Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[nutella]

that's the second day in a row where ive ended with my vote on a wolf, so anyone that still thinks im mafia just let me continue burying the rest of my team pls

ill figure this game out later

thats exactly what you do when youre mafia tho

[Lime Coke]

Strongest Townreads:

Anne
SPF
Leetic/Illario
Marmot

Anne is lock town due to being the counterwagon to both mafia members and her leading the vote on Mac.
I actually had Anne listed over Alexa for both emphasis and to annoy Alexa after her uncalled for comment on me yesterday.
SPF also lock town and meta and game actions have pointed towards this.
Leetic/Illario are lock town because Illario planting his vote on vanity wagons is town!indicative of him and Leetic is a damn hero.
Marmot I have just about lock town based on the fact that he was on both mafia wagons and his solving feels fine.

I'll get to others later in the phase but this is where I'm starting my reads.

[iaafr]

are you a dayvig or a vig?

i am a town loyal godfather dayvig (1-shot) (nanooks role)

idk if theres a town rolecop to confirm that, that'd hard confirm me, but

i can target during the day and they only die if theyre my faction

[Marmot]

I thought a backup replaces a role that died previously in the game. Was that Jay's roie or what?

[iaafr]

sigh i was really really hoping that'd be the red

now this is a mess and i almost want to die

[Marmot]

are you a dayvig or a vig?

i am a town loyal godfather dayvig (1-shot) (nanooks role)

idk if theres a town rolecop to confirm that, that'd hard confirm me, but

i can target during the day and they only die if theyre my faction

:O

[nutella]

ok i just flipped NAA town with the loyal dayvig (backed up nanook)

so apparently im likely 2/3 or 1/3

this isn't clearing

for Reasons i don't feel like explaining

btw im no longer vanilla

i thought of killing leetic just because he annoys me tbh but i think i have a better use of my current role

did you become no longer vanilla just this sod?

n2 universal backup

ye this is actually making me more paranoid of iaafr also for Reasons i might explain at some point

[Marmot]

sigh i was really really hoping that'd be the red

now this is a mess and i almost want to die

Why is this a mess?

[iaafr]

sigh i was really really hoping that'd be the red

now this is a mess and i almost want to die

Why is this a mess?

because people are suspecting me anyway and it'd have been a lot cleaner if i achieved targeting scum and being able to claim a clean 50/50

[leetic]

Looked up Loyal on MafiaWiki, and iaafr is clear. PoE down to nutella/Esooa/Dyslexicon

[iaafr]

there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure

[nutella]

lol fuck it im so confused imma just claim

i'm the vanilla cop, i check ppl and get whether theyre vanilla or not

n1 i targeted naa and my action failed
n2 i targeted iaafr and i got the result that he is vanilla

so if he was supposed to become nonvanilla on n2 something is amiss

[anne]

nvm i reread nanook's role and iaafr's claim isnt as sketchy as i first thought i was just confused

[leetic]

there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure

If nutella and Esooa are town, then who else could it be?

[nutella]

i'd believe that my check goes through before his thing takes over, but also does "backup" usually count as "vanilla" i guess i could see that working but also he could be a vanilla mafia goon and mafia has the backup thingy somehow idk

[iaafr]

why would there be a vanilla cop in this game when my role pre-backup is like literally the only vanilla role lmfao

also idk the timing of hte processing but if my backup processed like a normal NA, i was still vanilla for all of n2 and only became what i became upon sod3 happening

[iaafr]

vanilla is literally in my role pm ftr

[Marmot]

sigh i was really really hoping that'd be the red

now this is a mess and i almost want to die

Why is this a mess?

because people are suspecting me anyway and it'd have been a lot cleaner if i achieved targeting scum and being able to claim a clean 50/50

You helped reduce the POE anyway, and I believe we still have wiggle room. 10 players left (ilario/leetic count as 1 here) and 2 wolves to find with probably 6 of those 10 players lock or close to lock town.

That means that we have 2 misyeets to spare. IF that list of 4 is correct, the game is locked.

[nutella]

there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure

i definitely have a nonzero amount of tinfoil on leetic/illario atp

[iaafr]

there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure

If nutella and Esooa are town, then who else could it be?

i currently dont think it's nutella still but my poe is narrowing

i currently do think esooa is likely mafia

anne is still compatible and im not hard convinced it's not anne but overnight i thought her eod2 was towny on its own

ugh independently i still read dizzy town

it's really hard when esooa is like

the only thing i have resembling a genuine scumread

[nutella]

why would there be a vanilla cop in this game when my role pre-backup is like literally the only vanilla role lmfao

also idk the timing of hte processing but if my backup processed like a normal NA, i was still vanilla for all of n2 and only became what i became upon sod3 happening

vanilla is literally in my role pm ftr

....how do you know you were the only vanilla what?

the rest of this makes sense i guess

[staypositivefriend]

did drwilgy ever claim how many shots he had? why didnt he shoot tonight?

[leetic]

Clear: iaafr
Lock town: Marmot, LC, anne
Town: spf, Wilgy
Others: nutella, Esooa, Dyslexicon

We can do this.

[nutella]

did drwilgy ever claim how many shots he had? why didnt he shoot tonight?

he claimed 1shot

[Marmot]

i'd believe that my check goes through before his thing takes over, but also does "backup" usually count as "vanilla" i guess i could see that working but also he could be a vanilla mafia goon and mafia has the backup thingy somehow idk

It depends on what vanilla means. It's possible that Wilgy would be considered vanillla now I guess since he has no more shots?

