Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

there's a weird thing here though

ash disaligns me and wilgy, something he wouldn't do if ash/wilgy w/w but he picks up on wilgy/hally, something he wouldn't do if ash/wilgy w/v

so

?

So finish the thought.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

it's also just wrong. the way that nanook plays as town (when he's trying) isn't any more or less replicable as scum than any other player's strategies. he has 400 posts this game to read from. if you're gonna go after effortless, there are better places to start

This too, yeah

[TonyStarkPrime]

why is that so big gosh darn

[Poison]

it's also just wrong. the way that nanook plays as town (when he's trying) isn't any more or less replicable as scum than any other player's strategies. he has 400 posts this game to read from. if you're gonna go after effortless, there are better places to start

the thing is, I town read nanook myself, cause I have played two games with him, both town, both similar, both same way, I have no idea how he plays scum, but from LC it seemed like he came to that conclusion genuinely. argumentwise, i think that is a fair point, although now that you confirm he plays different as scum, the point does not hold anything. so yeag.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So you think that the way I’m playing right now is easy to fake as mafia...

??

[Michelle]

Michelle, earlier you said I looked like a scum too afraid to push for a mislynch.

Do you still think that?

Earlier was in the previous day isn't it? You ask like it was minutes ago?

I recently showed scum behaviour of yours and you instead talking to me you chose Hally to express worries about me. This is nagl.

You said to Hally that you said open somewhere that you SR me but i didn't read all the thread, because i am too busy for this, but at the moment of my reaction you did what i said.

A bad sight for Hally's power towning i am 99% we are witnessing in this game is that townies can't keep up with her, i certainly can't so big chunks of the thread remains unread.

Correct, it was yesterday that you said that. I am trying to understand how your read on me has developed.

I didn’t respond to your vote right away as it took some time to digest and decide how I felt about it.

The yellow:
It doesn't matter, why would you take the most villagery player in the game to discuss this to clear your thoughts?
Why would you not ask me about details?

my vote stays on you, and being Sunday i will enjoy this day irl.

What on earth is wrong with talking with other players about my reads?

Besides which I’m talking to you now and you’re not answering my questions. Do you still think I’m scum to scared to push a mislynch?

I thought i answered when saying in a post above that this was my idea when i posted that. Why is this a thing, what if i said you were scum affraid to push a ML?

[Poison]

So you think that the way I’m playing right now is easy to fake as mafia...

??

nope, I'm not saying that, everyone plays mafia differently, what is easy for me to fake as mafia wouldn't be the same for you or any other third person. it's just different play style and how people approach the game.

[Poison]

look, nanook, I don't understand why you are taking it the wrong way, I am not commenting on your playstyle. I don't have your scum meta, his point seemed like he knows what he is talking about hence it felt a fair point to me.

[Poison]

Morning
Rip tutuu, now she will focus on math better i think wolves wanted to help her studying

Super dumb read, Hally is town because if she couldn't spot Radishes as joat she definitely wouldn't spot tutuu as doc.

(yes I know wolves have partners)

Spotting malice here we really touched Radishes as what if is Joat in day 1 if you read the chat but it was hard to observe this during the game, so it was dropped and in N1 Roro was considered obvious Joat and killed because of this.

What benefit for this game has your post? You feel the need to dumb clear Hally for what you said instead observing her effort during the game?
You probably want to show you constantly reevaluate reads but this is forced.

Looks performative, so

[VOTE: Ash] aubergine

This is an example of a post by Michelle that I find towny. I like the thoughts on angles that I hadn't considered.

expand more on this please, cause i can clearly see something she points out something about ash that she did herself , but i would like you to expand this read.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So you think that the way I’m playing right now is easy to fake as mafia...

??

nope, I'm not saying that, everyone plays mafia differently, what is easy for me to fake as mafia wouldn't be the same for you or any other third person. it's just different play style and how people approach the game.

So uh

What part of his point is valid then, in your opinion?

[TonyStarkPrime]

ash be like: “oh I have no problems pushing a MDF”

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m not taking it the wrong way or whatever, I just want to know which part of his point you thought was valid

[Poison]

Maybe others need to go to bed too.

you are a nice person

[tedxtr]

I feel like scum are barely playing

Been feeling like it ever since night commenced

[Poison]

lc, you acknowledge that nook always plays like this as town. what makes him scum this time as opposed to town who is just using the same method he always does?

