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Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:08 am
by MacDougall
Reeeeeow

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:08 am
by Stupid Sexy Flanders
Thundercat wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:03 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:01 am
Thundercat wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:45 am Are you sure I'd have fun on CDC or just be utterly confused?
I'm sure.

Yeah, but I made a Rush reference and no one acknowledged it. :(
We have rep emojis for that at home. I was trying to find one for you but to no avail.

I bet falc likes rush more than I do. I really appreciate the band as musicians. Peart and Lee are one of the best rhythm sections ever, but I just hate the way Geddy Lee sings. I can handle rush in small doses only.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [NIGHT 1]

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:12 am
by Thundercat
Thundercat wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:05 am
Alison wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:55 am Also while I have CDCers here I'm pleased to announce that I'm moving to Canada for college in January and have decided to take up watching hockey to smooth my integration into the country, does anyone have any tips for how to get started?

It's sooo appropriate and delicious that the 2112th post in the thread is a post about someone moving to Canada.

Spoiler: show

Requoting for attention from the music lovers.

:band:

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:13 am
by NIK
the boys couldn't handle dm
Good night

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:19 am
by Stupid Sexy Flanders
Sig and Nanook still on NIK eh.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [NIGHT 1]

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:21 am
by Stupid Sexy Flanders
Thundercat wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:12 am
Thundercat wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:05 am
Alison wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:55 am Also while I have CDCers here I'm pleased to announce that I'm moving to Canada for college in January and have decided to take up watching hockey to smooth my integration into the country, does anyone have any tips for how to get started?

It's sooo appropriate and delicious that the 2112th post in the thread is a post about someone moving to Canada.

Spoiler: show

Requoting for attention from the music lovers.

:band:
You guys need rep points here.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [NIGHT 1]

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:24 am
by Thundercat
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:21 am
Thundercat wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:12 am
Thundercat wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:05 am
Alison wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:55 am Also while I have CDCers here I'm pleased to announce that I'm moving to Canada for college in January and have decided to take up watching hockey to smooth my integration into the country, does anyone have any tips for how to get started?

It's sooo appropriate and delicious that the 2112th post in the thread is a post about someone moving to Canada.

Spoiler: show

Requoting for attention from the music lovers.

:band:
You guys need rep points here.
Remind me postgame when I'm not a sock.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:25 am
by Stupid Sexy Flanders
NIK wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:13 am the boys couldn't handle dm
Good night
What are you talking about? DM is in the other game you're playing rn.

Drunk bastard. I'm jealous.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:33 am
by MartinGG99
Here are thy lists of issues and grievances that I have with Made:
Spoiler: show

