The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect

Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.

you came on all of a sudden with a big chat presence after being on poe, and your explanations are very forcing. either I'm misreading you completely or there is an agenda, and I'm a pessimist

This sounds like a damned if I do and damned if I don't though.
Like, I'm always chatty. I'm usually among the top posters, if I have the time.
I didn't have the time D1 and most of D2. Got more time towards end of D2. And hallo, here I am. So I'm going to post a lot (while I should be reading more tbh)

Why are my "explanations very forcing"? What do you mean by that?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:45 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:15 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:47 pm The timestamps for me are 7:26am for the vote post and 1:18pm for the next one, so it looks like they switched their vote to Wilgy and then dipped for a few hours, fine. But the poll doesn't match up. I was taking screenshots every once in a while, and a screenshot at 9:22am shows Dizzy's vote still on Fingersplints, the next screenshot at 10:58am shows the vote now on Wilgy. So basically somewhere between 2-4 hours after the vote post is when they voted in the poll, during a time when they weren't otherwise posting in the thread. Does this say anything about their alignment? No, I don't think it does. But it does lend some support to my gut feeling that they're not as disengaged as they appear, which is why I wanted some more eyes on them today.

I wouldn't touch Nate until FX.

This amuses me because you cleared me for a timestamp read in that hydra game. At least you're consistent :D

Oh shit, did I?

Well the last three people I cleared off timestamp reads didn't replicate it in their scum games so I'm still gonna trust it. I will be using timestamp reads until I get burned for them and it's been 4 years and I haven't.

You were also a wolf there trying to get me to back off you, so I wasn't sure if was an actual read or just strategic.

I don't remember that game, but if I was a wolf I was probably just mimicking my town play. I am notorious for being an ardent believer in clear people who make timestamp reads.

Now that you've said that:

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect

Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.

you came on all of a sudden with a big chat presence after being on poe, and your explanations are very forcing. either I'm misreading you completely or there is an agenda, and I'm a pessimist

FWIW, the afk -> coming in all of a sudden with a big chat presence is normal for Dizzy. I mentioned on D1 that I would be expecting to see that coming out and would vote him if he didn't.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:54 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect

Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.

you came on all of a sudden with a big chat presence after being on poe, and your explanations are very forcing. either I'm misreading you completely or there is an agenda, and I'm a pessimist

This sounds like a damned if I do and damned if I don't though.
Like, I'm always chatty. I'm usually among the top posters, if I have the time.
I didn't have the time D1 and most of D2. Got more time towards end of D2. And hallo, here I am. So I'm going to post a lot (while I should be reading more tbh)

Why are my "explanations very forcing"? What do you mean by that?

I also want to know why the frequency of my posting is alignment indicative to you, @lucy

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm It would be so cool if Marmot was mafia. I would really love that.

Your wish is my command

>: (

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm It would be so cool if Marmot was mafia. I would really love that.

Your wish is my command

>: (

I mean >: )

CONFLICTED

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:54 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect

Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.

you came on all of a sudden with a big chat presence after being on poe, and your explanations are very forcing. either I'm misreading you completely or there is an agenda, and I'm a pessimist

FWIW, the afk -> coming in all of a sudden with a big chat presence is normal for Dizzy. I mentioned on D1 that I would be expecting to see that coming out and would vote him if he didn't.

ah, I do remember that

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm It would be so cool if Marmot was mafia. I would really love that.

Your wish is my command

>: (

I mean >: )

CONFLICTED

There's room in the scum chat for you

I'm curious to see what Jay will bring back to the thread after this break

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm It would be so cool if Marmot was mafia. I would really love that.

Your wish is my command

>: (

I mean >: )

CONFLICTED

There's room in the scum chat for you

SCHTAP

This will be so much wifom for when I flip mafia

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:59 pm I'm curious to see what Jay will bring back to the thread after this break

I'm curious to what Sean's uncle is posting on Facebook.

Lmao

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:55 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:54 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect

Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.

you came on all of a sudden with a big chat presence after being on poe, and your explanations are very forcing. either I'm misreading you completely or there is an agenda, and I'm a pessimist

This sounds like a damned if I do and damned if I don't though.
Like, I'm always chatty. I'm usually among the top posters, if I have the time.
I didn't have the time D1 and most of D2. Got more time towards end of D2. And hallo, here I am. So I'm going to post a lot (while I should be reading more tbh)

Why are my "explanations very forcing"? What do you mean by that?

