The Syndicate

juliets wrote:Canuck, I really don't know what to say. There are pluses and minuses on each of the people we're talking about. With Hedgie, she had time to answer Bullz but she chose not to, meanwhile making a comment to me that it sounded defensive that I responded to everything said about me (paraphrase). I wonder if she said that to confirm for everyone her belief that one didn't need to answer everything about them. She's also dead wrong about me and it bothers me that she presented a list where she marked off a lot of people in red that weren't even part of her point. When you look at it, it looks like something really bad. On the other hand, I try not to vote for people that are silenced though I have done it in a couple of cases where I felt is was warranted.

Boogs is hard for me. I suspected him earlier in the game for his brief appearances and not added anything to the conversation. He has improved quite a bit on that and is acting like the boogs I know as a civ. He went after Bullz but he relented after Bullz called him out and by the time it was over I got the idea Boogs wasn't really sure about Bullz being bad after all. Then though he recently talked about what he thought Hedgie was doing to me and he was exactly right about me. I know I have to watch out for people defending me when I'm not bad - they may be a baddie trying to look good after I flip civ - but he was actually soliciting votes away from me to Hedgie.

And then Dana. Dana is making me very uneasy. She's not voting, and I accepted her explanation to begin with but after we explained it to her I would have expected her to start voting. She did pop up out of nowhere to vouch for Boogs but I can think of a civ reason to do that. She was confused about the silencing, wouldn't her baddie teammates clued her in or made her contact Rox/DP for clarification? (Oh but I got linki and see now what bea is saying about that.) Other than that Canuck's comment about how she was last game as compared to this game furthers my uneasiness.

I still have a bad feeling that I may have to save myself so I am going to vote close to the end of the lynch or whenever it's safe. I am leaning toward Hedgie or Dana though I want to hear what everyone has to say.

omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...

Hedgeowl wrote:omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...

I've only seen episode 1, but I've finished all of book 1. I'm 1/4 through book 2. so good so if you want to discuss as you watch feel free to PM me!

Boogs wrote:I do agree JC has been acting weird to me so i am glad someone presented a case.

Boogs wrote:So do we really wanna vote JC? I dont see Bloop as her suspects. Do we think Hedgie instead might be the way to go? I just feel something off about how we all seemed to pile on Jc. I just keep reevaluating and i think its gonna be another train lynch wreck. I may even go back to Bullz or do Hedgie. I just feel so confused but i can see a lynch on JC to be wrong. I also find how Bullzeye didnt die to get suspicion back on me and how discussion on him stopped being weird. He was the one who started the Mongoose bandwagon and Hedgie supported it like a teammate.

Enrique wrote:

bea wrote:and while I'm here - are you sure about LC canuck? You and lorab both seem pretty sure he's civ. And I'll admit - I've thought he was civ all game, but could could you be wrong?

I KNOW this is my paranoia speaking. I know it. He double crossed me in trev's star wars game, he double crossed me in wabbit's sword of truth game, he double crossed me in fight club. He's *really* good at starting out as civ and then doing the double cross. Are you SURE about him?

Ahh, Trev's Star Wars was such an amazing game. LP is back, in case anyone hasn't noticed, so all those classic mafia archives are available again The ending was insane. LC knew he could win with me, but he tried to kill me anyway... thankfully my role didn't allow for that

LoRab wrote:And next time I host, I'm doing a trivia contest on why it's called linkitis.

Ooo, ooo, I know!!!

Boogs wrote:Bea- The truth? No i wasnt smiley cursed. I was buying SVS time because she wasnt bad and wanted to get attention.

Dana wrote:Nevermind, urban dictionary is my best friend

bea wrote:and while I'm here - are you sure about LC canuck? You and lorab both seem pretty sure he's civ. And I'll admit - I've thought he was civ all game, but could could you be wrong?

I KNOW this is my paranoia speaking. I know it. He double crossed me in trev's star wars game, he double crossed me in wabbit's sword of truth game, he double crossed me in fight club. He's *really* good at starting out as civ and then doing the double cross. Are you SURE about him?

