Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[Thunal33]

Can I get everyone's two most confident townreads?
Specifically asking the POE here.

besides Robyn/Cape stuff

@Scotty
@DarlingMonroe
@LoRab
@DrWilgy
@S~V~S
@Thunal33

you/Abi.

[Thunal33]

Also, unless Robyn would like to come out here and explain to me exactly what teams they think are plausible from J^3's POE, I will be frankly ignoring that until I can come to a reasonably informed view of the game before I revisit J^3's magnum opus.

The odds of JJJ getting a correct PoE of 6 are really small. That's why I've seen extremely good townies complain that it's easy to clear one wolf and then town will follow the wrong legacy. I don't think there are three in LoRab, Scotty, SVS, and Abigail and I'm going to look outside it today.

Do you trust me?

No, I really don't.

[Thunal33]

I had some tinfoil on Wilgy and while I still do, I feel better reading his ISO and he's not someone I'd vote today.

Michelle is, underwhelming, but I can at least see where t Michelle sees Robyns inquiry towards J as weird.

I wouldn't yeet.

[VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine

Michelle has parsable data, Seanzoe doesn't.

He changed his mind on Michelle day 1 because he didn't want the zero poster dead but I'm wondering if it makes sense for him as a wolf. If he had voted Seanzie I feel like JJJ and others would know he wouldn't want to kill the zero poster. Still, he could have just not voted.

Anyways, I think DrWigly is town for the way he handled EOD yesterday

@DrWilgy Can I ask why you scumread robyn? They are probably my top townread right now

Robyn is aware enough to point out that I've observed the dichotomy between them and Bereft. Energy level is not what I associate with T Robyn. Movement on poll is very forceful.

If they get a pelt doing as they do, fine, but until they flip someone, or flip themselves, it's hard to not observe such a heavy hand with interactions as such with Bereft and not see it as knowing.

Your interactions seem to vary as much as anything else, but I feel as if I've seen it more from W Robyn.

I've never seen passive Robyn flipped d1 and not been town.

Those aspects are very minute in where I see you falling though. I could just as easily start yelling Bereft's the wolf and there'd only be a 10% difference between you, until I have known cause of the dichotomy.

Other aspects such as wagons/patterns I'll likely review later to see if this guy feeling matches reality.

I think Wilgy pushing robyn here before doing analysis is a good look. It seems very disconnected from the thread.

The amount of people including me in their town reads reeks of agenda.

This is a blanket statement that I’m a little wary of. Usually this kind of statement includes exactly who has the agenda townreading him.

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

I think this is pretty good nuance and slightly town AI.

I'd quicker toss Bereft, SVS or Jay.

Do not toss the afk slot two days in a row, please.

Stop letting Robyn, Thunal and Michelle yeet afk slots for free.

Not wanting to kill the afk is good. This casual mention of robyn and me here feels a little sudden.

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Goodnight.

I don’t think the push on me is a wolfy push especially from someone who’s disconnected from the thread.

I was asleep all day and now we yeeting ts.

Which is fine, but surprised to see such a dynamic shift.

Not sure it was a dynamic shift, since the threadstate was against me from the beginning

I guess I just dug my hole deeper, which really feels like I'm getting punished for trying to help? At this point it feels town is set in their path tho and fate is deterministic

Just unlucky

It's hard. We have 0 data on you and your lim makes sense with the exception of you cracking the game open. My advise if you are town is to work on the best legacy possible as that'd help us once we have your true alignment.

If you are town I appreciate your efforts.

Imo, being fine with the ts elim could go either way.

I just went through Jay's ISO flipping through the last few posts to reacquaint myself with the game.

SVS and TS account were on both yeet lists. This is the way.

I do question a little why he didn’t check Jay’s reads earlier than this if he was going to weigh them.

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Ultimately I think him voting Michelle both d1 and d2 is a good look for him. His approach to the game is more consistent with town Wilgy and the few points against him are smaller than the points for him. I'd reevaluate him if the game is shown to be hard but I wouldn't be willing to vote him today.

[Thunal33]

Anyway, will read rest later- doing a full day road trip

Vote SVS with me

Why do you want SVS today?

I did a lot of thinking last night and it just feels right

I think her little dejected post yesterday was tugging at my heartstrings and in hindsight, this isn’t the town SVS I’ve come to know. Could she just not have the time and it is affecting her play regardless of alignment? Yeah, sure.

