Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[MacDougall]

DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

[FZ.]

I didn't switch to Lorab in the last second, because I was really pissed. I said I would, to save JJJ, but I didn't. I'm bad. Lynch me next.


Epi, BR and Sorsha, nice job! Golden, the town is not worth it.

[FZ.]

DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

Because you're obviously so good at detecting them.

[MacDougall]

Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

[HamburgerBoy]

I think it's worth considering that DrWilgy reformed the tie on accident, but realized the potential of it to make him look horrible considering golden's immediately preceding vote change.

I also still think Black Rock was too LoRab-focused while also latching onto other people's cases in the early game to constitute reasonable suspicion, unlike Epi and Sorsha.

[MacDougall]

DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

Because you're obviously so good at detecting them.

Um, excuse me FZ. Excuse me.

Brb.

This was my first post in THIS GAME.

I need to wrap my brain around this game. I don't think I've played a champions game before--although I did co-host one. Cupcakes FTW!! Just got back from vacation...way too tired to think through what roles are included and how that decision may have been made. Will ponder after sleep. To do so earlier would be scandalous.

Waffly day 1 post = u bad.

So go jump.

[DrWilgy]

[HamburgerBoy]

DrWilgy, why did you suddenly start buddying me these last couple of days when I was one of your bigger suspects earlier in the game?

[Dom]

nice sig wilgy!

[MacDougall]

Wilgy can I please have it as well. I think we should all use this.

[FZ.]

DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

Because you're obviously so good at detecting them.

Um, excuse me FZ. Excuse me.

Brb.

This was my first post in THIS GAME.

I need to wrap my brain around this game. I don't think I've played a champions game before--although I did co-host one. Cupcakes FTW!! Just got back from vacation...way too tired to think through what roles are included and how that decision may have been made. Will ponder after sleep. To do so earlier would be scandalous.

Waffly day 1 post = u bad.

So go jump.

Yet you voted me, than told Golden he's as bad as it gets, and then said he's either JJJ's team mate or mine. Yep, I'll go jump. It's a good thing the town has you to rely on


I think I better go to bed before I say things I really regret. Sorry for the foul mood and for insulting people. I let the game get to me sometimes. I literally stayed until almost 3 am to save jjj if needed. I didn't even do that, but I'm glad he is safe. I should have gone to sleep 3 hours ago. Would have saved myself a lot of aggravation

[MacDougall]

DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

Because you're obviously so good at detecting them.

Um, excuse me FZ. Excuse me.

Brb.

This was my first post in THIS GAME.

I need to wrap my brain around this game. I don't think I've played a champions game before--although I did co-host one. Cupcakes FTW!! Just got back from vacation...way too tired to think through what roles are included and how that decision may have been made. Will ponder after sleep. To do so earlier would be scandalous.

Waffly day 1 post = u bad.

So go jump.

Yet you voted me, than told Golden he's as bad as it gets, and then said he's either JJJ's team mate or mine. Yep, I'll go jump. It's a good thing the town has you to rely on


I think I better go to bed before I say things I really regret. Sorry for the foul mood and for insulting people. I let the game get to me sometimes. I literally stayed until almost 3 am to save jjj if needed. I didn't even do that, but I'm glad he is safe. I should have gone to sleep 3 hours ago. Would have saved myself a lot of aggravation

That was like 10 minutes ago. Let's focus on what happened in my first post.

[DharmaHelper]

DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

Nope.

[MacDougall]

DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

Nope.

Ok

[DrWilgy]

I don't think that I started buddying you, just agreed with what you had to say more than the others. Out of what I've read, It made the most sense in my head I suppose. I was pinged by you early game, but realized later that was only because I had the context of the conversation backwards.

Those who want it may use it... though... I may need to shrink it first

[MacDougall]

As usual my day 0 brilliance is overshadowed by my mid game terribleness.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[Marmot]

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't think that I started buddying you, just agreed with what you had to say more than the others. Out of what I've read, It made the most sense in my head I suppose. I was pinged by you early game, but realized later that was only because I had the context of the conversation backwards.

