The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

unfurl wrote:I think good points about Sorsha has been brought up, I think Sorsha may know who killed Epig, and she did knew it was not Golden, I think that could had been slip up with the framed part
As a matter of fact Im votting for Sorsha

That's super sketch. I don't buy it at all. Feels like a manufactured/piling on sort of reason.

Supasketch?

How are you doing llama? Sorry your internet is going down.

I am doing well. But I think MP's ISO on Devin feels contrived. He goes "I'm gonna go read Devin's posts" and comes back with a long list where he comments on each one, but it feels like he's looking for a reason to suspect him. Not genuine. You're not being genuine, MP!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

unfurl wrote:I think good points about Sorsha has been brought up, I think Sorsha may know who killed Epig, and she did knew it was not Golden, I think that could had been slip up with the framed part
As a matter of fact Im votting for Sorsha

That's super sketch. I don't buy it at all. Feels like a manufactured/piling on sort of reason.

Supasketch?

How are you doing llama? Sorry your internet is going down.

I am doing well. But I think MP's ISO on Devin feels contrived. He goes "I'm gonna go read Devin's posts" and comes back with a long list where he comments on each one, but it feels like he's looking for a reason to suspect him. Not genuine. You're not being genuine, MP!

I agree with you, in that I don't agree with voting for Devin. I'd rather vote for MP.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What would you do if Devin was a bandwagoning recruiter/recruitee, MP?

And we lynched him right now?

If he was mafia? That'd be awesome.

If he was civilian recruiter/recruitee? I'd eat a shoe.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What would you do if Devin was a bandwagoning recruiter/recruitee, MP?

And we lynched him right now?

If he was mafia? That'd be awesome.

If he was civilian recruiter/recruitee? I'd eat a shoe.

You asked us if we think he is a bandwagoning recruiter/recruitee, unrecruited, or civilian.

You didn't give an obvious choice of "mafia".

Turnip Head wrote:I switched my vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama and MM, I don't see your votes yet. What are you, chickens? I can't wait to see your responses when I don't flip mafia.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama and MM, I don't see your votes yet. What are you, chickens? I can't wait to see your responses when I don't flip mafia.

I am marmot, hear me roar.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama and MM, I don't see your votes yet. What are you, chickens? I can't wait to see your responses when I don't flip mafia.

I am marmot, hear me roar.

I'm still listening, for when you actually want to give a reason for anything you're posting.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama and MM, I don't see your votes yet. What are you, chickens? I can't wait to see your responses when I don't flip mafia.

I am marmot, hear me roar.

I'm still listening, for when you actually want to give a reason for anything you're posting.

I don't want to give a reason. I just want to lynch you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama and MM, I don't see your votes yet. What are you, chickens? I can't wait to see your responses when I don't flip mafia.

I am marmot, hear me roar.

I'm still listening, for when you actually want to give a reason for anything you're posting.

I don't want to give a reason. I just want to lynch you.

What the fuck are you doing?

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I voted for you. I don't trust you.

What are you doing?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will not stand and just sit here while people try to pull bullsuit accusations and votes on me again. I will address points if points are made. I cannot address "I don't trust you".

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I voted for you. I don't trust you.

What are you doing?

Last I checked, people actually gave reasons for their fucking opinions. You need to be lynched if you're going to conduct the rest of the game in this manner.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I voted for you. I don't trust you.

What are you doing?

Last I checked, people actually gave reasons for their fucking opinions. You need to be lynched if you're going to conduct the rest of the game in this manner.

I did give a reason (after I said I didn't want to). I don't trust you.

Linki: because you gave me a shoddy reason for being a mafia recruitee, and never answered my question when I asked what your list had to do with it.

MovingPictures07 wrote: What?

How is that contrived? I'm not looking for a reason to suspect him; I have been wanting to give him a detailed look for a while and he's been on the outer portion of my radar for some time (I even called him out for having the shadiest BWT vote after D1 concluded). In my ISO, I tried to leave posts open for interpretation as much as I could, but I also wanted to provide my own opinion/commentary.

You seriously don't find anything that is suspicious in his post behavior?

MovingPictures07 wrote:MM, seriously, drop the fucking shit. Either play this game right or ask to be replaced or modkilled. Straight shoot me a reason you don't trust me. Right now.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: What?

How is that contrived? I'm not looking for a reason to suspect him; I have been wanting to give him a detailed look for a while and he's been on the outer portion of my radar for some time (I even called him out for having the shadiest BWT vote after D1 concluded). In my ISO, I tried to leave posts open for interpretation as much as I could, but I also wanted to provide my own opinion/commentary.