But feel really good with her at least. I feel like it will open up the game if I’m right

SVS once described her mafia play to me as blending in and not ruffling feathers. I've absolutely seen that this game even when she had time. I find both of you suspicious and I'm still working out who I want to vote.

[Thunal33]

Anyway, will read rest later- doing a full day road trip

Vote SVS with me

Why do you want SVS today?

I did a lot of thinking last night and it just feels right

I think her little dejected post yesterday was tugging at my heartstrings and in hindsight, this isn’t the town SVS I’ve come to know. Could she just not have the time and it is affecting her play regardless of alignment? Yeah, sure.

But feel really good with her at least. I feel like it will open up the game if I’m right

Can you answer why you voted LoRab over Michelle even though you were weirded out by people moving away from Michelle?

[Cape90]

The lack of NK is concerning ....

Like its technically possible that the shot went off and went nowhere but I have reasons to doubt this.

8-3

if I take robyn/you/rondo as town'

I am left looking at

4 town and 3 mafia

i kind of think DrWilgy and SVS are town

2 town 3 mafia

I have a feeling that is contained within the following names

Princess Abigail
DarlingMonroe
LoRab
Scotty
Thunal

Given the SVS voters I feel kind of okay with this

How the fuck... is this worldview real...

If SVS is town how the FUCK am i a wolf

...
you know, I wasn't considering that when i threw this together, but i think ur right, also I have reason to believe u are just town. So I guess just put you as town in the world where SVS is town unless you really go through the self voting charade as wolf which, honestly kinda doubt.

If SVS is mafia, I reconsider... also thinking about it, I think ur town regardless just because of a few things you said despite being a sussy baka otherwise

[Cape90]

Spoiler: show

Guys I'm really sorry, for some reason I am very demoralized right now. Maybe being suspected after literally making one or two posts (for an actual not real reason) then every time I try to explain where I'm coming from, well I can't do it without mentioning Scotty, and he's like fucking Beetlejuice lol.

I had mostly town reads this whole game. Right now I am one zillion percent not caught up.

Town

Robyn, Cape, Rondo. I feel Befert for reasons, some things they've said . Maybe cause Robyn vouches, and I guess they know each other that well? I also feel Abi is town, but that could be a warm fuzzy cause she t/r'ed me early. I find it super unlikely I'll vote for these people. Or even impossible.

Not Sure, no reason to town read these people, but no reason to wolf read them either.

Thunal, Wilgy, they both seem in their possible town meta as I've observed it, Wilgy tries a bit more to act innocuous when he's bad, and Thunal is a bit more level when she's bad, imo. But they've both fooled me, and rather spectacularly might I add lol

Iffy imo (if it's possible Conf Bias, I'll note it):

Darling (possible conf bias), I'm not sure why Jay was so sure of towniness here, maybe cause Darling bolstered his hypotheses? At one point I thought DM and Jay could be the BTS roles, but apparently not. Scotty, I just can't shake it tbh. And the uber aggro way he comes at me every time I say "beetlejuice", um, Scotty, yeah, that's it.

I have no clue:

T's (it appears they've shown up, but I haven't read their posts yet) and LoRab. I doubt LoRab is gonna show, and that makes me sad, maybe more sad than people trying to wagon her on Hanukkah. But that's also based on personal info that I'm fairly sure no one else in game had. LC prolly knew but he was dead. On the night y'all were trying to lynch her, she was having her head shaved as part of a fund raiser for a childrens cancer charity. So I was in here watching pitchforks get shaken at her, and then on social watching her do good in the real world. So I kinda got salty and over reacted I guess.

And someone in my @'s said something about how my Michelle vote was too little too late or something to that effect.

I baldly stated I wanted to save LoRab regardless of affiliation, I wasn't exactly having a ball in here, lol, and wanted to make sure that LoRab wagon hadn't formed before I voted. I voted left the thread and apparently missed the LoRab wagon that subsequently formed.

I'll be back after work to hopefully read some more (like T's posts) and vote.

I will say I don't think S~V~S/LoRab are w/w because of this particular comment

Other then that, this list is very... whatever and generic

That was my initial thought, but I'm kind of going back on it. I think whatever code SVS has for not killing people who are busy irl would apply regardless of the other person's alignment. I don't think it's teammate indicative, but I don't think it prevents them from being teamed.

technically, nothing prevents anyone from being teamed with one another. I find it unlikely for another reason and that reason is LoRab hasn't come back since when I feel like that would happen if both were wolves because of this comment. But that's also me giga braining something

[Cape90]

I am not sure I am a fan of scotty going quiet under this much pressure

Oh give me a break, I’ve been under pressure all game basically. That doesn’t phase me.