Those who want it may use it... though... I may need to shrink it first

You made one post outright saying that your biggest suspect was JJJ because you still agreed with me and LC, and implied that you weren't voting for him when you saw that I no longer was. Your other post ("I voted JJJ the otherday simply because I agreed with HBB and LC, they are also the civviest to me so far") seemed to imply that your read of civviness on me was independent of my suspicions of him. You didn't really elaborate on anything beyond that, so that reads like max buddying to me.

As usual my day 0 brilliance is overshadowed by my mid game terribleness.

Maybe you should just stop posting after day 0/1 every game you play.

[DharmaHelper]

Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

I'm actually quite pleased to have been wrong. Not sure where this leaves me in terms of suspects, but I'll have a look and see what pops out

[MacDougall]

I don't think that I started buddying you, just agreed with what you had to say more than the others. Out of what I've read, It made the most sense in my head I suppose. I was pinged by you early game, but realized later that was only because I had the context of the conversation backwards.

Those who want it may use it... though... I may need to shrink it first

You made one post outright saying that your biggest suspect was JJJ because you still agreed with me and LC, and implied that you weren't voting for him when you saw that I no longer was. Your other post ("I voted JJJ the otherday simply because I agreed with HBB and LC, they are also the civviest to me so far") seemed to imply that your read of civviness on me was independent of my suspicions of him. You didn't really elaborate on anything beyond that, so that reads like max buddying to me.

As usual my day 0 brilliance is overshadowed by my mid game terribleness.

Maybe you should just stop posting after day 0/1 every game you play.

Maybe I should be a day 1 policy lynch. I arrive, give my reads and you kill me to measure the validity of them. Get rid of a dangerous scum if I'm bad.

OMG I AM THE POLICY LYNCH.

[MacDougall]

Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

I'm actually quite pleased to have been wrong. Not sure where this leaves me in terms of suspects, but I'll have a look and see what pops out

I had a look, you're gonna self vote.

[Boomslang]

Whew, what a lynch, with a great result. BIH, Lorab; I'll admit you weren't on my naughty list.
Voting for Simon and Garfunkle this poll because our hosts are creating such harmony among the players :P

[Epignosis]

Having a 4 way tie is the most stupid thing ever. Nothing to be learned from it. A three way tie would somehow be okay, but a 4 way tie is just helping the baddies

Oh?

Does it bother anyone else that Epi seems to be reading the thread a lot but not posting?

666.

Nice number. Probably fits your M.O.

[Dom]

Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

I'm actually quite pleased to have been wrong. Not sure where this leaves me in terms of suspects, but I'll have a look and see what pops out

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

[DharmaHelper]

Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

I'm actually quite pleased to have been wrong. Not sure where this leaves me in terms of suspects, but I'll have a look and see what pops out

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

I mean moreso those I thought were bussing LoRab.

[DrWilgy]

Hmmm... I guess I did buddy there. I suppose the reason why is because at the time, it's your thoughts I felt were the most well constructed, giving me a civvy vibe.

While you do have a civvy vibe though, I don't think I've ever played an extended game with you HBB, meaning I don't know your potential for these well constructed thoughts in different environments.

OK! best summary of what is going on in my head: I have very little information on the game other than recent events and hosts posts, because of that I went with the most well constructed thoughts at the time. They seemed logical and rational to me. With that in mind, my rainbow list so-to-say would look something like this:
Rico
JJJ and FZ
LC and You
Everyone else
My views on everyone are pretty neutral with the exception of Rico, so I suppose you being slightly higher in my mind than everyone else lead to it looking like buddying.

[HamburgerBoy]

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

The biggest worry would be that JJJ and LoRab really were on the same team, that 3.0 was a proper lynch cancel, and JJJ's roleclaim a fake one to satisfy those of us trying to work out the motive for canceling the lynch. You have to admit that the odds of two scum from the same team being the top two candidates is lower than the odds of them being on different teams. This flip at least bumps Jimmy into the yellow-ish zone for me.

