The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:29 pm**

Boq and Fingers are the same alignment, I think.

Fingers has been kind of giving boq some pursed lips contrary to thread consensus. Boq called Fingers out for being passive aggressive towards him. Later boq is using this to town read Fingers, because going against the grain and not accepting his placement as consensus town is town indicative to him. Which I do think is somewhat valid, although a little bit weak I guess, now that I think about it. But yeah... let me just have this train of thought fizzle out, there we go

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo
You said you thought there was one scum between Boq and JJJ earlier.
towncore fell apart, me and jjj got sussed. now dizzy is making a new one. I really dislike how that happened, especially since marmot and ender have been continually sussing me and seanzie died who ended up town reading me died, now marmot is back on his wagon. since the breakdown of towncore happened this way I doubt the living members are scum

Wait. What are you saying here?

You doubt jjj or boq are scum because some people sussed you and I named my own town core?

Can you explain this further? Did your opinion on there being a mafia in boq/jimmay change and how?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm Mac is the policy night 1 mafia kill when he's town

Not saying I was surprised. But he also seems to get what he wants, and if he was wrong about ALL of you/Dizzy/Creature/Wilgy, chances seem decent he'd help get at least one of them chopped.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo
You said you thought there was one scum between Boq and JJJ earlier.
towncore fell apart, me and jjj got sussed. now dizzy is making a new one. I really dislike how that happened, especially since marmot and ender have been continually sussing me and seanzie died who ended up town reading me died, now marmot is back on his wagon. since the breakdown of towncore happened this way I doubt the living members are scum
Wait. What are you saying here?

You doubt jjj or boq are scum because some people sussed you and I named my own town core?

Can you explain this further? Did your opinion on there being a mafia in boq/jimmay change and how?

I explained that very poorly, time to try again

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:34 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:34 pmI believe Alison is town. If one of that group is wolf, I think it's Jay. But I still lean town on all of them
Hm.

Dating is more fun than mafia sometimes. Most of the time actually. But not all the time.

Dating is definitely more fun than mafia.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:34 pm**

I'm feeling a little better about dizzy lately

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:35 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:34 pm I'm feeling a little better about dizzy lately

FIGHT CRIME TOGETHER

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:35 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:17 pm I think I'm reconstructing a town core here (before being done reading of course)

Alison
Nate
Marmot

Is that cool?

Like, I'd add Ender, but I don't want to be a doofus
that's a gross town core all due respect

That towncore is me and two of my townreads. I like it. Why is it gross?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:36 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:34 pm I'm feeling a little better about dizzy lately
FIGHT CRIME TOGETHER

Thunk: wolves can't pocket you if you pocket them first

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:37 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo
You said you thought there was one scum between Boq and JJJ earlier.
towncore fell apart, me and jjj got sussed. now dizzy is making a new one. I really dislike how that happened, especially since marmot and ender have been continually sussing me and seanzie died who ended up town reading me died, now marmot is back on his wagon. since the breakdown of towncore happened this way I doubt the living members are scum

You changed your mind on JJJ + Boq having one scum, because you think the two of them have been set up to look bad and they are thus town? Is that correct?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:37 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:20 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:17 pm I think I'm reconstructing a town core here (before being done reading of course)

Alison
Nate
Marmot

Is that cool?

Like, I'd add Ender, but I don't want to be a doofus
Lucy
jjj
boq
creature
fs
rondo

would be where 3 mafia are lol

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo

I don't think your scumlist and towncore are supposed to have 100% overlap..

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:37 pm**

23 minutes until intermission

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm**

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:37 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:20 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:17 pm I think I'm reconstructing a town core here (before being done reading of course)

Alison
Nate
Marmot

Is that cool?

Like, I'd add Ender, but I don't want to be a doofus
Lucy
jjj
boq
creature
fs
rondo

would be where 3 mafia are lol

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo
I don't think your scumlist and towncore are supposed to have 100% overlap..

