Gira, and Gavial + me + you are all town:

Your actions are worse than Gavial + mine's combined.

Gavial's sin was to tunnel me.

My sin was to tunnel LC.

These things are bad but they aren't something to blast someone over. Everyone tunnels badly from time to time and I don't begrudge you your vote on Dizzy for example.

The reason why you are worse than the two of us combined is because you saw Mizery + Tessepia quickhammering Ender together, and instead of punishing Mizery for it, you decide to quickhammer yourself the next day.

That is why I made that remark.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:30 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:25 pm I wouldn't even be annoyed if you had said something like "well, you were wrong on LC, and both LC and Ender said you had to die, so I'm policying you". It's not a sin to be wrong in LyLo and it's fair to want to vote me off for that. Wrong vote, but that's life.

I am specifically annoyed at your choosing of the worst possible reasons to suspect me, especially the part where you thought it was scummy for me to be upset with people for ruining my game.

you don't get to speed vote in lylo, and pretend that even if there exists many problems with this game and their players
that you don't add to the long list of problems, while playing in a petty way

I do necessarily think that makes you wolfy, and I don't agree with either Mizery or Arrow, that you haven't been re-evaluating
else I wouldn't even still be thinking about the possibility of you being town here

and Gira makes a good point about what makes you very unlikely to be a wolf with Tess

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:32 pm**

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:30 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:25 pm I wouldn't even be annoyed if you had said something like "well, you were wrong on LC, and both LC and Ender said you had to die, so I'm policying you". It's not a sin to be wrong in LyLo and it's fair to want to vote me off for that. Wrong vote, but that's life.

I am specifically annoyed at your choosing of the worst possible reasons to suspect me, especially the part where you thought it was scummy for me to be upset with people for ruining my game.
you don't get to speed vote in lylo, and pretend that even if there exists many problems with this game and their players
that you don't add to the long list of problems, while playing in a petty way

I do necessarily think that makes you wolfy, and I don't agree with either Mizery or Arrow, that you haven't been re-evaluating
else I wouldn't even still be thinking about the possibility of you being town here

and Gira makes a good point about what makes you very unlikely to be a wolf with Tess

My speed vote was correct and I was never voting anywhere but Mizery after she pulled that stunt with Ender. There is no benefit to ever holding my vote there. It is strictly correct if I am never changing my mind because it maximizes time for town to solve the dichotomy.

You have to be extremely egoistical to pretend as though I was creating problems for the game when I voted properly and continued to play the game properly. If you have a problem with my actions I suggest you lay it out with me right now exactly what I did that was trolling.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:33 pm**

it didnt matter, Tess was already going to quick hammer as soon as she got around to it
and most of Mizery's iso is just -ev town shit
another large problem in this game

@Mizery
honestly, she is right, I should fucking bury you for not only doing it once, but twice

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:34 pm**

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:33 pm it didnt matter, Tess was already going to quick hammer as soon as she got around to it
and most of Mizery's iso is just -ev town shit
another large problem in this game

@Mizery
honestly, she is right, I should fucking bury you for not only doing it once, but twice

It mattered because Mizery put Ender at L-1. That is not something a townie does because it is as good as hammering Ender if you are wrong on him.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:35 pm**

old Wisp was egoistical, I understand why town!Alison plays the way she does
but I still think the game isn't as simple as town players don't do -ev shit

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:36 pm**

@Alison
wait did I say you were trolling? because that is most certainly not the case

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:37 pm**

My philosophy is to punish players for doing -EV shit regardless of alignment. I have done it before and I will do it again. If someone acts like a third impostor I will treat them like one. If I can't treat them like one then I will tell them straight to their face that they are griefing.

It may shock you to learn that I don't play like this to buff up my ego. There are many games where I am content to lay back and be a follower or work together with a towncore. I play in every game the way in which I think is optimal for that game. This game was desperately in need of someone to tell people what to do, and so I did it.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:37 pm**

But I get why you forced that vote either way

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:40 pm**

I used to spend a lot of time punishing players for -ev shit, and than I stopped having fun, because where I am from, it tended to mostly come from town
so that can be where the huge split in our ideologies come from, and I just never went back to punishing it

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:45 pm**

@Wisp
Remember what I said Day 2 about Alison.
They are deep wolf that is trying to push LHF.
Think about it.