EVIDENCE ARTICLE ONE:
MacDougall wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:00 am
Made wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:56 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:28 am Gimme a readslist Made.
We don't serve readslist at this bistro... only....

~~~ H a w t T a k e s ~~~
_______________________
vol 3.

Today we are serving

The Tutuu: was fresh earlier, but is quite stale today tbh.

The Thunal: may be going bad as well, but started fresher than the Tutuu for sure

People stopped ordering the 112, all at once. now they're throwing it out?

The Sig is immitation, but no one's seemed to notice so :shrug:

Alison /w a side of Nutella is a special this week, but the Nutella is VERY option. A treat deceptively low in calories, but entirely unoffensive.

I'm learning the Flanders is an aquired taste, quite bitter-- but still fresh

Martin looks good, but empty calories I'd say

The GS is murky, but taste okay. Needs to be marinated further.

Our Kyles are a hit, but potential a flash in the pan longing for SUBSTANCE

There's a guy name Joseph who works here....

The nova is foul ngl, but, like the GS, it's not order by critics often. A critic's review of either dish is in order

The Nanook is bland--tasteless , and the Jack is hated by critics, I trust the critics but it's fan's aren't exactly the most cultured....

We are considering adding Boknows to the menu, but again bland. Ngl, I haven't had much of this dish

the Polypie exist.

Steer clear of the KZA, also imitation.
_______________________

Today's Special

The Maccaroni: Highly praised, but like the pufferfish INCREDIBLY TOXIC if prepared poorly. This hasn't lead to lack of demand, however. It's imperative that all Chefs prepare this dish with care to ensure the safety of our patrons.

_______________________

Bone apple teet
This is a hedgy do nothing post dressed up like a meme. There is no read here that is good and I now wish to turbo you.
Now initially, I disregarded this point from Mac since it was the early game. However, one thing I noticed is this:

He makes wording that partially ties Jack to Nanook's alignment for whatever reason before Jack is correctly eliminated and

He makes no mention or effort to discern Polypies' alignment until its Mid-to-near-EoD2, when Polypies is being put on the choping block:

Made wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:32 pm Are we just voting poly cuz low participation?
novaselinenever wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:50 am Made's post 2781 is extremely ugly. It does nothing except shade the wagon, it doesn't reflect someone wanting to figuring out what's going on and the reasoning behind the switch or the suspicion on Poly. Weird tone, kind of like they're disappointed lol.
This is in response to the quote above from Made, by Novaselinenever. Now, regardless of what you think of Nova, I strongly believe in the points he made here; in fact isn't this something a mafia teammate who has TMI on their teammates may unintentionally show?
Made wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:00 pm
112 wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:58 pm are we just gonna give joe mama an all-game pass?
This is kinda why I’m not for poly; poly, Joe mama, chuck are in the same bull bucket in my head, and I think we have better than null to work with.
Made wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:00 am
Made wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:32 pm Are we just voting poly cuz low participation?
Standing by this. Poly made as much sense as any other low poster. Good shot tho vig

Gonna start my day with a sig :charlieblackmon:

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine
Once again he's implying that Poly's alignment should be compared or tied with someone else's, just like with Jack/Sloonei earlier on D1, and doubles-down on it later.

This strongly implies or shows association with Sloonei/Jack and Polypies as plausible teammates.


EVIDENCE ARTICLE TWO:

One question:

Why did the obliterator target Made N1 despite knowing it would be announced?


Seriously. It reportedly said he was targeted for being a tracker, but to be quite honest I didn't get that impression from him.

Additionally, look back to Evidence Article One. Do you think a villager with hedgey-as-heck reads is that much of a threat?

I mean, sure, they are being town-read at that time. But where's the threat? I don't see anything that makes them a bigger target than everyone else out in the field of townies to target.

And there's technically not as much risk in showing that he's town-cleared, because neither the Mastermind nor the Mafia know who:

1) The 3P's are
and
2) Who the Traitor is.

If they accidentally mis-cleared someone, it would be VERY EASY to clean it up. So why have they held off on the guesses?

I think the answer is clear. This was an obliterator attempt purely meant for WIFOM, and Made is an outed mafia teammate. Especially since I'm the only one bringing this up so far IIRC.

EVIDENCE ARTICLE THREE:
Made wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:51 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:41 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:41 pm