[nutella]

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

[iaafr]

why would there be a vanilla cop in this game when my role pre-backup is like literally the only vanilla role lmfao

also idk the timing of hte processing but if my backup processed like a normal NA, i was still vanilla for all of n2 and only became what i became upon sod3 happening

vanilla is literally in my role pm ftr

....how do you know you were the only vanilla what?

the rest of this makes sense i guess

i dont know for certain but the entire definitional premise of role madness is no true vanillas, and my role wasnt true true vanilla, it was just vanilla until backup

though i guess i remember there was a goon in the maf team in the last one too?

[nutella]

why would there be a vanilla cop in this game when my role pre-backup is like literally the only vanilla role lmfao

also idk the timing of hte processing but if my backup processed like a normal NA, i was still vanilla for all of n2 and only became what i became upon sod3 happening

vanilla is literally in my role pm ftr

....how do you know you were the only vanilla what?

the rest of this makes sense i guess

i dont know for certain but the entire definitional premise of role madness is no true vanillas, and my role wasnt true true vanilla, it was just vanilla until backup

though i guess i remember there was a goon in the maf team in the last one too?

it's """light""" role madness, i assumed from the existence of my role that theres a handful of vanilla ppl including probably a goon ye

[staypositivefriend]

Clear: iaafr
Lock town: Marmot, LC, anne
Town: spf, Wilgy
Others: nutella, Esooa, Dyslexicon

We can do this.

remove anne from locktown imo - i agree that her being the counterwagon to a wolf 2 days in a row looks good for her overall but i dont think she's at the same level of marmot/LC

[anne]

im pretty sure wigly claimed to only have one shot

[Lime Coke]

there was a period of time i tinfoiled leetic/ilario but its kind of contingent on them continuing to be wrong on nutella/esooa

i dont think leetic/ilario are ever with esooa and esooa is still probably far more wolfy by 1:1 comparison

not sure

If nutella and Esooa are town, then who else could it be?

i currently dont think it's nutella still but my poe is narrowing

i currently do think esooa is likely mafia

anne is still compatible and im not hard convinced it's not anne but overnight i thought her eod2 was towny on its own

ugh independently i still read dizzy town

it's really hard when esooa is like

the only thing i have resembling a genuine scumread

Ehh, the fact that Dizzy was like...looking at Anne and was acting like she was trying to solve her, only to just throw her vote on Anne and provide 0 reasoning why is such a bad look though.

You still got possibly Wilgy but he was on the Mac wagon, but I have no idea when he jumped on it because everything was so chaotic.

[anne]

spf my eod was clearing for me because i dont usually bus as mafia in that manner, but i wont dispute whatever youre saying

[staypositivefriend]

spf my eod was clearing for me because i dont usually bus as mafia in that manner, but i wont dispute whatever youre saying

yeah i mean i think it looked pretty towny for you, im just not at "bet the game" levels

[leetic]

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

[nutella]

Clear: iaafr
Lock town: Marmot, LC, anne
Town: spf, Wilgy
Others: nutella, Esooa, Dyslexicon

We can do this.

remove anne from locktown imo - i agree that her being the counterwagon to a wolf 2 days in a row looks good for her overall but i dont think she's at the same level of marmot/LC

tbh i dont wanna be annoying about this but just reiterating that w/w wagons are in fact more common than people tend to assume and there were other counters both days so it's not impossible. and cassandra wolfread her. but it does make me less focused on her for now

[iaafr]

spf my eod was clearing for me because i dont usually bus as mafia in that manner, but i wont dispute whatever youre saying

who do you think you wouldve pushed as mafia in that gamestate

[staypositivefriend]

it's probably just esooa/wilgy and then maybe dizzy if one of those two is town

be back later

[Marmot]

I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

[anne]

well if it's a one-shot dayvig idk why nanook wouldnt have just claimed it

[anne]

spf my eod was clearing for me because i dont usually bus as mafia in that manner, but i wont dispute whatever youre saying

who do you think you wouldve pushed as mafia in that gamestate

NAA

[iaafr]

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

he can not have

i received info that the dayvig could not be used d1

and my role also only backs up remaining shots, and i had 1 shot and it started at 1 shot

nanook had no mech info

[leetic]

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

He was on Sloonei too

[Lime Coke]

Anne and SPF both know how good each other can be as wolves and paranoia happens but the actions from both this game speak that they're both town.

Now with that said, you two both get along.

[iaafr]

I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

what do you think of esooa

[anne]

i forcefully made the wagons between me and Mac when NAA was still a viable wagon, but repeatedly stated i wanted Mac over NAA

[nutella]

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

[Marmot]

I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

what do you think of esooa

I think she's scum, in particular the way she came into the thread and defended nutella at the start of Day 2, and then proceeded to wolfread me immediately but waited 12+ hours to provide reasoning for that.

That's my current take, will do some reading to get more info.

[Marmot]

Wait, could Nanook have used his ability D1? I remember him scumreading Wilgy for no stated reason

i assume not bc iaafr said it was 1shot so wouldnt have gotten the backup if it was used

I think nutella is a hit, given that her day has started with "I'm tinfoiling iaafr, I'm tinfoiling ilario/leetic, and I'm voting esooa"


I acknowledge that approach could come from her worldview being blown to bits, but I don't think that's it atm

well i'm not a hit

when i say tinfoil it usually means "i think this person is more likely town but have paranoia on them" and is not grounds for voting them, i still prefer to vote in my primary poe

Who's in your primary poe?

[nutella]

i still feel like dizzy is more in town meta than not and don't usually see him get poe'd this widely when he's wolf, but his vote record is ehhh and i keep defending wolves so i'm going to step back and admit i could be off base on him this game

[Lime Coke]

I'm a bit busy playing Jackbox so I'm not going to be as active but yeah my main townreads are stated I'll try to gain a read on the rest of the game.

If NAA and IAAFR are correctly cleared then this game should be a lock.