[Dom]

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

The biggest worry would be that JJJ and LoRab really were on the same team, that 3.0 was a proper lynch cancel, and JJJ's roleclaim a fake one to satisfy those of us trying to work out the motive for canceling the lynch. You have to admit that the odds of two scum from the same team being the top two candidates is lower than the odds of them being on different teams. This flip at least bumps Jimmy into the yellow-ish zone for me.

Why can't they be on opposite bad teams?

[DrWilgy]

What does the thread think of Bea and Juliets?

[HamburgerBoy]

Why can't they be on opposite bad teams?

Whoever cursed Boomslang is not on Zebra's team, unless it's normal here for scum teams to have two of the same role. LoRab and Zebra have the same red 'BADDIE' text, so I'm assuming they are on the same team. Jimmy wouldn't have built a big case against Boomslang if he could know about the curse, so therefore he wasn't on LoRab or Zebra's team... wait, I'm arguing your point.

Regardless a lot of my earlier case was built on Jimmy being on the same team as Zebra. Additionally, we don't have definitive evidence that another bad team exists similar to the LoRab/Zebra/whoever else team. So actually I think overall it looks even harder to imagine Jimmy being on a bad team, unless he's an indy.

[Golden]

I didn't switch to Lorab in the last second, because I was really pissed. I said I would, to save JJJ, but I didn't. I'm bad. Lynch me next.


Epi, BR and Sorsha, nice job! Golden, the town is not worth it.

Muddle through fz.

[HamburgerBoy]

What does the thread think of Bea and Juliets?

I feel good-ish on both of them. juliets I was suspicious of because earlier I felt she looked like the same juliets I saw during A World Reborn, but more recently she started making pretty directed arguments. In retrospect she did jump on to vote JJJ against LoRab pretty late, so I guess I should heavily re-evaluate my read on her. Bea I thought looked genuine in most of her recent posts and very passionate about the game, but then again, reviewing her vote and in this post where she uses some pretty waffly language especially regarding LoRab, I'd have to bump her down the rainbow as well. So actually I guess I don't feel good about either.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In which Dom receives an accusation from confirmed town Rico based on the most dubious premise imaginable (which also connects him to LoRab) and doesn't respond to it with any emotion, incredulity, or even interest:

Spoiler: show

I did a search of Dom's entire post and have found only a dozen of posts in which the word suspish appears. He himself has used it only once before, in Star Wars.

I now believe Dom is in team with someone who is inadvertedly influencing his word use during their private chatter.

Players who so far who used this word in this game are llama and LoRab.

ok?

In which Dom tries to cast suspicion on me for a silly reason:

Spoiler: show

Anyone else find it weird that JJJ is defending FZ when he's on the lynching block??

Spoiler: show

I did a search of Dom's entire post and have found only a dozen of posts in which the word suspish appears. He himself has used it only once before, in Star Wars.

I now believe Dom is in team with someone who is inadvertedly influencing his word use during their private chatter.

Players who so far who used this word in this game are llama and LoRab.

I... kind of like this theory. It's just crazy enough to make sense, and I know I often find myself using the language of the group I'm talking with. Does this necessarily make him bad, though? I'm not pinged super hard either way. On the civ end, I like his pressure on Tranq and the way he's been skeptical of Mac throughout the game. On the mafia end, I don't like the way he's expressed support for off-wagon candidates and then circled back to the main wagon for all of the lynches thus far; feels just a touch too blendy.

GTH, I guess I'd say bad. The connection of "suspish" with Lorab, combined with his consistent but low levels of aggro toward her, could make the case for mafia teammates.

I think LoRab put the context quite nicely, regardless of alignment.

In which Dom propped up LoRab in some manner or another without actually committing to a positive read.