She was speaking from dizzys pov

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:16 amHave I gotten better or worse in regards to a policy chop? I toned down my meming per-request

I'm finding you quite pleasant this game. You also have good content and callouts between meming and jokes. I'm struggling to understand your summarised world view though. Haven't read everything yet, but interested to see this if you have one.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo
You said you thought there was one scum between Boq and JJJ earlier.
towncore fell apart, me and jjj got sussed. now dizzy is making a new one. I really dislike how that happened, especially since marmot and ender have been continually sussing me and seanzie died who ended up town reading me died, now marmot is back on his wagon. since the breakdown of towncore happened this way I doubt the living members are scum
Wait. What are you saying here?

You doubt jjj or boq are scum because some people sussed you and I named my own town core?

Can you explain this further? Did your opinion on there being a mafia in boq/jimmay change and how?

there were always people going against the grain of not townreading a towncore, particularly ender and marmot. after 2 mislynches and nothing to show for it, with Mac and seanzie dying (seanzie who was about to lead town until a NK the following night) everyone is getting antsy. I feel like it was not random that I was sussed in the manner that I was, especially with ender and marmot hopping on seanzies push and hopping off after (and a long time after) seanzie hopped off. I haven't looked closely at how jjj attracted sus, but that happened. seeing as how you and marmot are reforming a towncore is alarming to me because the breakdown of towncore felt very strategic, thus the remaining members are not scum since they would have encouraged the previous towncore if it was infiltrated and they would retain their influence and thread control. however that's not how things worked out

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm**

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:15 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pm The timestamps for me are 7:26am for the vote post and 1:18pm for the next one, so it looks like they switched their vote to Wilgy and then dipped for a few hours, fine. But the poll doesn't match up. I was taking screenshots every once in a while, and a screenshot at 9:22am shows Dizzy's vote still on Fingersplints, the next screenshot at 10:58am shows the vote now on Wilgy. So basically somewhere between 2-4 hours after the vote post is when they voted in the poll, during a time when they weren't otherwise posting in the thread. Does this say anything about their alignment? No, I don't think it does. But it does lend some support to my gut feeling that they're not as disengaged as they appear, which is why I wanted some more eyes on them today.
I wouldn't touch Nate until FX.
This amuses me because you cleared me for a timestamp read in that hydra game. At least you're consistent

Oh shit, did I?

Well the last three people I cleared off timestamp reads didn't replicate it in their scum games so I'm still gonna trust it. I will be using timestamp reads until I get burned for them and it's been 4 years and I haven't.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:39 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:36 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:34 pm I'm feeling a little better about dizzy lately
FIGHT CRIME TOGETHER
Thunk: wolves can't pocket you if you pocket them first

WOLVES DONT BEED TO POCKET OTGER WOLVES

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:39 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:37 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:20 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:17 pm I think I'm reconstructing a town core here (before being done reading of course)

Alison
Nate
Marmot

Is that cool?

Like, I'd add Ender, but I don't want to be a doofus
Lucy
jjj
boq
creature
fs
rondo

would be where 3 mafia are lol

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo
I don't think your scumlist and towncore are supposed to have 100% overlap..
She was speaking from dizzys pov

Ah, that makes much more sense.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:35 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:17 pm I think I'm reconstructing a town core here (before being done reading of course)

Alison
Nate
Marmot

Is that cool?

Like, I'd add Ender, but I don't want to be a doofus
that's a gross town core all due respect
That towncore is me and two of my townreads. I like it. Why is it gross?

because marmot is a 99% scum read for me

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo
You said you thought there was one scum between Boq and JJJ earlier.
towncore fell apart, me and jjj got sussed. now dizzy is making a new one. I really dislike how that happened, especially since marmot and ender have been continually sussing me and seanzie died who ended up town reading me died, now marmot is back on his wagon. since the breakdown of towncore happened this way I doubt the living members are scum
Wait. What are you saying here?