I keep thinking "this time for sure LC is civ!" and I keep being wrong. Is this the time I'm right? I'm unsure of lorab so IDK what to make of her vouch for him, but I've had good feels about you and bullz.

Long Con wrote: Still catching up (it's slow because of TV... Gotham series premiere,

Boogs wrote:I'm not a bad kitty, Hedge. You are a bad owl!

Hedgeowl wrote: I am not fully caught up, but this was something I was going to respond to until I saw I was silenced. I didn't mean to be cryptic with your list Juliets. I chose dead red, because those were the players that were dead. Simple as that, but I should have explained I see. As for Bullz suspicion of me, I must need to go back through his posts. I have seen him mentioned the way I addressed the M lynch, but there clearly must be more I missed. I try to keep up with the thread, but honestly don't have enough time, if I don't spend all evening reading up and posting. I play on an iPad which makes longer posts much harder.

omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...

Hedgeowl wrote: So my initial reaction was, omg I am being set-up, just like Bullz! Baaaad kitteh! He does a 180 on JUliets as well. Was there a pile on Juliets? I honestly don't think there was, but maybe I am forgetting? I honestly don't know if Boogs is bad, but Bloop was agreeing with me somewhat, she's killed and I am silenced, and then the topic of the day is whether I should be lynched led by Boogs. So yeah, not great feelings from Boogs.

I need to do a more thorough read of how it all switched to voting Boogs. I am not sure how I feel about his survival either, but generally not good ATM. I have some reevaluating to do for sure in light of this crazy day. I don't know where I stand on Juliets and LC.

Long Con wrote:

Boogs wrote:Bea- The truth? No i wasnt smiley cursed. I was buying SVS time because she wasnt bad and wanted to get attention.

Really? Still catching up (it's slow because of TV... Gotham series premiere, Sleepy Hollow season premiere, and now just an episode of Friends I haven't seen... show catchup. Shouldn't be a prob since no one is on here this late) and I am perplexed about this. I would feel better if you could also provide some evidence that you tried at all to stop SVS' lynch. I don't really understand how faking a curse was a realistic plan to stop her lynch.

Is it reasonable to assume that your non-lynch makes you more Civvie?

Boogs wrote:Lol okay whatever you say Bullzeye. Im civ and its really funny you are this adaman and think you know so much about me that isnt true.

Boogs wrote:Lol okay whatever you say Bullzeye. Im civ and its really funny you are this adaman and think you know so much about me that isnt true.

Boogs wrote:Im done going in circles about the subject. You interpreted it as a lie and how you wanted, so good for you. I know what i am, and if you want to vote me again then go for it. You've done wonderfully at lynching civs that one more tomorrow by voting me will be just swell. If people want to vote me and let another Civ die and another night to get a recruit, good for them. Im playing to win and kill baddies but i dont know about the rest of you. No one seems to want to listen or follow my leads and teammates swoop in to defend as we lose another civ every time. I'm convinced you're bad Bullzeye and LC is your teammate how you both tried to flip the house after saying one thing then changing how you wanted to vote and try to influence everyone and if Hedge isnt bad then i admit i am wrong but i doubt that.

Dana if you havent played with me before, i do like doing crazy stuff. My style is to gain some attention to avoid night kills because i always get lynched and try to last as long as i can out of the votes. But, a cat only has 9 lives. Regardless of what they say, i faked the smiles to grab attention and that is all they need to know.

Long Con wrote:I'm trying to give you a chance to explain, Boogs. I don't understand the Smiley fake-out and the svs thing.

Linki... Ok don't say any more then... I don't know why suddenly I'm bad in your books, is it because I voted for you? I had my reasons, and it's not like you do a lot to allay suspicion. You want to ride the line to avoid nightkills, then you can't just call your voters baddies. You did this to yourself, maybe you went too far over the line this time.

Don't think that coming after me now is going to improve our lynch record.

Boogs wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm trying to give you a chance to explain, Boogs. I don't understand the Smiley fake-out and the svs thing.