I also want to know why the frequency of my posting is alignment indicative to you, @lucy

lots of thread control after Mac and Sean died who had similar thread control, leaving you unchallenged. if you're right, and town, I will assume that you'll get chopped. its damned if you do and damned if you don't because I have to make a quick read on you that is less open to interpretation before break starts tbh.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:59 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:50 pm It would be so cool if Marmot was mafia. I would really love that.

Your wish is my command

>: (

I mean >: )

CONFLICTED

There's room in the scum chat for you

SCHTAP

This will be so much wifom for when I flip mafia

Are you shielding me?!

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:16 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:53 am I think that, from a pure meta perspective, Marmot’s points for fingersplints are decent. I have thought fingersplints seems comfortable and generally okay for the most part. I do have some misgivings that don’t relate to vibes or meta (e.g., her vote for falcon, her present treatment of you, her off-hand take that Seanzie/JJJ is T/T).

Well, yes. Probably all of this. Maybe it would help if I read through some of her previous town ISOs as well, to remind myself of her play.

The more I think about and get into the game, the more unsure I get. So we love that.

Same tbh. I've only looked at scum games

Did you ever do this @Marmot

I remember having played with Fingers. I remember feeling she has been obv town as town. (She probably has also been LHF as town). I still find her contributions to this game pretty weak.

But so are mine tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:16 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:53 am I think that, from a pure meta perspective, Marmot’s points for fingersplints are decent. I have thought fingersplints seems comfortable and generally okay for the most part. I do have some misgivings that don’t relate to vibes or meta (e.g., her vote for falcon, her present treatment of you, her off-hand take that Seanzie/JJJ is T/T).

Well, yes. Probably all of this. Maybe it would help if I read through some of her previous town ISOs as well, to remind myself of her play.

The more I think about and get into the game, the more unsure I get. So we love that.

Same tbh. I've only looked at scum games

Did you ever do this @Marmot

I remember having played with Fingers. I remember feeling she has been obv town as town. (She probably has also been LHF as town). I still find her contributions to this game pretty weak.

But so are mine tbh

No, but thanks for the reminder. I might need another one after the break

I do think fingersplints almost always falls into the lhf category

Imma take off since the thread probably should be locked now

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:55 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:54 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:43 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:41 pmcorrect

Cool. Can you say why? All I remember you saying about me is that I could be planning to stay more disengaged or something. Which gives you no gold stars.

you came on all of a sudden with a big chat presence after being on poe, and your explanations are very forcing. either I'm misreading you completely or there is an agenda, and I'm a pessimist

This sounds like a damned if I do and damned if I don't though.
Like, I'm always chatty. I'm usually among the top posters, if I have the time.
I didn't have the time D1 and most of D2. Got more time towards end of D2. And hallo, here I am. So I'm going to post a lot (while I should be reading more tbh)

Why are my "explanations very forcing"? What do you mean by that?

I also want to know why the frequency of my posting is alignment indicative to you, @lucy

lots of thread control after Mac and Sean died who had similar thread control, leaving you unchallenged. if you're right, and town, I will assume that you'll get chopped. its damned if you do and damned if you don't because I have to make a quick read on you that is less open to interpretation before break starts tbh.

She's been infected.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:00 pmlots of thread control after Mac and Sean died who had similar thread control, leaving you unchallenged. if you're right, and town, I will assume that you'll get chopped. its damned if you do and damned if you don't because I have to make a quick read on you that is less open to interpretation before break starts tbh.

Eh. I don't think I have thread control. I'm not trying to take thread control either, I'm trying to make sense of things, and most of all find a direction to sheep or build towards. But like, I don't think I'm coming in all control-y or whatever.

I don't see how my presence is like Mac's or Sean's. And would that not make me town, or no? So confused as to what you're saying.

Ngl, but this take of yours seems kind of bullshit-y, I regret to inform you.

I hope we all have a restful break. Analyze the poop out of the game if that's your thing, or chill out and do something else if that's your thing. Whatever allows us to finish strong, k.

Boqqed tbh

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:03 pm I do think fingersplints almost always falls into the lhf category

Yeah, but I distinctly remember to be able to read her. So why have I not made my mind up here? Hmmmmm

HMMMMMMM

Yeah, we should break. I should read the rest of D2 and D3.

