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Wait how are dm wilgy ww?Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:50 pmYeah forgot lorab ig. But then dm/wilgy is w/w so lol.
I see Scotty as coming into today pushing svs before anything has started as +ev for him being a wolf
There arent enough possible wolves if lorab v.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:30 amWait how are dm wilgy ww?Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:50 pmYeah forgot lorab ig. But then dm/wilgy is w/w so lol.
Ahhh in the event ofBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:35 amThere arent enough possible wolves if lorab v.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:30 amWait how are dm wilgy ww?Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:50 pmYeah forgot lorab ig. But then dm/wilgy is w/w so lol.
why are u refusing thunal
I was told to ignore thunal by jjj and robyn so someone else can review things Scotty svs
Don't think W SVS makes this post. If we go with a missing slot, we don't hit SVS.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:55 am Guys I'm really sorry, for some reason I am very demoralized right now. Maybe being suspected after literally making one or two posts (for an actual not real reason) then every time I try to explain where I'm coming from, well I can't do it without mentioning Scotty, and he's like fucking Beetlejuice lol.
I had mostly town reads this whole game. Right now I am one zillion percent not caught up.
Town
Robyn, Cape, Rondo. I feel Befert for reasons, some things they've said . Maybe cause Robyn vouches, and I guess they know each other that well? I also feel Abi is town, but that could be a warm fuzzy cause she t/r'ed me early. I find it super unlikely I'll vote for these people. Or even impossible.
Not Sure, no reason to town read these people, but no reason to wolf read them either.
Thunal, Wilgy, they both seem in their possible town meta as I've observed it, Wilgy tries a bit more to act innocuous when he's bad, and Thunal is a bit more level when she's bad, imo. But they've both fooled me, and rather spectacularly might I add lol
Iffy imo (if it's possible Conf Bias, I'll note it):
Darling (possible conf bias), I'm not sure why Jay was so sure of towniness here, maybe cause Darling bolstered his hypotheses? At one point I thought DM and Jay could be the BTS roles, but apparently not. Scotty, I just can't shake it tbh. And the uber aggro way he comes at me every time I say "beetlejuice", um, Scotty, yeah, that's it.
I have no clue:
T's (it appears they've shown up, but I haven't read their posts yet) and LoRab. I doubt LoRab is gonna show, and that makes me sad, maybe more sad than people trying to wagon her on Hanukkah. But that's also based on personal info that I'm fairly sure no one else in game had. LC prolly knew but he was dead. On the night y'all were trying to lynch her, she was having her head shaved as part of a fund raiser for a childrens cancer charity. So I was in here watching pitchforks get shaken at her, and then on social watching her do good in the real world. So I kinda got salty and over reacted I guess.
And someone in my @'s said something about how my Michelle vote was too little too late or something to that effect.
I baldly stated I wanted to save LoRab regardless of affiliation, I wasn't exactly having a ball in here, lol, and wanted to make sure that LoRab wagon hadn't formed before I voted. I voted left the thread and apparently missed the LoRab wagon that subsequently formed.
I'll be back after work to hopefully read some more (like T's posts) and vote.
ive got bad news for youDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:36 amDon't think W SVS makes this post. If we go with a missing slot, we don't hit SVS.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:55 am Guys I'm really sorry, for some reason I am very demoralized right now. Maybe being suspected after literally making one or two posts (for an actual not real reason) then every time I try to explain where I'm coming from, well I can't do it without mentioning Scotty, and he's like fucking Beetlejuice lol.
I had mostly town reads this whole game. Right now I am one zillion percent not caught up.
Town
Robyn, Cape, Rondo. I feel Befert for reasons, some things they've said . Maybe cause Robyn vouches, and I guess they know each other that well? I also feel Abi is town, but that could be a warm fuzzy cause she t/r'ed me early. I find it super unlikely I'll vote for these people. Or even impossible.
Not Sure, no reason to town read these people, but no reason to wolf read them either.
Thunal, Wilgy, they both seem in their possible town meta as I've observed it, Wilgy tries a bit more to act innocuous when he's bad, and Thunal is a bit more level when she's bad, imo. But they've both fooled me, and rather spectacularly might I add lol
Iffy imo (if it's possible Conf Bias, I'll note it):
Darling (possible conf bias), I'm not sure why Jay was so sure of towniness here, maybe cause Darling bolstered his hypotheses? At one point I thought DM and Jay could be the BTS roles, but apparently not. Scotty, I just can't shake it tbh. And the uber aggro way he comes at me every time I say "beetlejuice", um, Scotty, yeah, that's it.
I have no clue:
T's (it appears they've shown up, but I haven't read their posts yet) and LoRab. I doubt LoRab is gonna show, and that makes me sad, maybe more sad than people trying to wagon her on Hanukkah. But that's also based on personal info that I'm fairly sure no one else in game had. LC prolly knew but he was dead. On the night y'all were trying to lynch her, she was having her head shaved as part of a fund raiser for a childrens cancer charity. So I was in here watching pitchforks get shaken at her, and then on social watching her do good in the real world. So I kinda got salty and over reacted I guess.