You doubt jjj or boq are scum because some people sussed you and I named my own town core?

Can you explain this further? Did your opinion on there being a mafia in boq/jimmay change and how?
there were always people going against the grain of not townreading a towncore, particularly ender and marmot. after 2 mislynches and nothing to show for it, with Mac and seanzie dying (seanzie who was about to lead town until a NK the following night) everyone is getting antsy. I feel like it was not random that I was sussed in the manner that I was, especially with ender and marmot hopping on seanzies push and hopping off after (and a long time after) seanzie hopped off. I haven't looked closely at how jjj attracted sus, but that happened. seeing as how you and marmot are reforming a towncore is alarming to me because the breakdown of towncore felt very strategic, thus the remaining members are not scum since they would have encouraged the previous towncore if it was infiltrated and they would retain their influence and thread control. however that's not how things worked out

Not trying to be any more dense than I am, but I still don't get it. Maybe someone else does.

I guess you're also saying you don't trust me and Marmot?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmbecause marmot is a 99% scum read for me

Wow. Get rest @Marmot

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm because marmot is a 99% scum read for me

I would really love to hear more about that

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:19 pm Who is your towncore lucy?
boq, jjj, rondo
You said you thought there was one scum between Boq and JJJ earlier.
towncore fell apart, me and jjj got sussed. now dizzy is making a new one. I really dislike how that happened, especially since marmot and ender have been continually sussing me and seanzie died who ended up town reading me died, now marmot is back on his wagon. since the breakdown of towncore happened this way I doubt the living members are scum
Wait. What are you saying here?

You doubt jjj or boq are scum because some people sussed you and I named my own town core?

Can you explain this further? Did your opinion on there being a mafia in boq/jimmay change and how?
there were always people going against the grain of not townreading a towncore, particularly ender and marmot. after 2 mislynches and nothing to show for it, with Mac and seanzie dying (seanzie who was about to lead town until a NK the following night) everyone is getting antsy. I feel like it was not random that I was sussed in the manner that I was, especially with ender and marmot hopping on seanzies push and hopping off after (and a long time after) seanzie hopped off. I haven't looked closely at how jjj attracted sus, but that happened. seeing as how you and marmot are reforming a towncore is alarming to me because the breakdown of towncore felt very strategic, thus the remaining members are not scum since they would have encouraged the previous towncore if it was infiltrated and they would retain their influence and thread control. however that's not how things worked out
Not trying to be any more dense than I am, but I still don't get it. Maybe someone else does.

I guess you're also saying you don't trust me and Marmot?

correct

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:42 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmbecause marmot is a 99% scum read for me
Wow. Get rest @Marmot

Rekt* But also get some rest bb

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:42 pm**

Let's ISO lucy

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I think that, with lucy, there is value in starting with an understanding of her origins. She comes from a chat mafia landscape, and that likely encourages posts of a certain Discord-friendly structure (one line, sentence > paragraph, stream of thought, real-time > detached). Her games have also largely been very different to mountainous save for champs Game 7. This may or may not prove meaningful, but it's a frame for interpreting lucy.

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lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 pm i got warned about this lobby lol, do you reckon it’ll be a casual or very competitive game?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:11 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:10 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 pm i got warned about this lobby lol, do you reckon it’ll be a casual or very competitive game?
if my last game was anything to go by, casual, if Alison is anything to go by, Competitive
will you play casually this game too?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:13 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:11 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:10 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 pm i got warned about this lobby lol, do you reckon it’ll be a casual or very competitive game?
if my last game was anything to go by, casual, if Alison is anything to go by, Competitive
will you play casually this game too?
I play casually every game, even when I Should be competitive. What about you? You seem to be taking this PREEETY serious
just new and inquisitive, but i’ll certainly try