I’m a truck stop right now. And am only a page behind but seeing Cape/robyn and the third wheel bereft voting me is just *chefs’s kiss*

I’m feeling pretty good at this point that even with my death you’ll learn a lot

but you obviously want us to kill wolf here if you are town right? Like that's the objective of town here yes?

[Cape90]

The hider gets the person they hid behind killed if they are targeted right?

Thats the impression I got when I read the roles.

that isn't how hiding always works

the only other thing I can think of is the mafia just not deciding night actions on anyone for the night phase, which shows apathy, which to me doesn't make a lot of sense, but it would make LoRab scum if that's the case, but again, idt it makes sense even with the low posters

[Cape90]

wait, so no night kill?

also at least one wolf in: Bereft, Cape, Robyn or Thunal.

They are the only ones who voted to lynch town twice: seanzie and ts account,

It is unfortunate that I quite literally don't see any way that I can reasonably suspect Robyn.

I apologize for my lack of a case at this current moment.

By extension, I also cannot reasonably suspect Cape.

I can reasonably suspect Thunal, but I'd still be hesitant to, given everything.

I believe that today we should try to figure out just what has been going on this game. I think it is pro-ev for town to do so, and will decrease general confusion.

I will vote Scotty in the meantime for no reason other than that I think the Scotty probably tmi'ed ts town but was otherwise the biggest wolf agenda pusher besides robyn, who I unfortunately have no reason to suspect like I have already stated. My opinion on Scotty may change given what I read.

I know I cannot reasonably suspect you but man what does "given everything" mean in terms of your read on Thunal?

How did Scotty TMI TS town? You haven't said ANYTHING about this out loud yesterday

You can. Just because Robyn whispers sweet nothings into your ear doesn’t mean they’re infallible.

He showed up today to try and make a fake casing of Michelle spew, and is still just hiding behind yalls shadow. I don’t know how you can’t see it.

robyn's opinions on things matter the most to me because they are my top town and if Bereft is mafia, I take 0 blame for the loss of this game

[Cape90]

Colin Hughes - Spends most of the series hiding who he really is from his teammates. Hides behind another player once a night.

What about this role?

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Lemme tell you a thing that I think you know and you are trying to be nonchalant about
Okay so check the rolelist. Ted Lasso is a protective role this game, the only... town one (there is the trio mafia person who has a protect). JJJ was Ted Lasso

So looking back at how the day started off. You notice there was NO kill? What could have possibly happened?
Bada Bing Bada Boom the only way for mafia didn't kill anyone if if they targeted the role YOU are questioning here.

I mean if you were town, you would obviously be at least curious about this nobody dying thing and probably look into it for yourself. I did that, I was like "oh" and I carried on with my day.

That is why I heavily question the reaction you gave here. Mafia KNOW EXACTLY who this mysterious Colin guy is I would assume with absolute confidence because that's the person they tried killing last night.

Not necessarily, my dude.

Ok back to driving, got the rest of California to go through before dinner

i don't know what else it could reasonably be

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sorry, I need to go get something to eat actually, have fun while I'm gone. Ugh why did Rondo leave me this awkward time interval.

To drink like a motherfucker

[RondoDimBuckle]

How long till eod?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Robyn, Cape, Bereft, and Abi I have as my towncore rn. Abi singlehandedly changing the elim to Michelle and her play shielding SVS makes me feel very good about her.

Excuse me?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Good hello.

Still busy but I might be able to catch up tonight.

Did anyone get record of the vote counts for the past 2 eods while I was unconscious?

This please please please

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm at a breaking point honestly. Just kill Scotty for my sanity.

Scotty - keeps trying to kill me
DM - lack of knowledge about the game is v indicative in a vacuum
LoRab - both Michelle and SVS at this point have made long posts about how LoRab is essentially a martyr.
Wilgy - strike me as unconcerned
SVS - i havent read their latest posts
Thunal - defended Michelle earnestly

Yeah scotty continually pushing me has really hardened me against any thoughts of him being town

[RondoDimBuckle]

wait, so no night kill?

also at least one wolf in: Bereft, Cape, Robyn or Thunal.

They are the only ones who voted to lynch town twice: seanzie and ts account,

It is unfortunate that I quite literally don't see any way that I can reasonably suspect Robyn.

I apologize for my lack of a case at this current moment.

By extension, I also cannot reasonably suspect Cape.