[Reads list snipped from quote]
I like this list. I think I'm at a similar place but I'm not confident. I'd move Kyle and Joe to the null category though.
Finding myself a bit further from the mindmeld, but here’s where I am at. Order is just what happened when I rearranged Martin’s list.
Town (13/16)
Made
Alison
Stupid Sexy Flanders
Kylemii
Falcon45ca
Tutuu
Macdougall
112
Nutella
Thundercat
Grand Scheme
KZA
Thunal33

Null (4 undecided)
Joe who?
NIK
Martín
Myo

Scum (5)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Nova
Sig
Sabie12
Chuck
Also this looks like scummy self-consciousness, he immediately makes a similar reads list like I did, but he puts me in null??? He also does this WHILE QUOTING someone else's reaction to it, so he clearly felt it was prompted despite having never been asked to make one at that point. Only reason to do so from a remotely towny perspective without prompt, I would imagine, is if he town-read me. And even then they would probably be trying to solve the game with other townies.

This is put in a spoiler out of pity for mobile user's eyes



@novaselinenever
@nutella

I think you two guys would want to or need to see this. I apologize that it's a wall, but I divided it into 3 separate articles of evidence.

I personally think Made is AT THE VERY LEAST way too risky to be let alive for long. He's just scum, specifically one of the last two mafia that can talk with their allies and the mastermind. Or maybe he is the mastermind if mastermind can self-target.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:34 am
by MartinGG99
I can [VOTE: Made] aubergine

But my vote counts for 0 currently due to my deal with the Gambit Demon (Apparently it went through despite the role-block onto me).

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:35 am
by nutella
Yeah those are some good points.

I just also think his early stuff was really towny and that post I quoted earlier tonight was also really towny.

But I can see the argument. Probably wouldn't vote there today still. :shrug:

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:35 am
by MartinGG99
Anyways I could dig-up more evidence

But that wall is a good summary of what I think are the stronger points against him.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:35 am
by nutella
I think he's a decent candidate to be oracled tbh

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:37 am
by MartinGG99
Or that.

Lets oracle target Made @KZA :feb:

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:41 am
by MartinGG99
:o

Tutuu's username is now purple!

Wait, that means I'll be losing my purple soon :c

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:42 am
by MartinGG99
Tbh I've grown quite accustomed to it

Going to be so disorienting to see myself with a username color that doesn't match part of my avatar.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:48 am
by MartinGG99
Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:50 am
by MartinGG99
Anyways I'll be off for the next 10 hours or so

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:56 am
by Stupid Sexy Flanders
MartinGG99 wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:48 am Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.
It's not unusual for maf members to completely ignore each other in the thread, never interact and to suss eachother. Creating distance is powerful.

Out of everything you outlined in spoilers, article 3 speaks to me the most. I get all bent out of shape when someone claims to have the same reads as me but shades me as scum. Especially when they're late to the party with a reads list and present the status quo.

I also hate logic gaps in lists. It's really the sole reason I'm holding onto thunderpants as a scum read. Go back to that list of his. Guy has NIK scummed up with pretty much everyone on his D1 wagon. The same night we lynched scum.
Based on his list we're to believe the entire scum team was voting for wolf bro NIK while another wolf gets lynched.
Fucking lists.
Like I guess thunder could have constructed that list independently of dynamics, like he claimed. I still think he's fos.
Fun to play play with, but probably scum.

Mac has reasons too. Can't remember what they are though

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:04 am
by Kylemii
NIK wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:17 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:14 am Somebody get Kza a motherbleepin gun already!

If he's not flipping me it should be Kyle
who dafuq is kyle
i am not opposed to being role flipped if that's what the powers that be think is best. i know i can be a frustrating read through midgame basically by design, though selfishly speaking i will learn nothing from my role being revealed which is less exciting for me, individually, as a person.

also, i am kyle.
MartinGG99 wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:31 amYou missed fun stuff like this BBcode
holy shit
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:41 amI'm not sold on Thunder and Kylemmi. They're both in a very uncomfortable zone for me. They seem towny in a superficial way.
this is correct

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:07 am
by Kylemii