I will probably never stop suspecting him for it, because it's plainly such an effortless thing to base his game around, and if that's all it takes to be read as town then he's going to take everyone to the cleaners each and every time he rolls scum. Just depends on which side of history you want to be on.

All I got from this [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] was that, He always plays the same way, and it's a way to escape being a scum.

[Poison]

I feel like scum are barely playing

Been feeling like it ever since night commenced

One outs is cool, but haikyuu is the best.

[tedxtr]

Wilgy / 112 / LC / Arete / Epi

Does that have 3?

[Poison]

Nook, I probably didn't give your tony read enough consideration earlier because I thought you guys might just be teamed.

Can you articulate why you're so sure he's good, or is it another one of those inscrutable gut things?

i never really understood why you scum read nanook, iirc, you scum read from the beginning?

[tedxtr]

Feel like we have >rand chance to hit wolves if we look at people that are “solving on islands” or whatever you wanna call it

Arete, LC

Wilgy is probably just scum, he doesn’t fit that characterization but he’s scummy outside of that, I think

[Poison]

i need to look at 112 tbh, couldn't iso her last day. all i remember from day 2 is that she sheeped hally, or could have something against LC since the night phase. Have to catch up on that, but anyways, i'll be back after lunch or something

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t understand how you can think my style isn’t easy to replicate as mafia and think LC had a valid point at the same time unless you’re not actually reading what LC said and just nodding along anyways

[tedxtr]

The game would make a lot of sense to me if it’s some combo of Arete / LC / Wilgy

Like...a lot.

[tedxtr]

Wilgy > Arete > (?)

where i’m at

[Poison]

I don’t understand how you can think my style isn’t easy to replicate as mafia and think LC had a valid point at the same time unless you’re not actually reading what LC said and just nodding along anyways

Not really, as I said, I nodded along what I interpreted from his post which is basically "nanook plays the same way so it would be easier for him to escape as a scum". Which I don't think means that I am saying it's easier to fake as scum by your playstyle.

I'm sorry if you felt bad, but I'm pretty sure yoi6are misinterpreting, I, by no means, meant to comment on your playstyle.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

LC says “Nanook’s playstyle is easy to imitate as scum”
You say “yes this is a valid point”
I say “no it isn’t”
You say “oh I wasn’t saying anything about your playstyle”


?????????????????

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If LC’s comment on my playstyle wasn’t the valid point, then what was ???

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And if it was the valid point, It’s literally a comment on my playstyle



I’m so confused

[Poison]

Huh!?

[Poison]

No it's not.

If LC said, nanook posts and questions really hard in all his games, including his scum games, he is always powerposting, so he can escape as scum easily.

I would have said, that is a valid point.

[Poison]

It doesn't matter what is your playstyle is, all I interpreted from that post was you play in the same way as either alignment and you can escape as a scum.

Besides, he has meta on you, I don't. So I thought he must know what he is talking about.

[Ash Lael]

ash be like: “oh I have no problems pushing a MDF”

Not actually what I'm saying (but also yes it was a bad read in the first place, of course I can push a mislynch as wolf).

What I'm saying is Michelle thought I was scum scared to push.

She still thinks I'm scum.

I would think that yesterday demonstrated I am not scared to push.

So I want to know how she incorporated that new information into her mental model of me.

And at the moment her evasion of that question makes me think she doesn't actually have a mental model of me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m still confused but I don’t think I’m going to find clarity so I’ll drop it kek

[Ash Lael]

Nook, I probably didn't give your tony read enough consideration earlier because I thought you guys might just be teamed.

Can you articulate why you're so sure he's good, or is it another one of those inscrutable gut things?

i never really understood why you scum read nanook, iirc, you scum read from the beginning?

I don't really feel like explaining again an old scum read that I don't believe in anymore. But basically I wasn't used to his style of making reads by gut and not explaining them and it made me think his reads weren't real.

[Poison]

I’m still confused but I don’t think I’m going to find clarity so I’ll drop it kek

Anyways, I apologise, if you really think I judged your playstyle. I didn't mean you to feel that way neither did I thought it that way.

[Poison]

Nook, I probably didn't give your tony read enough consideration earlier because I thought you guys might just be teamed.