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:22 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:15 pm @lucy, in your Discord Mafia experience, could you describe just briefly how that feels? I have never played a chat Mafia game. Is it a continuously torrent pace? Are there breaks in the action? Do players come and go at their leisure, or do they hover over the chat game all day? Hell, how long is a typical day phase in that style?
the best of them are similar-ish to forum mafia except people aren’t reading the actual actions of other players, lots of PR’s and very little reads that aren’t based off NK’s and other deaths/failed tunnels/cop investigations. it’s live chat but also 24/24 where people are talking (not usually about the actual game though) and eventually some reads do occur out of live chatting and they’re voted on until they claim/fake claim, clusterfucks. most people make themselves available to talk for a bit more than once a day, there are breaks in actions. and at the end of the game all the active players are dead and it’s basically a coin toss of who wins because the alive players haven’t played the game closely at all, since they’re alive
Thanks, lucy. That sounds like... the opposite of forum mountainous.

Anyway it helps me to have a more complete impression of where you come from.
course, have you ever played live chat mafia or forum mafia since day 1?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:44 pm so you read people by live chat and are used to short games?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:44 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:43 pm This is also my second forum game, @lucy . (Well, second solo game. I played a hydra game last year)
Please copypaste my question for lucy and ask yourself it, and then address your answer to me if you would be so kind.
^^

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:48 pm does pretty much everyone in this lobby know one another?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:34 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:30 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:27 pm what did you think it was?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:26 pm I thought we were just talking

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:25 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:24 pm check out Robert Eggars if you want very good films to make you feel very uncomfortable
trying to get in my pocket are you? Or is it put me in yours? I dont know all the lingo yet but Im watching you
I have had people who I got into a good talk about good tv shows before put a blind spot on me because I didnt want to figure out their slot because we were enjoying each others company. They were wolf and we lost so hard, so I am not letting anything innocent pass
don't make that mistake again, but don't be paranoid about it, you're that easily manipulated?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:57 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:56 pm A few things I wanna say before we get started for those of you who don’t know. Champs, particularly in qualifiers is incredibly scumsided. The current stats are 54 wolf wins to 19 town wins for qualifiers. Not only that but from what I know there has only ever been one town sweep in qualifier game for champs, and my goal is for us to be the second . Few things I’ve picked up from that game and previous champs games this year that I think might be important for us to incorporate and areas where I picked up previous towns went wrong

-This point may already be obvious to some but : the most important thing you can do as a villager is make yourself an obvious villager. The last town that swept was led by Jjj/spf and they encouraged a playstyle that focussed heavily on finding other townies first before hunting for wolves and the best way to facilitate that is by making yourself an obvious townie and taking yourself out of the miselimination pool and working with open communication to find other townies. Champs by nature encourages a glory hunting playstyle where people want to be the one who catches wolves before everyone and be the one to bury wolves but the most successful towns have always been the ones that focussed more on working with each other and finding other townies before trying to bury wolves. If we can all do our part to raise the bar of towniness wolves will eventually out themselves and either be forced to push obvious townies and further out themselves, bus each other or just give up and lolcat.

- if the game starts too feel too easy it probably means there’s something wrong. The stats don’t lie, this is favored for wolves which means it’s not supposed to be easy for us. People often go for the easiest/least accountable votes on d1 but keep in mind wolves have teammates and I’ve rarely seen wolves bus hard d1 in champs. So if the entire lobby is dogpiling on one or two slots d1 don’t get complacent because we could be way off.
im plagiarizing Illario/happy, who was a wolf in my game, but I found this advice pretty good nonetheless

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:36 pm Because I think one specifically of that list is wolf
speak now or forever hold your peace

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
As opposed to games with strangers, where he acts as scummy as possible.
he'd get away with more, therefore he'd act more scummy. implying he'll be less scummy as a wolf with experienced players who know how he plays town/mafia

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:33 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:31 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
and also players who may just wolfread him for being the most experienced.
I dealt with that in my homesite

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:50 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:48 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:40 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:34 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:27 pm Is it a bad idea to read JJJ based on how eager he seems to be?
he'll do nothing out of his "town range" because he's playing with players who know him very well
I actually like this post
Is this a view you could expand on just briefly please and thanks
I don't think he has any further reasoning lol
Oh, well since you noticed.