I can reasonably suspect Thunal, but I'd still be hesitant to, given everything.

I believe that today we should try to figure out just what has been going on this game. I think it is pro-ev for town to do so, and will decrease general confusion.

I will vote Scotty in the meantime for no reason other than that I think the Scotty probably tmi'ed ts town but was otherwise the biggest wolf agenda pusher besides robyn, who I unfortunately have no reason to suspect like I have already stated. My opinion on Scotty may change given what I read.

I know I cannot reasonably suspect you but man what does "given everything" mean in terms of your read on Thunal?

How did Scotty TMI TS town? You haven't said ANYTHING about this out loud yesterday

You can. Just because Robyn whispers sweet nothings into your ear doesn’t mean they’re infallible.

He showed up today to try and make a fake casing of Michelle spew, and is still just hiding behind yalls shadow. I don’t know how you can’t see it.

robyn's opinions on things matter the most to me because they are my top town and if Bereft is mafia, I take 0 blame for the loss of this game

You and me both but I think town has thrown if he wasn't something somethinged when something happened

[RondoDimBuckle]

I was going to play games today with the vote but I think maybe we just kill Scotty

[RondoDimBuckle]

Robyn, Cape, Bereft, and Abi I have as my towncore rn. Abi singlehandedly changing the elim to Michelle and her play shielding SVS makes me feel very good about her.

Excuse me?

Still don't know how I am not in this list

[RondoDimBuckle]

Wake up people

[RondoDimBuckle]

Neon speak to me im bored

[RondoDimBuckle]

If you guys could get a guarantee wolf kill or go for a fancy play which would you do?

[Scotty]

To those voting me- I’m gonna pull a page out of bereft’s book:

I have had no friends in this game. Could be said I had thunal for a bit but it seems like she’s even changing her tune, which is…unfortunate. And bothering me. But my point stands that I haven’t had much pushback across the board this game. This would mean that for me to be wolf, my partners would certainly be bussing in some capacity.

But see, I’m not wolf and I’d prefer not to die.
Rondo is upset that I am one of the only people scum reading him. K.
Bereft is upset that I am up in his grill and that I ‘keep trying to kill’ him. While I sit here expressly voting SVS.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@robyn can you please wake these guys the fuck up? Town still need to find the last wolf

[Scotty]

I’m most disappointed that everyone is disregarding the most obvious mech here so I’ll go ahead and lay it out.

This role exists:

Rebecca Walton - She wants nothing more than revenge on Rupert for cheating and publicly humiliating her. If she finds him, she drains all his money. (She will not be told she found Rupert.)

[Bereft]

The hider gets the person they hid behind killed if they are targeted right?

Thats the impression I got when I read the roles.

that isn't how hiding always works

the only other thing I can think of is the mafia just not deciding night actions on anyone for the night phase, which shows apathy, which to me doesn't make a lot of sense, but it would make LoRab scum if that's the case, but again, idt it makes sense even with the low posters

We never said that its how it always works. We said that this is likely how it works in this game.

[Scotty]

I’m too busy irl to be town leader, and unfortunately you’ve got drunk Rondo trying to coach a rugby team. But we’re not a rugby team. We’re a football team.

But sure, everyone kill me

[Bereft]

Robyn, Cape, Bereft, and Abi I have as my towncore rn. Abi singlehandedly changing the elim to Michelle and her play shielding SVS makes me feel very good about her.

Excuse me?

Still don't know how I am not in this list

You would be on this list of you were more obvious.

Like yeah Im pretty sure I know.

But Im pretty sure I understand what thunal understands and hence there list is objectively correct.

[Bereft]

If you guys could get a guarantee wolf kill or go for a fancy play which would you do?

Guarantee the wolf kill.

I cant really take another v flip.

I also have been sufficiently convinced that we dont have a guaranteed wolf kill but its scotty so this is irrelevant to me given *waves hands frantically*

[Bereft]

I’m most disappointed that everyone is disregarding the most obvious mech here so I’ll go ahead and lay it out.

This role exists:

Rebecca Walton - She wants nothing more than revenge on Rupert for cheating and publicly humiliating her. If she finds him, she drains all his money. (She will not be told she found Rupert.)

Yes and, do you have anything new to say about it?

We've literally all been talking about it already.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I’m too busy irl to be town leader, and unfortunately you’ve got drunk Rondo trying to coach a rugby team. But we’re not a rugby team. We’re a football team.