the person having their role flipped will almost certainly die by soup kill, so in that respect, i wouldn't be a horrible choice since my contributions have been lacking of luster

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:09 am
by Kylemii
can anyone who's played with NIK before tell me if they're usually this chaotic?

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:10 am
by MacDougall
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:56 am
MartinGG99 wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:48 am Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.
It's not unusual for maf members to completely ignore each other in the thread, never interact and to suss eachother. Creating distance is powerful.

Out of everything you outlined in spoilers, article 3 speaks to me the most. I get all bent out of shape when someone claims to have the same reads as me but shades me as scum. Especially when they're late to the party with a reads list and present the status quo.

I also hate logic gaps in lists. It's really the sole reason I'm holding onto thunderpants as a scum read. Go back to that list of his. Guy has NIK scummed up with pretty much everyone on his D1 wagon. The same night we lynched scum.
Based on his list we're to believe the entire scum team was voting for wolf bro NIK while another wolf gets lynched.
Fucking lists.
Like I guess thunder could have constructed that list independently of dynamics, like he claimed. I still think he's fos.
Fun to play play with, but probably scum.

Mac has reasons too. Can't remember what they are though
Thundercat perspective slipped on their read on me I feel

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:11 am
by Kylemii
removing my vote from Sexy Flanders and placing on [VOTE: NIK] aubergine

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:13 am
by Kylemii
Kylemii wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:11 am removing my vote from Sexy Flanders and placing on [VOTE: NIK] aubergine
fuck. ok. better

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:13 am
by Made
Okay, so

Article one assumes implications of my badness, not that i'm bad
I was the first to acknowledge Article two (which yes, is a very flavorful wifom) but I leaned into it cuz I was fronting 3p
and Article three, I was realizing that i was starting to become distant from the mindmeld, so I wanted to tell everyone where I was and the names were close enough to the right order so...

Look, I may have trust issue, I but I figured you out one post later Mr. Martin

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:15 am
by sabie12
I have not seen where there is any actual case on me just a bunch of people piling votes on me. Cool. I'll assume it's because I haven't been super involved which I get because the timing of things hasn't worked out great for me in this game so like I haven't gotten super into it.
I didn't realize it was okay to just vote people and not say anything as to why but that seems to be the trend now. That makes this game so much easier then.
So in that case [VOTE: made] aubergine I don't understand his motivations behind some of the things he's said and I find him scummy. I'm going to sleep and enjoy my day and not think about this game anymore because I don't want to.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:19 am
by Kylemii
doesn't article 2 rely on the mafia and obliterator working together? i guess i'm a little confused on this dynamic. if made is a mafia teammember and he willingly let the obliterator who needs him dead to win know his identity then.....? wait.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:23 am
by Kylemii
the obliterator doesn't need to kill the mafia, but the mafia wants to kill the obliterator. possibly, the mastermind obliterator would be making their path to victory harder by weakening the mafia, because they can yoink the mafia's win con, but then why are the mafia members anonymous? i guess to hide the identity of the obliterator who the mafia would naturally need to bus if they want to win?

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:28 am
by Kylemii
sorry, back on track. for article 2 to work, wouldn't that imply the obliterator and made are working together.... okay i'm sleepy and dumb right now. i will come back to this later and try and figure out what i was thinking now

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:30 am
by Kylemii
@Made what were hints you dropped to try and rolebait the obliterator into thinking you were the tracker, i'm not seeing anything.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:48 am
by Alison
Okay I'm just going to admit it. I'm going to slank for a bit and just vote whoever nutella's voting. Finals week is coming up and we're enough ahead this game (and have a bunch of town power) that it just feels like Radiohead where we literally just go through the POE and not think too hard. I tend to drop off in these situations and coupled with the IRL stuff it means my WIM is fading.

If someone can keep me appraised of important stuff (claims, mech situations, etc.) that I need to be aware of, let me know.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:55 am
by KZA
Thinking I want to resolve from Made, sabie, and NIK

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:56 am