And someone in my @'s said something about how my Michelle vote was too little too late or something to that effect.
I baldly stated I wanted to save LoRab regardless of affiliation, I wasn't exactly having a ball in here, lol, and wanted to make sure that LoRab wagon hadn't formed before I voted. I voted left the thread and apparently missed the LoRab wagon that subsequently formed.
I'll be back after work to hopefully read some more (like T's posts) and vote.
@DrWilgy then what has been happening with the money?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:20 pmThere is only one world where there was 0 shot.
They had 1.5 N1 3 N2 and 4.5 N3
2 kills, so - 2 million = 2.5, so they either got the miselim protection or they lost their money since not killing and getting a miselim protection is basically the same. They didnt kill twice N2 and cape is not a baddy so it is likely that they lost all their money last night.
N1 .5 Extra N2 1 Mill extra, N3 2.5 > lynch protection and 5k left
N1 .5 Extra N2 1 mill extra N3 Lost all the money
N1 1.5 extra and vig N2 2 Mill extra and bought anti lynch protection. N3 lost money
N1 .5 Extra N2 lost money and vig N3 1.5 extra no kill for wifom?
Implying I trust anyone.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:47 amthen please trust me on svs +ev on wilgy being bad now
Neon killed a wolf, what intrigue?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:51 amImplying I trust anyone.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:47 amthen please trust me on svs +ev on wilgy being bad now
What happened to all the Abigail intrigue btw? What happened to that wagon?
I thought I had seen a wagon of people going after them.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:58 amNeon killed a wolf, what intrigue?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:51 amImplying I trust anyone.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:47 amthen please trust me on svs +ev on wilgy being bad now
What happened to all the Abigail intrigue btw? What happened to that wagon?
I could, but why?
good look for DMS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:06 pmYou kicked towns ass in Epis Don't Starve game, so I would think there's probably some life left in those bones yet.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:44 pmBless. And I am surprised too. JaggedJimmyJay is a memory of the Mafia world, an old pile of bones with a plaque situated in front of them recounting great deeds lost to history, interesting only to the most bored passers-by at The Syndicate Museum of Mafia.
@DarlingMonroe back in the day, if we had info, we took it and used it as a starting point to build a case, not unlike a murder mystery. Building the case isn't hard once you know a person is bad, it's easy to find the bread crumbs. What's hard is getting other people to listen to you.
Linki @Jay, see you're looking pretty alive to me.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 amProbably. We tend to circle, and in the last game we played, I was bad and railroaded him hideously. I would be surprised if he wasn't somewhat paranoid of me. I haven't read why he susses me yet, I'm answering my @'s first.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Watching your game, I figured out what triggers me about him, he has an almost theatricality about him, that I view as acting to an extent, and to me acting = (in a Mafia game) fake = bad. So I was kinda interested to see what our dynamic was here.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:31 amHumoring Jay? Nah. I kinda thought I was shading him a slight bit, tbh, with the call back to the game where he was bad.
How would saying jay fooled everyone as a baddie in a game, and pointing out that he was contradicting himself by being super active be "humoring" him? Poking someone with a small, soft stick =/= humoring.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:23 amYeah, that's why reading is fundamental.Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:09 pmI see you already made the points I madeS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:06 pmYou kicked towns ass in Epis Don't Starve game, so I would think there's probably some life left in those bones yet.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:44 pmBless. And I am surprised too. JaggedJimmyJay is a memory of the Mafia world, an old pile of bones with a plaque situated in front of them recounting great deeds lost to history, interesting only to the most bored passers-by at The Syndicate Museum of Mafia.
@DarlingMonroe back in the day, if we had info, we took it and used it as a starting point to build a case, not unlike a murder mystery. Building the case isn't hard once you know a person is bad, it's easy to find the bread crumbs. What's hard is getting other people to listen to you.
Linki @Jay, see you're looking pretty alive to me.
Saying "Jay is Jaying" is a pretty basic thing to say. Do you think he's playing like that game?
fanning the flames of tvt violence before anyone knew Robyn was IC or unpairing? Leaning firstS~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:40 amIs there another reason? I saw your filler post about her. I tend to be somewhat paranoid of Thunal after watching her from the chatroom in Se7en. Since then, I've taken some fairly strong stances on her towniness in other games, but it was specifically becasue of things she said in those games, rather than as a meta overview. I have to work to actively find her, if that makes sense.
OK, I've just skipped around, I'll actually read back a bit before work.
More deflections of long cons suspicions while also attempting to pocket lorab?S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 amOnnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.
Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.
That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.
I'm used to it now.