And things.

I'm enjoying this game so far. Not stressful.

Glgl, luv you all. Hope yall get rest

How to Put the Wolves in a Boq

this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

This is a towny statement oof

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Gn all

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

Welcome to The Syndicate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:07 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

Welcome to The Syndicate.

Fleabag and Lion King were easy

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

Agreed

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:07 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

Welcome to The Syndicate.

Fleabag and Lion King were easy

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:07 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

Agreed

Agreed

Thank you all for respecting the announced start time for the thread being locked (give or take a few minutes). While I knew that I would be out of town and reliant on my phone to lock the thread, I did not realize that I was going to be in a location that teetered back and forth between no service whatsoever and a single bar.

I was not able to lock it until I got home several hours later. Thank you for respecting me, your host, as well as your fellow players.

The game now resumes until the Day 3 poll deadline.

Did we have a nice nap, gang?

I have a number of reviews to share, but I will refrain from spamming them in case folks are around with immediate thoughts. I can stagger their arrival.

Hey, we're back.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:07 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:06 pm this game is so much harder than the qualifier tbh

Agreed

We didn't get a wolf until Day 4 in mine, so this doesn't feel quite so bad yet :P

Hello, friends. I'm still reading right now, and I find this game very interesting.

I have flipped a lot of my reads. Stay tuned.

Good morning.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

I have iso'd marmot, I think he's probably town tbh. I was mad that he was pushing and made a mistake concerning me

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:16 pm [VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

I have iso'd marmot, I think he's probably town tbh. I was mad that he was pushing and made a mistake concerning me

Is there any single thing that most sold you on Marmot?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:17 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:16 pm [VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

I have iso'd marmot, I think he's probably town tbh. I was mad that he was pushing and made a mistake concerning me

Is there any single thing that most sold you on Marmot?

You asked me almost the same question. =)

@Alison Would very much like your thoughts on Jimmay and Creature in particular

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:19 pm You asked me almost the same question. =)

#slooneistrats

I'll be in and out tonight, but I'll drop what I was working on over the pause. In the first part of the day, I was pretty comfortable with a starting POE of Fingersplints / Creature / Dizzy, but winning POE at this point is 5 and I was not having an easy time figuring out who else I would slot in there, mainly because there are points for and against everyone, nobody's "obvious" in a game like this. So I went through and summarized the pluses and minuses for myself (in alphabetical order):

Alison
+ Switched to Falcon near EOD rather than staying off wagon.
+ Questioning others’ posts in ways that are detailed and have a point (rather than open-ended questions that don’t lead anywhere).
- Quick turnaround from suspecting me to helping me push Fingersplints (this is paranoia that turns into a big plus if Fingersplints flips wolf obviously).

Boq
+ Putting energy into sorting Rondo, who is a player that would be easy to leave in general POE tbh.
+ In general, seems to be sorting with an open mind tbh.
+ Brought up the idea that Sean’s kill points to a wolf in himself/Jay/Alison.
= Didn’t vote for Falcon but did put him at bottom POE at a key point while also saying he thought they could be a potential mischop. (Also reminded Jay on D2 that he (Boq) had scumleaned Falcon and should be looked at along with Falcon voters, which looks good tbh)
- Started the final Wilgy wagon tbh.
- Scum lean and vote on Marmot D1 seemed weak tbh (partly based on lack of activity when Marmot said he wouldn’t be around until later in the phase).
- Pockety tbh.

Creature
+ Started the late Ender wagon D1 instead of just letting Falcon go over.
= Gave an early townread of Fingersplints when she hadn’t really posted anything yet and then walked it back when asked about it.
-- Has seemed superficially interested in others’ reasoning but hasn’t seemed to actually care about cases.
- In the middle voters for both Falcon and Wilgy, though they ended up on other wagons.
- Dropped off D2 and especially D3 (only 2 comments so far).

Dizzy
+ Now that they’ve caught up I can see more behind their reads.
- Middle vote for both mischops.
- Votes in general seem more informed D1/D2 than their thread presence would suggest.
- Pockety.