Can you articulate why you're so sure he's good, or is it another one of those inscrutable gut things?

i never really understood why you scum read nanook, iirc, you scum read from the beginning?

I don't really feel like explaining again an old scum read that I don't believe in anymore. But basically I wasn't used to his style of making reads by gut and not explaining them and it made me think his reads weren't real.

I see thanks.

[Ash Lael]

The game would make a lot of sense to me if it’s some combo of Arete / LC / Wilgy

Like...a lot.

Do you think Arete has managed to pocket Vulgard?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m still confused but I don’t think I’m going to find clarity so I’ll drop it kek

Anyways, I apologise, if you really think I judged your playstyle. I didn't mean you to feel that way neither did I thought it that way.

Naw you’re good, I wasn’t/am not offended, just confused!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fwiw I don’t make reads just by gut, there is a process

I just don’t usually share the process so it’s easier to say “it’s gut” cause people tend to understand that a bit better

[tedxtr]

The game would make a lot of sense to me if it’s some combo of Arete / LC / Wilgy

Like...a lot.

Do you think Arete has managed to pocket Vulgard?

Yup

[Ash Lael]

I guess his read on them is a bit odd. Like he says they're not their normal town self, not their normal scum self, maybe 3p... but definitely not mafia? I'm not quite sure how that computes.

[Ash Lael]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

LC answered my questions. Michelle isn't.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

LC answered my questions. Michelle isn't.

Actually i answered.

You talk like a wolf caught for the wrong reason.

[Ash Lael]

Michelle, earlier you said I looked like a scum too afraid to push for a mislynch.

Do you still think that?

Earlier was in the previous day isn't it? You ask like it was minutes ago?

I recently showed scum behaviour of yours and you instead talking to me you chose Hally to express worries about me. This is nagl.

You said to Hally that you said open somewhere that you SR me but i didn't read all the thread, because i am too busy for this, but at the moment of my reaction you did what i said.

A bad sight for Hally's power towning i am 99% we are witnessing in this game is that townies can't keep up with her, i certainly can't so big chunks of the thread remains unread.

Correct, it was yesterday that you said that. I am trying to understand how your read on me has developed.

I didn’t respond to your vote right away as it took some time to digest and decide how I felt about it.

The yellow:
It doesn't matter, why would you take the most villagery player in the game to discuss this to clear your thoughts?
Why would you not ask me about details?

my vote stays on you, and being Sunday i will enjoy this day irl.

What on earth is wrong with talking with other players about my reads?

Besides which I’m talking to you now and you’re not answering my questions. Do you still think I’m scum to scared to push a mislynch?

I thought i answered when saying in a post above that this was my idea when i posted that. Why is this a thing, what if i said you were scum affraid to push a ML?

This is not an answer. This is an evasion.

[Ash Lael]

While we’re on the subject of unanswered questions, @112 can you please explain why you read me and Hally differently when we both snap townread you? I’m going to keep asking until I get an answer.

[Michelle]

Michelle, earlier you said I looked like a scum too afraid to push for a mislynch.

Do you still think that?

Earlier was in the previous day isn't it? You ask like it was minutes ago?

I recently showed scum behaviour of yours and you instead talking to me you chose Hally to express worries about me. This is nagl.

You said to Hally that you said open somewhere that you SR me but i didn't read all the thread, because i am too busy for this, but at the moment of my reaction you did what i said.

A bad sight for Hally's power towning i am 99% we are witnessing in this game is that townies can't keep up with her, i certainly can't so big chunks of the thread remains unread.

[mention]Ash Lael[/mention] the cyan text is fmpov my answer at your question.
Idrc if you changed that after by fully SR me, at that moment you gave me the impression i shared.

No evasion, sorry to disappoint you,

OTOH, if you feel like i could know anyhting about your playstyle, i don't. I reacted at wolfy behaviour both times.
Is wolfy to beat around the bush and not being straight in your approach. You have a problem with me and want to solve it by talking to Hally. No matter how do you exlain it, is odd.

[Ash Lael]

Michelle, earlier you said I looked like a scum too afraid to push for a mislynch.

Do you still think that?

Earlier was in the previous day isn't it? You ask like it was minutes ago?

I recently showed scum behaviour of yours and you instead talking to me you chose Hally to express worries about me. This is nagl.