Trying to look good for defending afk town? Trying to defend afk wolf? Considering my gut read on lorab was town the first
Scotty being painted as a target after SVS flips wolf? Or a double bluff? Its interesting that scotty has done something he never does and then she just dips and not pushes into more why? He could be TMIing her town or he could be a wolf trying to pocket her? No questions about that.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 amOK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 amIntriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.
Now do me do me
What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?
Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.
this would cause me to side eye bereft if Robyn wasnt shieldingS~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.
I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.
when SVS flips wolf this looks good for thunalS~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:09 pmI don't really have any yet, or didn't as of this AM. My posts are a commentary, that's how I develop reads.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 amWhere are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.Spoiler: show
@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
You seem a bit more aggro, and less considered, than I tend to associate with you. You're a person who weighs and balances, and this feels kinda the opposite, almost a bit jumpy.
Jay asked me a question about LC, I talked about how I feel about LC. Scotty is freaking me out. It doesn't mean I find any of it AI.
not a good look for scotty
This paired with the above looks weird together. Shouldnt she be pushing scotty as a wolf here? Possibly partnered with cape? Tonally he is weird to her and cape now wants to go for her?S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:17 pmI'm somewhat confused by people seeming to think that me saying Scotty is freaking me out a bit is somehow tonally weird or over the top. But OK.Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:17 pmLoRab seems to be on the same page as me which is goodJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:02 pmThanks for the response. No pressure here, but if you wanted would you be able to name more than three town reads? I am compiling a bit of data, and if you have more that'd be super. If not, cool.Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 pmyou/Scotty/Long ConJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:07 am Is it too early to ask everyone for their top three town reads?
No, of course not. Let’s go ahead an box in the mafia.
Somewhat DM just for beginning
Somewhat robyn
SVS worries me a little bit for the thing i pointed out earlier + #202 tonally speaking
Thunal thanks for also having a sus on SVS ur townish now + asking clarifying questions there = good
On this point. SVS Has come into D2 with huge walls on her worldview, I have seen nothing hugely town from SVS this game like that. Where is the over explaining? No massive walls to read?S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:20 pmI know he was. I was explaining my thought process on LC. Its the ADD thing; some words are good, more words are better. I'm trying to get better at that, but I'll never be an underexplainer.Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:01 pmWas referring to the game referenced here, but it appears that's not Severance.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:19 amProbably. We tend to circle, and in the last game we played, I was bad and railroaded him hideously. I would be surprised if he wasn't somewhat paranoid of me. I haven't read why he susses me yet, I'm answering my @'s first.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?
Watching your game, I figured out what triggers me about him, he has an almost theatricality about him, that I view as acting to an extent, and to me acting = (in a Mafia game) fake = bad. So I was kinda interested to see what our dynamic was here.
more fuel for why Lorab is townS~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:32 pmIn the forum LoRab and I came from, I got lunched for saying I trusted someone and thought they were good. "Painting Targets". Being leery of that is NAI for her, and even though LC and I come from that same background, and I think we both prolly both still have a touch of that even though we have more experience in the town-reading style of game.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:23 pmI'd like to talk about this read. It seems similar to how I make some of my townreads based on "is this a thought a mafia would even think of". What about those moments is something that a mafia wouldn't think of doing?Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:44 pmI had two major instances of thought about LoRab.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:20 pm @Bereft and @robyn, each of you had expressed early faith in LoRab, and in the moment I kind of vibed with that. I'd like to dig a bit deeper though: are you able to describe what gave you confidence about her?
The first was immediately after their entrance.
And to that point, I had the same thought as Robyn did wrt to it.
The second was immediately after LoRab freaked out about getting townreads.
And to that point, I had the same thought as you did wrt to it.
If the question demands why I take strong stock in these thoughts at all, then its because both of these moments are based on LoRab existing archetypical traits of "pure" town spontaneity. And I don't think I've ever once seen these reads fail in my experience. On a mafia theory tangent, its the most basic form of read in existence, mafia simply doesn't post like that, because they have to think about well, being mafia.
Bad LoRab is a bit cagier than the LoRab here, imo.
Her only vote d1 is a distancing vote on scottyS~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:05 am I only got up to page 12.
But gotta go get ready for work, and will be 90% likely to be in the car when the poll ends unless the traffic gods smile on me, so i gotta vote now.
Gonna vote Scotty, he looks a bit flailing to me, of everyone, he's the only person who seriously pinged me. Of the others with votes, Michelle hasn't said enough for me to get a sense of her, and not voting Robyn. I'd rather give the host a day to wed out/replace no shows.
[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine
unpartnered with thunal
For reasons you cant say. But I guess you could move it but there would be repercussions
my vote was just baiting to see how many people would jump on herDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:00 amI thought I had seen a wagon of people going after them.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:58 amNeon killed a wolf, what intrigue?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:51 amImplying I trust anyone.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:47 amthen please trust me on svs +ev on wilgy being bad now
What happened to all the Abigail intrigue btw? What happened to that wagon?
Perhaps I'm confused.
Trying to coordinate vote records where they aren't stored in difficult.
Me too