Ender
+ Putting more thoughts in the thread lately.
+ Not playing the same as the qualifier.
- Not playing the same as the qualifier.
- Not much in-thread lead up to his Falcon vote after the early town lean.
- Middle vote for both mischops (though with Falcon he was a middle voter, left, and then came back near EOD, so that one’s more neutral for me).
- NKA wise, Seanzie pushed Ender both days.

Finger
+ The early town lean on Falcon was when he was an early wagon.
= Seemed interested in pushing Falcon over Creature specifically.
-- Middle Falcon voter, relied on others’ reasoning.
- Has promised analysis but hasn’t followed through much.
- Mild NKA, Seanzie was pushing the Fingersplints wagon for a while.

JJJ
++ ISOs and unpairing work don’t strike me as superficial (case in point: asking me about discrepancy in Dizzy’s vote when doing that ISO)
+ Pushed back against the Wilgy chop
- Mild NKA, Seanzie was tinfoiling Jay early D2.

Lucy
+ Seems really similar to her town game in her qualifier.
+ Votes are difficult to see any agenda in. Last vote for the mischop D1 when it didn’t matter, ended on sleep D2.
= No reads unless pressed to give them, but they’ve been mostly non-consensus when she has.

Marmot
++ Vote moves are for reasons I can generally follow (called out Ender’s progression on Falcon D1 to vote there, backed off Sean with an ISO yesterday rather than just backing down)
+ Generally seems like they’re trying to solve people.
= 2nd vote for Wilgy, but the late move off to Creature and then back seems towny. Could have easily avoided ending up on the wagon.
- Looks the worst from basic NKA; Mac’s legacy was to kill Marmot if Falcon was town, Sean was pushing Marmot for much of D2.
- Lucy pushes feel off if Lucy’s town. D2 was piling on behind Sean. Today there were points where it felt like he was trying to get some flames going between Lucy and Dizzy.

Rondo
+ D2 felt much more focused from them (w!Rondo probably wouldn’t need to switch up what was working so far).
+ Pushed back on me saying they didn’t have reasoning for voting Fingersplints.
- Still a mild ping from encouraging Seanzie to keep Lucy in POE D1 (if she’s town).

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I think based on the above I could pull Ender into POE to get 4, but the 5th is the really tricky part because it requires considering the whole "is there a wolf in JJJ/Boq/Alison" question, and I think that's a question that will hopefully be clearer after a couple more flips (ideally one of them a wolf flip).

Anyway, nitpick!

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:26 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:20 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:15 pm Things Mac Said about People That Mac Said Things about


Alison - says Alison reeks of town for antoginizing Rondo. Later read her ISO and nothing stood out as scummy.

Boquise - has a bit of an altercation with Boq, then states a 99% certain townread

Creature - calls Creature quite townie. Later votes for Creature (I didn't find an explanation). Eventually calls Creature probably just town (thanks to input from sean)

DrWilgy - calls DrWilgy most suspicious player in the game aside from falcon. Maintains that suspicion later on

Dyslexicon - calls Dizzy town for playing in bystander mode. Eventually lists Dizzy in a POE (though most likely town in said POE)

EnderWiggin

fingersplints

JaggedJimmyJay - Do what Jay says until LYLO, then kill Jay if he's alive. Continues to list Jay as firmly a townread.

lucy - calls lucy town for being new and posting lots. Then had a long back and forth where he questioned why lucy was posting so much but not making reads. Later states a suspicion of her.

Marmot - His last post was to tunnel Marmot if falcon is a miss.

NateTheLesser - agreed with Nate's read on falcon.

RondoDimBuckle - consistent Rondo townreads. Eventually concedes that Rondo could be wolfing, but that he'll be killed at some point anyway.

Seanzie - called Sean town for openly engaging with Mac in a non-apprehensive way

link mac's message where he has a suspicion of me

Sorry lucy. This is the post in question, and I appear to have misread it. Mac stated a townread on you here.

this would've been too stupid to do intentionally, furthermore when he was mirroring Sean it would've been more valuable to keep Sean alive and a Sean kill doesn't really make sense with scum marmot. and his overall play feels opportunistic and straightforward, which means when he voted me it was in character and not out of character

Scolding reviews from Nate tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:24 pm Scolding reviews from Nate tbh

Yours wasn't that bad. I look forward to what you've got to say!

I tend to view Marmot as town as well. I think there's one significant question about him that I would call "half" answered at this point, and it will be clearer in my review. I'll just go ahead and post that.