by KZA
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:56 am
MartinGG99 wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:48 am Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.
It's not unusual for maf members to completely ignore each other in the thread, never interact and to suss eachother. Creating distance is powerful.

Out of everything you outlined in spoilers, article 3 speaks to me the most. I get all bent out of shape when someone claims to have the same reads as me but shades me as scum. Especially when they're late to the party with a reads list and present the status quo.

I also hate logic gaps in lists. It's really the sole reason I'm holding onto thunderpants as a scum read. Go back to that list of his. Guy has NIK scummed up with pretty much everyone on his D1 wagon. The same night we lynched scum.
Based on his list we're to believe the entire scum team was voting for wolf bro NIK while another wolf gets lynched.
Fucking lists.
Like I guess thunder could have constructed that list independently of dynamics, like he claimed. I still think he's fos.
Fun to play play with, but probably scum.

Mac has reasons too. Can't remember what they are though
God this is driving me crazy. Thundercat gave a pretty sound explanation for that list to me.

Are you scum Lucky?

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:41 am
by novaselinenever
A beautiful morning

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [NIGHT 1]

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:18 am
by falcon45ca
Thundercat wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:12 am
Thundercat wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:05 am
Alison wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:55 am Also while I have CDCers here I'm pleased to announce that I'm moving to Canada for college in January and have decided to take up watching hockey to smooth my integration into the country, does anyone have any tips for how to get started?

It's sooo appropriate and delicious that the 2112th post in the thread is a post about someone moving to Canada.

Spoiler: show

Requoting for attention from the music lovers.

:band:
Epic. I cried when Neil Peart died

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:56 am
by Thunal33
MartinGG99 wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:45 am
nutella wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:41 am Clear til the cows come home
Martin
Kza
Flanders
Alison

Pretty dang town
Kyle
112
Falcon
tutuu
Grand scheme
Thunal
Made


Fine, might be wolf here
Joewho
Mac
Nova
sig
thundercat

Meh
Chuck
Nik

Bleh
Myo
Nanook
Sabie
Preety good reads imo

Only difference I have is on Made's towniness (or scumminess I should say)

But that's just my conspiracy theory, and can be left for another day if need be.
I do think Made looks fairly good from his post about a roleblocker and the attempt to kill him. I don't think the mastermind would waste their kill on someone they know to be mafia. I don't think Made is cleared town but I think there's mech evidence that points to him being town.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:00 pm
by Thundercat
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:56 am
MartinGG99 wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:48 am Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.
It's not unusual for maf members to completely ignore each other in the thread, never interact and to suss eachother. Creating distance is powerful.

Out of everything you outlined in spoilers, article 3 speaks to me the most. I get all bent out of shape when someone claims to have the same reads as me but shades me as scum. Especially when they're late to the party with a reads list and present the status quo.

I also hate logic gaps in lists. It's really the sole reason I'm holding onto thunderpants as a scum read. Go back to that list of his. Guy has NIK scummed up with pretty much everyone on his D1 wagon. The same night we lynched scum.
Based on his list we're to believe the entire scum team was voting for wolf bro NIK while another wolf gets lynched.
Fucking lists.
Like I guess thunder could have constructed that list independently of dynamics, like he claimed. I still think he's fos.
Fun to play play with, but probably scum.

Mac has reasons too. Can't remember what they are though
In a game with 25 players and having missed like ~20 pages of content, I had a hard time figuring out exactly what was going on. Hence I browsed through some isos and gave my reads based on that. I don't have any other defense for this point though, I guess it's still up to you to take it or leave it.

I probably won't address this issue anymore, as it's feeling repetitive to do so.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:07 pm
by Thunal33
MartinGG99 wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:33 am Here are thy lists of issues and grievances that I have with Made:
Spoiler: show

EVIDENCE ARTICLE ONE:
MacDougall wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:00 am
Made wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:56 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:28 am Gimme a readslist Made.
We don't serve readslist at this bistro... only....