Spoiler: show

So you'd actively start a bandwagon against someone you read as civ as a civ?
I don't buy it.

I didn't say that. FZ didn't do that. This is irrelevant.

Start a bandwagon was not good word choice.
Actively campaign is better.

That's a bad word choice too because FZ didn't do that either. I've made that more than clear. You seem to be consciously manipulating the course of events to fit your suspicion.

Why are you defending FZ?

Because DH made a terrible, crap, worthless case and some people actually accepted the points as good. It's mind-boggling. FZ is a strong town read, and I will always defend strong town reads when they're being suspected for stupid reasons. I think DH is plain bad for it, there's no way he has paid so little attention. I'm also starting to think I gave you too much benefit of the doubt for the "shot at bea" thing, because your recent conduct is awful.

....so your buddying didn't work and now I'm somehow bad for it?

In which Dom tries to discard my rock solid logical point without actually talking about it in any meaningful way:

Spoiler: show

So you'd actively start a bandwagon against someone you read as civ as a civ?
I don't buy it.

I didn't say that. FZ didn't do that. This is irrelevant.

Start a bandwagon was not good word choice.
Actively campaign is better.

That's a bad word choice too because FZ didn't do that either. I've made that more than clear. You seem to be consciously manipulating the course of events to fit your suspicion.

Why are you defending FZ?

Because DH made a terrible, crap, worthless case and some people actually accepted the points as good. It's mind-boggling. FZ is a strong town read, and I will always defend strong town reads when they're being suspected for stupid reasons. I think DH is plain bad for it, there's no way he has paid so little attention. I'm also starting to think I gave you too much benefit of the doubt for the "shot at bea" thing, because your recent conduct is awful.

....so your buddying didn't work and now I'm somehow bad for it?

In which Dom insists upon his bogus FZ suspicion based upon a premise that has repeatedly been shown to be false, and even offers a link to a post that shows it to be false:

Spoiler: show

Dom's point is very poor. He asserts FZ campaigned for a LoRab lynch. She did nothing of the sort. She begrudgingly placed her vote after I pushed her in that direction.

You know what?
You're right.
She hardly mentioned LoRab at all OTHER THAN SAYING SHE THINKS SHE IS GENUINE AND IS VOTING FOR HER INSTEAD OF YOU WHICH SHE SAID MIGHT BE BAD BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WITH YOU THINK YOU ARE.
[url=
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p217779
]Here's the receipt. [/url][/quote]

In which Dom says something that elicits an "orly" reply:

Spoiler: show

Sorsha, I do think it's weird. It's almost like the pile on of votes on Lorab was a paper thin save attempt on JJJ.

In which Dom refuses to even consider anything I do from a town perspective:

Spoiler: show

Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

I'm actually quite pleased to have been wrong. Not sure where this leaves me in terms of suspects, but I'll have a look and see what pops out

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

The biggest worry would be that JJJ and LoRab really were on the same team, that 3.0 was a proper lynch cancel, and JJJ's roleclaim a fake one to satisfy those of us trying to work out the motive for canceling the lynch. You have to admit that the odds of two scum from the same team being the top two candidates is lower than the odds of them being on different teams. This flip at least bumps Jimmy into the yellow-ish zone for me.

Why can't they be on opposite bad teams?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You better kill me tonight baddies because I'm hella motivated now.

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm super-duper down for Dom tomorrow.

[DrWilgy]

I agree, I'm going to do a big ol' look at Juliets and Bea first though :P

[Marmot]

You better kill me tonight baddies because I'm hella motivated now.

Are you talking to me?

[juliets]

What does the thread think of Bea and Juliets?

I feel good-ish on both of them. juliets I was suspicious of because earlier I felt she looked like the same juliets I saw during A World Reborn, but more recently she started making pretty directed arguments. In retrospect she did jump on to vote JJJ against LoRab pretty late, so I guess I should heavily re-evaluate my read on her. Bea I thought looked genuine in most of her recent posts and very passionate about the game, but then again, reviewing her vote and in this post where she uses some pretty waffly language especially regarding LoRab, I'd have to bump her down the rainbow as well. So actually I guess I don't feel good about either.