But sure, everyone kill me

Ok if you can present to me a coherent wolf team I am happy to hear you out

[RondoDimBuckle]

Because so far I see no reason why wolves would be afraid of you talking d2 so far you've been pushing just town

[Bereft]

Like sure, maybe you're town, but you're pushing the most wolfsided nonsense with the excuse of "but Im voting SVS".

Then just vote SVS and stop pointing fingers all over the place where they dont make sense.

But yes I have to agree with Rondos point that there is a last wolf and I dont know who it is since i doubt the odd numbered slots in my POE contains more than 2/3 simply cuz interactions.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Robyn, Cape, Bereft, and Abi I have as my towncore rn. Abi singlehandedly changing the elim to Michelle and her play shielding SVS makes me feel very good about her.

Excuse me?

Still don't know how I am not in this list

You would be on this list of you were more obvious.

Like yeah Im pretty sure I know.

But Im pretty sure I understand what thunal understands and hence there list is objectively correct.

Fine

[Bereft]

Realistically I cant tell which of DM/Wilgy it is or if it isnt.

[RondoDimBuckle]

If you guys could get a guarantee wolf kill or go for a fancy play which would you do?

Guarantee the wolf kill.

I cant really take another v flip.

I also have been sufficiently convinced that we dont have a guaranteed wolf kill but its scotty so this is irrelevant to me given *waves hands frantically*

Yes but what if its in town interest the wolf lives?

[Bereft]

Oh and yeah, I currently believe Thunal is the second out of 4 town after rondo, which leaves just 2 more town slots left to find.

[Bereft]

If you guys could get a guarantee wolf kill or go for a fancy play which would you do?

Guarantee the wolf kill.

I cant really take another v flip.

I also have been sufficiently convinced that we dont have a guaranteed wolf kill but its scotty so this is irrelevant to me given *waves hands frantically*

Yes but what if its in town interest the wolf lives?

Uhhh then idk.

[Bereft]

Oh I understand.


How does it benefit us if that person stays alive? I thought J3 went over this discussion abt how it really didnt matter.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Like sure, maybe you're town, but you're pushing the most wolfsided nonsense with the excuse of "but Im voting SVS".

Then just vote SVS and stop pointing fingers all over the place where they dont make sense.

But yes I have to agree with Rondos point that there is a last wolf and I dont know who it is since i doubt the odd numbered slots in my POE contains more than 2/3 simply cuz interactions.

I love that we're thinking the same things

[Bereft]

Yeah I'm at DM/Wilgy is a v/w pair, and SVS/Scotty is a v/w pair, and solving these gives a full solve.

I understand the LoRab vote now.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Realistically I cant tell which of DM/Wilgy it is or if it isnt.

Wilgy is just town for reasons of Michelle pushing him. Jjj town reading him to town leader then him rejecting it and voting thunal. I think wilgy will be voting off wagon again today and I don't think its because wilgy wants to and I think Scotty is our best bet at fixing that

[Bereft]

Oh I understand.


How does it benefit us if that person stays alive? I thought J3 went over this discussion abt how it really didnt matter.

Oh I understand, it does matter.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Oh I understand.


How does it benefit us if that person stays alive? I thought J3 went over this discussion abt how it really didnt matter.

That's a really good question

[Bereft]

Ok cool yeah, then I think we just vote out LoRab here. Hopefully people understand whats going on here but shrug.

[Bereft]

The people who realistically we want to understand lie in Wilgy/DM/SVS/Scotty tho so thats pretty $%#!ed.

I think none of these people has been paying much attention.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Yeah I'm at DM/Wilgy is a v/w pair, and SVS/Scotty is a v/w pair, and solving these gives a full solve.

I understand the LoRab vote now.

Please explain

[Bereft]

Yeah I'm at DM/Wilgy is a v/w pair, and SVS/Scotty is a v/w pair, and solving these gives a full solve.

I understand the LoRab vote now.

Please explain

This is just what you get if you take out thunal from the poe then take svs/scotty not w/w as a given. The only other possibility is dm/wilgy w/w and i dont know that i believe j3's poe was that wrong.

[RondoDimBuckle]

The people who realistically we want to understand lie in Wilgy/DM/SVS/Scotty tho so thats pretty $%#!ed.

I think none of these people has been paying much attention.

Why not lorab?

[Bereft]

The people who realistically we want to understand lie in Wilgy/DM/SVS/Scotty tho so thats pretty $%#!ed.

I think none of these people has been paying much attention.

Why not lorab?

Yeah forgot lorab ig. But then dm/wilgy is w/w so lol.