I didnt like your mech talk and your big old "lets be towny town" post so I have been keeping my eye on your lack of substance but that post was a fair call to a good question. So now I am back to !rand
so you didn't have any reasoning? then why send the message?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:08 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:05 pm Second strongest is me and you.
Who fits best with Ender?
Probably Lucy for my sideways positioning with her involved without directly providing thoughts on her.
can u elaborate on this read, like i'm not sure how to make this read without an objective being pushed

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:19 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:15 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:08 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:05 pm Second strongest is me and you.
Who fits best with Ender?
Probably Lucy for my sideways positioning with her involved without directly providing thoughts on her.
can u elaborate on this read, like i'm not sure how to make this read without an objective being pushed
I was asked who I have currently most equity on, and answered.

I didn't put a lot of thought into it tbh.
also doesn't the message imply you have thoughts on me, if so can u share with the class

Lucy started the game with a flurry of posts: 85 during the 24 hours of Day 0. She explicitly indicated that she thought Day 0 was intended as a time for getting to know people more than Being Serious (which, by the way, is a really nice thought for future Days 0 regardless of lucy's alignment). She did not really make reads during this period. Perhaps the Day 0 vibe can be called an excuse. To get a better grip of this I have compiled a bunch of lucy posts from this period that, while not "reads", may reflect some kind of process or effort by lucy to make getting reads possible.

This isn't every such post, but it's many of them. If I double the number to be generous, that gives me 35-40 halfway game-relevant posts out of the 85. That's not a bad rate considering the context of lucy's interpretation of the phase. If that's too generous, I'm not sure the point diminishes much. In any event take this all as a small point, because in the end -- concrete reads have more power.

The content continues through Day 1 and takes on basically the same shape. I could quote all that stuff again, but I don't think it would be an insightful addition to this review. In all, if my counting is accurate, lucy finished Day 1 at 179 posts, which reflects 58% of her current total post count. That's actually lower than I anticipated, because while she has slowed down since the early game, she hasn't fallen off the map. When she is in the thread she seems to make it count at least in terms of being active.

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This was the 8th vote on the falcon wagon and the last vote anyone placed on Day 1. That placement doesn't mean a whole lot to me. The severe language of the suspicion is striking though. This first post is rather one-of-a-kind in the lucy ISO so far (and to my immediate memory, in all her posts this game). I can't recall if lucy expanded on this later, so I'll see.

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Perhaps an early Day 2 indicator that lucy is attentive to Marmot specifically (a theme more recently). In context though it just looks like she's talking to someone who's present in the moment. Her next eight posts in a row all address Marmot. This may mean nothing, but it's logged for future reference if appropriate.

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This post came 22 hours after her previous post. We all work, so that's okay. I'm just noting the time stamp, because it relates to my off-hand view that lucy's activity fell off. An entire day away from the thread will do that.

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This is a strange post. I am not surprised it caused a minor kerfuffle at the time. I think the orange bit is a fair assessment of Seanzie, and the green bit is demonstrably untrue. I am not sure what the mafia agenda is to just "lie" about this, but it also seems like lucy was attentive enough to Seanzie's posts to see him pressing people. She may just have a very different notion of what it is to "press". I'm also unclear on why Seanzie, specifically Seanzie, comes with this expectation. It's just kinda

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Seanzie wondered the same thing I did and lucy provided an answer. I don't really understand it. The description lucy provides for what Seanzie has done seems to be what she said Seanzie has not done. This may be semantic in the end, but I can understand Seanzie's concern in the moment -- that lucy received tips about Seanzie's play outside the game thread. Perhaps that can relate to mafia chat, or perhaps it's part of the warnings she received about the lobby before the game, or perhaps neither.