As i said last night i was unsure of Lorab all the way to her lynch. The only thing that hit me as bad was BR's read on her and that wasn't enough to draw my vote. At this point we know that Lorab was bad but we don't know what JJJ, Tranq, or MM would flip (the three people I voted for). I have my opinions of course. But i don't understand why that one vote would move me from good to bad given the circumstances. I'm evidently not the only one who didn't feel there was enough for a Lorab vote or there was more on someone else they voted for.

Congrats to those of you who saw through lorab and voted for her! Another baddie down. I'll be sure to pay extra attention to your suspicions in the future. Lorab, I'll look forward to playing with you in the next game.

[Dom]

Why can't they be on opposite bad teams?

Whoever cursed Boomslang is not on Zebra's team, unless it's normal here for scum teams to have two of the same role. LoRab and Zebra have the same red 'BADDIE' text, so I'm assuming they are on the same team. Jimmy wouldn't have built a big case against Boomslang if he could know about the curse, so therefore he wasn't on LoRab or Zebra's team... wait, I'm arguing your point.

Regardless a lot of my earlier case was built on Jimmy being on the same team as Zebra. Additionally, we don't have definitive evidence that another bad team exists similar to the LoRab/Zebra/whoever else team. So actually I think overall it looks even harder to imagine Jimmy being on a bad team, unless he's an indy.

I didn't think the text would vary for different bad teams if there are any.

In which Dom receives an accusation from confirmed town Rico based on the most dubious premise imaginable (which also connects him to LoRab) and doesn't respond to it with any emotion, incredulity, or even interest:

Spoiler: show

I did a search of Dom's entire post and have found only a dozen of posts in which the word suspish appears. He himself has used it only once before, in Star Wars.

I now believe Dom is in team with someone who is inadvertedly influencing his word use during their private chatter.

Players who so far who used this word in this game are llama and LoRab.

ok?

In which Dom tries to cast suspicion on me for a silly reason:

Spoiler: show

Anyone else find it weird that JJJ is defending FZ when he's on the lynching block??

Spoiler: show

I did a search of Dom's entire post and have found only a dozen of posts in which the word suspish appears. He himself has used it only once before, in Star Wars.

I now believe Dom is in team with someone who is inadvertedly influencing his word use during their private chatter.

Players who so far who used this word in this game are llama and LoRab.

I... kind of like this theory. It's just crazy enough to make sense, and I know I often find myself using the language of the group I'm talking with. Does this necessarily make him bad, though? I'm not pinged super hard either way. On the civ end, I like his pressure on Tranq and the way he's been skeptical of Mac throughout the game. On the mafia end, I don't like the way he's expressed support for off-wagon candidates and then circled back to the main wagon for all of the lynches thus far; feels just a touch too blendy.

GTH, I guess I'd say bad. The connection of "suspish" with Lorab, combined with his consistent but low levels of aggro toward her, could make the case for mafia teammates.

I think LoRab put the context quite nicely, regardless of alignment.

In which Dom propped up LoRab in some manner or another without actually committing to a positive read.

Spoiler: show

So you'd actively start a bandwagon against someone you read as civ as a civ?
I don't buy it.

I didn't say that. FZ didn't do that. This is irrelevant.

Start a bandwagon was not good word choice.
Actively campaign is better.

That's a bad word choice too because FZ didn't do that either. I've made that more than clear. You seem to be consciously manipulating the course of events to fit your suspicion.

Why are you defending FZ?

Because DH made a terrible, crap, worthless case and some people actually accepted the points as good. It's mind-boggling. FZ is a strong town read, and I will always defend strong town reads when they're being suspected for stupid reasons. I think DH is plain bad for it, there's no way he has paid so little attention. I'm also starting to think I gave you too much benefit of the doubt for the "shot at bea" thing, because your recent conduct is awful.