Linki... Ok don't say any more then... I don't know why suddenly I'm bad in your books, is it because I voted for you? I had my reasons, and it's not like you do a lot to allay suspicion. You want to ride the line to avoid nightkills, then you can't just call your voters baddies. You did this to yourself, maybe you went too far over the line this time.

Don't think that coming after me now is going to improve our lynch record.

LC you said you believed and would vote Hedge and so did Bullzeye and then you both started making crazy cases before the end of the lynch making it look like a connection or save for Hedge from desperate teammates seeing others agreed they could vote Hedge as well and had to act quick.

Boogs wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm trying to give you a chance to explain, Boogs. I don't understand the Smiley fake-out and the svs thing.

Linki... Ok don't say any more then... I don't know why suddenly I'm bad in your books, is it because I voted for you? I had my reasons, and it's not like you do a lot to allay suspicion. You want to ride the line to avoid nightkills, then you can't just call your voters baddies. You did this to yourself, maybe you went too far over the line this time.

Don't think that coming after me now is going to improve our lynch record.

LC you said you believed and would vote Hedge and so did Bullzeye and then you both started making crazy cases before the end of the lynch making it look like a connection or save for Hedge from desperate teammates seeing others agreed they could vote Hedge as well and had to act quick.

Boogs wrote: If people want to vote me and let another Civ die and another night to get a recruit, good for them.

Bullzeye wrote:

Boogs wrote:I'm not a bad kitty, Hedge. You are a bad owl!

Honestly I think you're just a few animals short of being able to open an evil pet shop. Probably not on the same team though. when the A.S.S goes evil.. pet cemetery style.

Hedgeowl wrote: I am not fully caught up, but this was something I was going to respond to until I saw I was silenced. I didn't mean to be cryptic with your list Juliets. I chose dead red, because those were the players that were dead. Simple as that, but I should have explained I see. As for Bullz suspicion of me, I must need to go back through his posts. I have seen him mentioned the way I addressed the M lynch, but there clearly must be more I missed. I try to keep up with the thread, but honestly don't have enough time, if I don't spend all evening reading up and posting. I play on an iPad which makes longer posts much harder.

omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...

It was mostly just your MM vote and your response to me calling out the bandwagon. You seemed like you were trying to throw suspicion back on me by saying that actually he'd been discussed loads and I was lying when really even the quickest of checks would prove that MM had very little discussion from anyone. The majority of his voters never explained why they voted for him and he only got one vote ever before the day he died. Also the day that 'M' people were talked of as bad still didn't really involve him much. I just thought your reaction was quite suspicious. Then I don't think you ever responded and that made me wonder.

Ok, thanks. Thats what I thought, but i think we were remembering the lynch differently. I remembered all 3 receiving votes, but you right MM only received 1 vote. It felt to me like you were accusing the other MM voters of behavior that was not the way I remembered it, since I had also mentioned a more recent suspicion of Mm. I didn't think I was actually trying to turn you into a suspect. You are way down on my list currently, but maybe it's partly the silencing camaraderie I feel and the frustration I now I understood nit being able to post while people suddenly were talking about you.

Hedgeowl wrote: So my initial reaction was, omg I am being set-up, just like Bullz! Baaaad kitteh! He does a 180 on JUliets as well. Was there a pile on Juliets? I honestly don't think there was, but maybe I am forgetting? I honestly don't know if Boogs is bad, but Bloop was agreeing with me somewhat, she's killed and I am silenced, and then the topic of the day is whether I should be lynched led by Boogs. So yeah, not great feelings from Boogs.

I need to do a more thorough read of how it all switched to voting Boogs. I am not sure how I feel about his survival either, but generally not good ATM. I have some reevaluating to do for sure in light of this crazy day. I don't know where I stand on Juliets and LC.

I do think there's a chance that you're both opposing baddies at the moment but Boogs does seem like he was trying to set you up to die while you were silenced and that gives me pause about you in addition to making me more suspicious of him. Good point about Niju there as well, I hadn't considered that.

As it stands I think Boogs is very likely to be bad, you're my number two suspicion pretty much by default. Dana is blendy and shifty too though so I have an eye on her as well. I very much doubt you and Boogs would be on the same team though so if there's only one baddie team you can't both be bad but if there isn't (and I personally think there are two) then both of you remain my suspects. Unless you can give a good defense to my suspicion of you I suppose.