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Have we ever determined what this was about?

Addendum -- appears to have been this. It strikes me as an uncharitable take.

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Alright. I don't object to the spirit of the thing. I admire the gusto.

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There've been a couple moments like this one where lucy drops a diss on Ender. Meaning may be Ender-dependent.

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Marmot/Boq has clearly been important to lucy for a few days. I think I like that lucy even noticed this dynamic and decided to do something with it.

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This is something I commented on earlier in the thread. By this point my view of lucy had degraded from a comfortable town read to something less than that, and lucy suspected foul play. I appreciate that she directly addressed Seanzie to hash out this point about Marmot and I. It would have been pretty easy to just lay down some shade, but lucy took enough care to ask for someone's perspective first.

Perhaps I am generous there given that she asked Seanzie, someone who had voiced unease about me. Nonetheless it's something.

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She continued to explore this concern about Marmot and I with direct addresses that, at least in the case of the first post here, get straight to the point. That's a nice thing.

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There isn't a "sleep" option in the poll, so this can be taken as an "unvote". She'd been on Ender previously, and this made the poll Wilgy 4, fingersplints 3, Ender 2, Creature 2 (per Nate's breakdown) about 25 minutes before the Day 2 poll closed. The rationale is fine. Ties are horrible in this version of the setup and should be avoided. It might have more meaning later with other flips in tow.

That's it through Day 2.

Conclusion

I'm not sure how useful this was to me. As I suggested earlier, the chat Mafia aesthetic is not especially amenable to a forum-styled ISO review. Many of the points I made in this I felt like I had to squeeze harder than I would like to derive a perspective, because it's not hard to see posts through multiple lenses good or bad. There are little tidbits I like, albeit with a low degree of confidence. Holistically I am less sure about the direction of lucy's hunt beyond exactly "attentive to Marmot and Boq". I am still developing my overall view of the game, but I suspect lucy will fall into a fringe POE region.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:42 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm because marmot is a 99% scum read for me
I would really love to hear more about that

it's intuition, I'll give a case after the break cause 20 minutes is too short

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:42 pm**

The break is a godsend. I ought to be able to keep digging distraction-free.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:42 pm**

Rondo has been surprisingly absent today, hope to hear from him in day 3.2

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect

Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:15 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pm The timestamps for me are 7:26am for the vote post and 1:18pm for the next one, so it looks like they switched their vote to Wilgy and then dipped for a few hours, fine. But the poll doesn't match up. I was taking screenshots every once in a while, and a screenshot at 9:22am shows Dizzy's vote still on Fingersplints, the next screenshot at 10:58am shows the vote now on Wilgy. So basically somewhere between 2-4 hours after the vote post is when they voted in the poll, during a time when they weren't otherwise posting in the thread. Does this say anything about their alignment? No, I don't think it does. But it does lend some support to my gut feeling that they're not as disengaged as they appear, which is why I wanted some more eyes on them today.
I wouldn't touch Nate until FX.
This amuses me because you cleared me for a timestamp read in that hydra game. At least you're consistent :D
Oh shit, did I?

Well the last three people I cleared off timestamp reads didn't replicate it in their scum games so I'm still gonna trust it. I will be using timestamp reads until I get burned for them and it's been 4 years and I haven't.

You were also a wolf there trying to get me to back off you, so I wasn't sure if was an actual read or just strategic.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmbecause marmot is a 99% scum read for me
Wow. Get rest @Marmot

I do plan on sleeping well tonight

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm**

Maybe breaks should be a regular thing. 72/24 with 24 hours off during the day sounds kind of amazing

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm**

@Marmot could you quickly describe how your view of Dizzy has changed over this page or two?