....so your buddying didn't work and now I'm somehow bad for it?

In which Dom tries to discard my rock solid logical point without actually talking about it in any meaningful way:

Spoiler: show

So you'd actively start a bandwagon against someone you read as civ as a civ?
I don't buy it.

I didn't say that. FZ didn't do that. This is irrelevant.

Start a bandwagon was not good word choice.
Actively campaign is better.

That's a bad word choice too because FZ didn't do that either. I've made that more than clear. You seem to be consciously manipulating the course of events to fit your suspicion.

Why are you defending FZ?

Because DH made a terrible, crap, worthless case and some people actually accepted the points as good. It's mind-boggling. FZ is a strong town read, and I will always defend strong town reads when they're being suspected for stupid reasons. I think DH is plain bad for it, there's no way he has paid so little attention. I'm also starting to think I gave you too much benefit of the doubt for the "shot at bea" thing, because your recent conduct is awful.

....so your buddying didn't work and now I'm somehow bad for it?

In which Dom insists upon his bogus FZ suspicion based upon a premise that has repeatedly been shown to be false, and even offers a link to a post that shows it to be false:

Spoiler: show

Dom's point is very poor. He asserts FZ campaigned for a LoRab lynch. She did nothing of the sort. She begrudgingly placed her vote after I pushed her in that direction.

You know what?
You're right.
She hardly mentioned LoRab at all OTHER THAN SAYING SHE THINKS SHE IS GENUINE AND IS VOTING FOR HER INSTEAD OF YOU WHICH SHE SAID MIGHT BE BAD BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WITH YOU THINK YOU ARE.
[url=
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p217779
]Here's the receipt. [/url]

In which Dom says something that elicits an "orly" reply:

Spoiler: show

Sorsha, I do think it's weird. It's almost like the pile on of votes on Lorab was a paper thin save attempt on JJJ.

In which Dom refuses to even consider anything I do from a town perspective:

Spoiler: show

Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

I'm actually quite pleased to have been wrong. Not sure where this leaves me in terms of suspects, but I'll have a look and see what pops out

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

The biggest worry would be that JJJ and LoRab really were on the same team, that 3.0 was a proper lynch cancel, and JJJ's roleclaim a fake one to satisfy those of us trying to work out the motive for canceling the lynch. You have to admit that the odds of two scum from the same team being the top two candidates is lower than the odds of them being on different teams. This flip at least bumps Jimmy into the yellow-ish zone for me.

Why can't they be on opposite bad teams?

[/quote]
I didn't respond to a confirmed civ's case on me because that confirmed civ's case on me is really dumb, if you ask me.
I'm not bad. You only suspect me because I suspect you. I made a wrong call on LoRab in terms of priority, but you've pulled a NO U on me.

I do think it is abit less likely that you are bad now, but I also don't think this lynch exonerates you.

I'm super-duper down for Dom tomorrow.

....for what reasons again?

[MacDougall]

Holy shit what happened to teh thread?

[Dom]

I'm looking into it, I posted it in the mod forum.

[DrWilgy]

U wot m8?

[Dom]

I posted about the issue. I don't know how to fix it, but I would imagine that SVS, TH, or MP can. They have more access to this stuff than I do.

[Epignosis]

It's a known spoiler tag issue.

[Epignosis]

I posted about the issue. I don't know how to fix it, but I would imagine that SVS, TH, or MP can. They have more access to this stuff than I do.

Actually I was the first person to fix it.

It requires editing posts though.

[MacDougall]

I dunno bout you guys but that pretty much confirms Dom as bad to me.

[Dom]

It's a known spoiler tag issue.

I know it's happened before, but I don't know how to fix it.

[DrWilgy]

No... Plz leave this work of art.

[Dom]

I dunno bout you guys but that pretty much confirms Dom as bad to me.

wot