~~~ H a w t T a k e s ~~~
_______________________
vol 3.

Today we are serving

The Tutuu: was fresh earlier, but is quite stale today tbh.

The Thunal: may be going bad as well, but started fresher than the Tutuu for sure

People stopped ordering the 112, all at once. now they're throwing it out?

The Sig is immitation, but no one's seemed to notice so :shrug:

Alison /w a side of Nutella is a special this week, but the Nutella is VERY option. A treat deceptively low in calories, but entirely unoffensive.

I'm learning the Flanders is an aquired taste, quite bitter-- but still fresh

Martin looks good, but empty calories I'd say

The GS is murky, but taste okay. Needs to be marinated further.

Our Kyles are a hit, but potential a flash in the pan longing for SUBSTANCE

There's a guy name Joseph who works here....

The nova is foul ngl, but, like the GS, it's not order by critics often. A critic's review of either dish is in order

The Nanook is bland--tasteless , and the Jack is hated by critics, I trust the critics but it's fan's aren't exactly the most cultured....

We are considering adding Boknows to the menu, but again bland. Ngl, I haven't had much of this dish

the Polypie exist.

Steer clear of the KZA, also imitation.
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This is a hedgy do nothing post dressed up like a meme. There is no read here that is good and I now wish to turbo you.
Now initially, I disregarded this point from Mac since it was the early game. However, one thing I noticed is this:

He makes wording that partially ties Jack to Nanook's alignment for whatever reason before Jack is correctly eliminated and

He makes no mention or effort to discern Polypies' alignment until its Mid-to-near-EoD2, when Polypies is being put on the choping block:

Made wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:32 pm Are we just voting poly cuz low participation?
novaselinenever wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:50 am Made's post 2781 is extremely ugly. It does nothing except shade the wagon, it doesn't reflect someone wanting to figuring out what's going on and the reasoning behind the switch or the suspicion on Poly. Weird tone, kind of like they're disappointed lol.
This is in response to the quote above from Made, by Novaselinenever. Now, regardless of what you think of Nova, I strongly believe in the points he made here; in fact isn't this something a mafia teammate who has TMI on their teammates may unintentionally show?
Made wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:00 pm
112 wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:58 pm are we just gonna give joe mama an all-game pass?
This is kinda why I’m not for poly; poly, Joe mama, chuck are in the same bull bucket in my head, and I think we have better than null to work with.
Made wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:00 am
Made wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:32 pm Are we just voting poly cuz low participation?
Standing by this. Poly made as much sense as any other low poster. Good shot tho vig

Gonna start my day with a sig :charlieblackmon:

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine
Once again he's implying that Poly's alignment should be compared or tied with someone else's, just like with Jack/Sloonei earlier on D1, and doubles-down on it later.

This strongly implies or shows association with Sloonei/Jack and Polypies as plausible teammates.


EVIDENCE ARTICLE TWO:

One question:

Why did the obliterator target Made N1 despite knowing it would be announced?


Seriously. It reportedly said he was targeted for being a tracker, but to be quite honest I didn't get that impression from him.

Additionally, look back to Evidence Article One. Do you think a villager with hedgey-as-heck reads is that much of a threat?

I mean, sure, they are being town-read at that time. But where's the threat? I don't see anything that makes them a bigger target than everyone else out in the field of townies to target.

And there's technically not as much risk in showing that he's town-cleared, because neither the Mastermind nor the Mafia know who:

1) The 3P's are
and
2) Who the Traitor is.

If they accidentally mis-cleared someone, it would be VERY EASY to clean it up. So why have they held off on the guesses?

I think the answer is clear. This was an obliterator attempt purely meant for WIFOM, and Made is an outed mafia teammate. Especially since I'm the only one bringing this up so far IIRC.

EVIDENCE ARTICLE THREE:
Made wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:51 pm
Thunal33 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:41 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:41 pm
[Reads list snipped from quote]
I like this list. I think I'm at a similar place but I'm not confident. I'd move Kyle and Joe to the null category though.
Finding myself a bit further from the mindmeld, but here’s where I am at. Order is just what happened when I rearranged Martin’s list.
Town (13/16)
Made
Alison
Stupid Sexy Flanders
Kylemii
Falcon45ca
Tutuu
Macdougall
112
Nutella
Thundercat
Grand Scheme
KZA
Thunal33

Null (4 undecided)
Joe who?
NIK
Martín
Myo

Scum (5)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Nova
Sig
Sabie12
Chuck
Also this looks like scummy self-consciousness, he immediately makes a similar reads list like I did, but he puts me in null??? He also does this WHILE QUOTING someone else's reaction to it, so he clearly felt it was prompted despite having never been asked to make one at that point. Only reason to do so from a remotely towny perspective without prompt, I would imagine, is if he town-read me. And even then they would probably be trying to solve the game with other townies.