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:42 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm because marmot is a 99% scum read for me
I would really love to hear more about that
it's intuition, I'll give a case after the break cause 20 minutes is too short

I look forward to it

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm**

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:15 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pm The timestamps for me are 7:26am for the vote post and 1:18pm for the next one, so it looks like they switched their vote to Wilgy and then dipped for a few hours, fine. But the poll doesn't match up. I was taking screenshots every once in a while, and a screenshot at 9:22am shows Dizzy's vote still on Fingersplints, the next screenshot at 10:58am shows the vote now on Wilgy. So basically somewhere between 2-4 hours after the vote post is when they voted in the poll, during a time when they weren't otherwise posting in the thread. Does this say anything about their alignment? No, I don't think it does. But it does lend some support to my gut feeling that they're not as disengaged as they appear, which is why I wanted some more eyes on them today.
I wouldn't touch Nate until FX.
This amuses me because you cleared me for a timestamp read in that hydra game. At least you're consistent
Oh shit, did I?

Well the last three people I cleared off timestamp reads didn't replicate it in their scum games so I'm still gonna trust it. I will be using timestamp reads until I get burned for them and it's been 4 years and I haven't.
You were also a wolf there trying to get me to back off you, so I wasn't sure if was an actual read or just strategic.

I don't remember that game, but if I was a wolf I was probably just mimicking my town play. I am notorious for being an ardent believer in clear people who make timestamp reads.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmbecause marmot is a 99% scum read for me
Wow. Get rest @Marmot
Bless!

I do plan on sleeping well tonight

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm Maybe breaks should be a regular thing. 72/24 with 24 hours off during the day sounds kind of amazing

Dude. For real though

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm Maybe breaks should be a regular thing. 72/24 with 24 hours off during the day sounds kind of amazing

I'm strongly considering testing it in future games

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:46 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm @Marmot could you quickly describe how your view of Dizzy has changed over this page or two?

I'm pocketing him and it's working.

Your move, Jimmay-boop

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:47 pm**

I think much of my view on lucy will be shaped by her Marmot case. So no pressure.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:47 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm @Marmot could you quickly describe how your view of Dizzy has changed over this page or two?

He feels less performative and more like he's feeling the desire to hunt. I think that's how I can best describe it

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:48 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm Maybe breaks should be a regular thing. 72/24 with 24 hours off during the day sounds kind of amazing

I kind of think the extra time would be slightly townsided, but maybe it would actually balance mountainous a bit.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:48 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm @Marmot could you quickly describe how your view of Dizzy has changed over this page or two?
I'm pocketing him and it's working.

Your move, Jimmay-boop

Be sure to pocket me at your earliest convenience.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:48 pm**

This game is probably too tame btw.

I endorse Lucy's hard line

In fact

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

I won't let her take down me and my buddy, Marmot.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:48 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm Maybe breaks should be a regular thing. 72/24 with 24 hours off during the day sounds kind of amazing
I'm strongly considering testing it in future games

I think I wouldn't like them.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:49 pm**

There is reason to town read Lucy tbh.
But also, she's been damn awkward when pressured.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm @Marmot could you quickly describe how your view of Dizzy has changed over this page or two?
He feels less performative and more like he's feeling the desire to hunt. I think that's how I can best describe it

I'm struggling with my desire to hunt

But I do have a desire to know who the mafia are.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:48 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm Maybe breaks should be a regular thing. 72/24 with 24 hours off during the day sounds kind of amazing
I'm strongly considering testing it in future games
I think I wouldn't like them.

Fair

I know that I wouldn't implement them Day 1 fwiw, or lylo

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm**

It would be so cool if Marmot was mafia. I would really love that.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect
Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.

you came on all of a sudden with a big chat presence after being on poe, and your explanations are very forcing. either I'm misreading you completely or there is an agenda, and I'm a pessimist

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:52 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm It would be so cool if Marmot was mafia. I would really love that.

Your wish is my command

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