If they thought I was wolf with Miz why not vote me?
Why not vote you?

Their goal is to get LHF.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:45 pm**

You don't understand that the win condition listed on the town role card is "kill all the mafia", not "keep all the town alive".

There are townies where if you kill them the game is instantly solved.

There are townies where if they are left alive they will block you from killing mafia.

It is pointless to regret killing these townies.

Sure, you can't punish everyone who does -EV shit, and you only Quick thinks they are all scum.

But at some point I reach an equanimity where I understand that their alignment doesn't matter and that the only way to advance the game in the proper direction is to kill them. It doesn't matter or not whether they are town. Being afraid to kill someone because you don't want to be embarrassed when they flip town is way more ego-driven than just mechanically executing someone because you realize it is +EV for town either way.

This is why I instructed those who believed the me/LC thunderdome was T/T to vote one of us anyway. Because guess what? We would be fucked 10x harder if LC was in this LyLo with us.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:47 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:19 pm I may as well claim as well since that'll put the bullet between the tracker and the cop.

N1 Gavi didn't go anywhere
N2 Luckbox returned no result (likely because of their murder)

Gavi = Gira?
Or
Gavi = Gavial

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:48 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:45 pm @Wisp
Remember what I said Day 2 about Alison.
They are deep wolf that is trying to push LHF.
Think about it.

If they thought I was wolf with Miz why not vote me?
Why not vote you?

Their goal is to get LHF.

they explained exactly why they voted Mizery, LHF is such a bad term
Mizery had many opportunities to play the game, and not do bad stuff

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:50 pm**

man maybe I should go back to the old Wisp play-style

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:55 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:49 pm I hope Gira is scum so they come back, end the game, and you can see the error of your ways without delay.

hi

sorry to say i'm not

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:56 pm**

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:55 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:49 pm I hope Gira is scum so they come back, end the game, and you can see the error of your ways without delay.
hi

sorry to say i'm not

welcome back

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:57 pm**

back, going to catch what i missed

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:59 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:19 pm Gira and Alison went from SRing each other Day 1 to conveniently Lock towning each other in the same day phase.

i have quite literally never lock towned her this game. my read softened but there was always doubt

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:59 pm**

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:33 pm it didnt matter, Tess was already going to quick hammer as soon as she got around to it
and most of Mizery's iso is just -ev town shit
another large problem in this game

@Mizery
honestly, she is right, I should fucking bury you for not only doing it once, but twice

When did i do that a second time

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:00 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:45 pm You don't understand that the win condition listed on the town role card is "kill all the mafia", not "keep all the town alive".

There are townies where if you kill them the game is instantly solved.

There are townies where if they are left alive they will block you from killing mafia.

It is pointless to regret killing these townies.

Sure, you can't punish everyone who does -EV shit, and you only Quick thinks they are all scum.

But at some point I reach an equanimity where I understand that their alignment doesn't matter and that the only way to advance the game in the proper direction is to kill them. It doesn't matter or not whether they are town. Being afraid to kill someone because you don't want to be embarrassed when they flip town is way more ego-driven than just mechanically executing someone because you realize it is +EV for town either way.

This is why I instructed those who believed the me/LC thunderdome was T/T to vote one of us anyway. Because guess what? We would be fucked 10x harder if LC was in this LyLo with us.

Thing is you used the “LHF” accusation already on Lime Coke.
Your just repeating yourself.

Your accusation was valid during Day 2 with Lime Coke but now your accusation doesn’t add because it’s LYLO.

You are powerwolf going through the same routine to try and win and unfortunately for you it isn’t gonna work on me.
During LYLO it isn’t about how bad someone is playing it’s about making sure your positive on them being scum and instantly voting someone immediately doesn’t really secure that position on being absolutely “positive”.

Posted: **Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:01 pm**

The reason I voted you is because of the way you were responding to me not voting you made me know for sure “positivity” you were scum Alison.

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