This is put in a spoiler out of pity for mobile user's eyes



@novaselinenever
@nutella

I think you two guys would want to or need to see this. I apologize that it's a wall, but I divided it into 3 separate articles of evidence.

I personally think Made is AT THE VERY LEAST way too risky to be let alive for long. He's just scum, specifically one of the last two mafia that can talk with their allies and the mastermind. Or maybe he is the mastermind if mastermind can self-target.
You don't have to townread someone to like the way they made a readslist. I don't think the readslist point means much. I don't really like the "we're not yeeting Poly since he hasn't done anything" since it could come from a mindset of saving a teammate, but I said similar so it could easily come from town too.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:07 pm
by Thundercat
One thing I'm not getting

(!) placed before a variable in javascript gives a logical opposite.

(!) place before a name in a mafia does not appear to give a logical opposite.



What does the (!) mean?

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:12 pm
by Thundercat
One of the points against Made is that he defended a Poly chop because Poly was equivalent to any other low poster. If you want to make that argument against Made, you should have a reason to think Poly was not interchangeable with other low posters.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:20 pm
by Grand Scheme
Thundercat wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:07 pm One thing I'm not getting

(!) placed before a variable in javascript gives a logical opposite.

(!) place before a name in a mafia does not appear to give a logical opposite.



What does the (!) mean?
This. A thousand times, this!

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 2] Rolling in the Deep

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:43 pm
by sabie12
NIK wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 am
sabie12 wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:01 am NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?
NIK is still mos def a worthy lynch. No idea about polypies, but they're not the only player doing that.
Sure if its for being useless i agree. For being scummy i think your case is lacking
Im not getting lynched tho..well its a possibility but i dont think so
Well I hate to keep going down this same road but like NIK posted this and then towards EOD the poll moved away from them and they didn't get chopped. Did NIK have teammates that helped? I don't know I still think NIKs ISO is scummy.

Hate to go down this road again but

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I think scum must be having fun getting everyone to vote for me because I'm an easy target since I haven't been around much. It's funny how one or two people just said hey vote sabie just because and then a bunch of people hopped on. Easy way for mafia to jump on to a mischop.

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:30 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
nutella wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:02 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:47 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:43 pm
112 wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:01 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:53 pm I have a super hard time believing either of these are scum fake claiming what is going on here
TMI???
yeah also like i thought you were obviously joking and nanook specifically not thinking that is odd to me but maybe im projecting
I mean I clearly didn’t think it was serious

Or, well, serious isn’t the right word. Uh...in earnest, I guess? I didn’t think it was a claim that would stick let’s put it that way
i mean the "what is going on here" didnt seem like you just assumed she was joking, you seemed to be questioning why she would be fakeclaiming there? idk how to word this but it seemed awkward and this explanation is even more awkward and i think 112 may be right that you had tmi and didnt know how to react
Massive eyeroll

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:31 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Thundercat wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:56 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:44 pm I could may eaccept a volume townread on nova I can’t accept a “he wrote a paragraph tho” read on him
What's the difference between the two?
Volume = a lot of posts

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:39 pm
by tutuu
wait what claims who claimed wut

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:40 pm
by tutuu
oh ok i saw

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:53 pm
by Grand Scheme
tutuu wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:39 pm wait what claims who claimed wut
:feb: You feel like claiming, sister? :feb:

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:54 pm
by tutuu
Grand Scheme wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:53 pm
tutuu wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:39 pm wait what claims who claimed wut
:feb: You feel like claiming, sister? :feb:
i claim doc ;)

Re: Shadow Corridors Mafia [DAY 3] Renewed Vigor

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:54 pm
by tutuu
Spoiler: show
(real doc do not actually cc me)