You said to Hally that you said open somewhere that you SR me but i didn't read all the thread, because i am too busy for this, but at the moment of my reaction you did what i said.

A bad sight for Hally's power towning i am 99% we are witnessing in this game is that townies can't keep up with her, i certainly can't so big chunks of the thread remains unread.

@Ash Lael the cyan text is fmpov my answer at your question.
Idrc if you changed that after by fully SR me, at that moment you gave me the impression i shared.

No evasion, sorry to disappoint you,

OTOH, if you feel like i could know anyhting about your playstyle, i don't. I reacted at wolfy behaviour both times.
Is wolfy to beat around the bush and not being straight in your approach. You have a problem with me and want to solve it by talking to Hally. No matter how do you exlain it, is odd.

So is the answer that yes, you still think I was scum afraid to push a mislynch?

If so, is there anything that has happened that has caused you re-evaluate that read?

[Long Con]

Nanook claimed that I was down with PoE, but tests have determined that that is a lie. I have butted heads with him about it more than once, and I don't believe in it.

I don't really understand his reaction to me. I called his play effortless because pushing the lowest poster and shrugging when asked about it is just that. I don't know why he takes that and turns it into "You said I'm lazy and stupid and worthless and fuck you!" and everyone thinks that's a totally normal town response.

[Long Con]

@Long Con id like a full reads list from you with perhaps one line of reasoning for each read at your earliest convenience. thanks

112 - scum. I voted for her on Day 1, and she OMGUSed me, still happy to jump on an LC vote. Too eager.
Arete - town... players who are new to me are harder to read, I think.
Ash Lael - town, new player. I recall nodding along with some posts.
DrWilgy- I dunno. No one does.
Epignosis - null. I was willing to chop dunya, but I also liked Epi's push to investigate the Triple chop, and focus on those who had reason to vote elsewhere. Leaning town on Tony though, so a close chop between two town would yield less fruit. Maybe looking at those earlier trains that dissipated after Nanook led the way to Triple's train would be more beneficial.
Hally - town I guess.
Long Con - town. Chop away, this is what you want.
Michelle - town. I think she's genuine.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - scum. I have disagreed with most of Nanook's reasoning, and found it devoid of value. This may be a usual thing and NAI, because of his slavish devotion to PoE, but I think that very devotion can easily used to hide behind as scum. "I don't need to hunt - I'm just going PoE! Who's the next low hanging fruit on the menu?"
Poison Chan - town, I like the volume and I like the content
tedxtr - lean scum, but he's been scum so many times is it valid?
TonyStarkPrime - town, I liked his Day 1 twilight post
Vulgard - town, his posts a few hours ago kind of locked him as town for me, for now at least

so you'd just give a free town read to all the new players, because you can't read them or idk?

No.

[Ash Lael]

Michelle, earlier you said I looked like a scum too afraid to push for a mislynch.

Do you still think that?

Earlier was in the previous day isn't it? You ask like it was minutes ago?

I recently showed scum behaviour of yours and you instead talking to me you chose Hally to express worries about me. This is nagl.

You said to Hally that you said open somewhere that you SR me but i didn't read all the thread, because i am too busy for this, but at the moment of my reaction you did what i said.

A bad sight for Hally's power towning i am 99% we are witnessing in this game is that townies can't keep up with her, i certainly can't so big chunks of the thread remains unread.

@Ash Lael the cyan text is fmpov my answer at your question.
Idrc if you changed that after by fully SR me, at that moment you gave me the impression i shared.

No evasion, sorry to disappoint you,

OTOH, if you feel like i could know anyhting about your playstyle, i don't. I reacted at wolfy behaviour both times.
Is wolfy to beat around the bush and not being straight in your approach. You have a problem with me and want to solve it by talking to Hally. No matter how do you exlain it, is odd.

So is the answer that yes, you still think I was scum afraid to push a mislynch?

If so, is there anything that has happened that has caused you re-evaluate that read?

Sorry, I think I phrased that badly. Let me try again, more directly.

If you thought I was scared to push you because I was a wolf, does the fact that I subsequently hard pushed Tony make you think that maybe your reasoning was wrong?

(I still don’t understand why you think it’s scummy that I discussed my read with Hally)

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Arete ] aubergine

I see you