Well Boogs thinks I am your teammate it sounds like, so not on the same team with Boogs.

Long Con wrote:

Boogs wrote:Bea- The truth? No i wasnt smiley cursed. I was buying SVS time because she wasnt bad and wanted to get attention.

Really? Still catching up (it's slow because of TV... Gotham series premiere, Sleepy Hollow season premiere, and now just an episode of Friends I haven't seen... show catchup. Shouldn't be a prob since no one is on here this late) and I am perplexed about this. I would feel better if you could also provide some evidence that you tried at all to stop SVS' lynch. I don't really understand how faking a curse was a realistic plan to stop her lynch.

Is it reasonable to assume that your non-lynch makes you more Civvie?

As I've already pointed out, the SVS thing is a flat out lie. She was long dead by the time he faked the curse, so unless he thought he could resurrect her by doing that then he was not trying to save her at all.

Hedgeowl wrote:

juliets wrote:Canuck, I really don't know what to say. There are pluses and minuses on each of the people we're talking about. With Hedgie, she had time to answer Bullz but she chose not to, meanwhile making a comment to me that it sounded defensive that I responded to everything said about me (paraphrase). I wonder if she said that to confirm for everyone her belief that one didn't need to answer everything about them. She's also dead wrong about me and it bothers me that she presented a list where she marked off a lot of people in red that weren't even part of her point. When you look at it, it looks like something really bad. On the other hand, I try not to vote for people that are silenced though I have done it in a couple of cases where I felt is was warranted.

Boogs is hard for me. I suspected him earlier in the game for his brief appearances and not added anything to the conversation. He has improved quite a bit on that and is acting like the boogs I know as a civ. He went after Bullz but he relented after Bullz called him out and by the time it was over I got the idea Boogs wasn't really sure about Bullz being bad after all. Then though he recently talked about what he thought Hedgie was doing to me and he was exactly right about me. I know I have to watch out for people defending me when I'm not bad - they may be a baddie trying to look good after I flip civ - but he was actually soliciting votes away from me to Hedgie.

And then Dana. Dana is making me very uneasy. She's not voting, and I accepted her explanation to begin with but after we explained it to her I would have expected her to start voting. She did pop up out of nowhere to vouch for Boogs but I can think of a civ reason to do that. She was confused about the silencing, wouldn't her baddie teammates clued her in or made her contact Rox/DP for clarification? (Oh but I got linki and see now what bea is saying about that.) Other than that Canuck's comment about how she was last game as compared to this game furthers my uneasiness.

I still have a bad feeling that I may have to save myself so I am going to vote close to the end of the lynch or whenever it's safe. I am leaning toward Hedgie or Dana though I want to hear what everyone has to say.

I am not fully caught up, but this was something I was going to respond to until I saw I was silenced. I didn't mean to be cryptic with your list Juliets. I chose dead red, because those were the players that were dead. Simple as that, but I should have explained I see. As for Bullz suspicion of me, I must need to go back through his posts. I have seen him mentioned the way I addressed the M lynch, but there clearly must be more I missed. I try to keep up with the thread, but honestly don't have enough time, if I don't spend all evening reading up and posting. I play on an iPad which makes longer posts much harder.

omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...

Boogs wrote:Dana if you havent played with me before, i do like doing crazy stuff. My style is to gain some attention to avoid night kills because i always get lynched and try to last as long as i can out of the votes. But, a cat only has 9 lives. Regardless of what they say, i faked the smiles to grab attention and that is all they need to know.

Dana wrote:You made it seem like there is one every night. Though wouldn't that make too many mafia? I'm still not completely sure on how the mafia to civ ratio works yet.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dana wrote:You made it seem like there is one every night. Though wouldn't that make too many mafia? I'm still not completely sure on how the mafia to civ ratio works yet.

If there was one recruit every night, and all of them definitely went through, and every recruit's alignment would be revealed on death, there'd be two civs left in the game.

Boogs wrote:Agree with Boogs.