You seriously don't find anything that is suspicious in his post behavior?

I don't think a baddie Devin would say he would lynch Golden just to cut down on his reading. It's not like him, and I think you know that.

Why do you get so emotional every time anyone disagrees with you in the slightest?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I voted for you. I don't trust you.

What are you doing?

Last I checked, people actually gave reasons for their fucking opinions. You need to be lynched if you're going to conduct the rest of the game in this manner.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will not stand and just sit here while people try to pull bullsuit accusations and votes on me again. I will address points if points are made. I cannot address "I don't trust you".

MovingPictures07 wrote:MM, seriously, drop the fucking shit. Either play this game right or ask to be replaced or modkilled. Straight shoot me a reason you don't trust me. Right now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, why are you fixating on high posters? Can't you make the same mirrored argument about low posters?

When I was saying earlier that we should consider everyone as recruited/recruitee, I was including high and low posters. I'm all for discussing them with you, but I personally do not have any strong reason to believe any of the top 5 or so high posters are recruited at this time. You seem to think that Jay is. Do you think any of the others are?

It's entirely possible that no "high" posters are recruited at this time. It's also possible that one is, whether mafia or civilian. Anything is possible. At this time, Metalmarsh89 seems most likely to me as a mafia recruit, as evidenced by my list.

Why? And what the fuck does your list even say about this?

Overreaction?

I don't have any reason to suspect you heavily at this time; you are in the light orange section of my rainbow list, but you're the lowest of the top 5 posters. Rox asked me about high posters so that's what I told her. I can't make heads or tails of your gameplay, but I do think you're more apt to be recruited/recruiter at this time than me (duh), Jay, Rico, and DH. I don't have a strong assertion of suspicion of you by which to back that up; in fact, it's the weakest possible, but I was asked, so.

Do you have any suspicions?

Is it an overreaction? Perhaps. But I don't like rainbow lists in general (and I've made this very clear before), and now you've suggested that your list points to me as most likely to be a mafia recruit. How did you come to this conclusion?

No, I don't have any suspicions.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:MM, seriously, drop the fucking shit. Either play this game right or ask to be replaced or modkilled. Straight shoot me a reason you don't trust me. Right now.

Play this game right? What does that mean?

I've tried playing the game your way. I can't do it. Even if I could do it succesfully, I'd get lynched for not being myself. Recall the "it's just MP being crazy, so that's normal" excuse Devin gave for defending you? It's kinda like that.

Why don't you convince mafia to nightkill me or something instead?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama and MM, I don't see your votes yet. What are you, chickens? I can't wait to see your responses when I don't flip mafia.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:MM, seriously, drop the fucking shit. Either play this game right or ask to be replaced or modkilled. Straight shoot me a reason you don't trust me. Right now.

Play this game right? What does that mean?

I've tried playing the game your way. I can't do it. Even if I could do it succesfully, I'd get lynched for not being myself. Recall the "it's just MP being crazy, so that's normal" excuse Devin gave for defending you? It's kinda like that.

Why don't you convince mafia to nightkill me or something instead?

It means actually play the game of mafia. It's Day 4 and you say you have no suspects. Get out of here.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, why are you fixating on high posters? Can't you make the same mirrored argument about low posters?

When I was saying earlier that we should consider everyone as recruited/recruitee, I was including high and low posters. I'm all for discussing them with you, but I personally do not have any strong reason to believe any of the top 5 or so high posters are recruited at this time. You seem to think that Jay is. Do you think any of the others are?

It's entirely possible that no "high" posters are recruited at this time. It's also possible that one is, whether mafia or civilian. Anything is possible. At this time, Metalmarsh89 seems most likely to me as a mafia recruit, as evidenced by my list.

Why? And what the fuck does your list even say about this?

Overreaction?

I don't have any reason to suspect you heavily at this time; you are in the light orange section of my rainbow list, but you're the lowest of the top 5 posters. Rox asked me about high posters so that's what I told her. I can't make heads or tails of your gameplay, but I do think you're more apt to be recruited/recruiter at this time than me (duh), Jay, Rico, and DH. I don't have a strong assertion of suspicion of you by which to back that up; in fact, it's the weakest possible, but I was asked, so.

Do you have any suspicions?

Is it an overreaction? Perhaps. But I don't like rainbow lists in general (and I've made this very clear before), and now you've suggested that your list points to me as most likely to be a mafia recruit. How did you come to this conclusion?

No, I don't have any suspicions.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Gonna go with TinyBubbles.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will not stand and just sit here while people try to pull bullsuit accusations and votes on me again. I will address points if points are made. I cannot address "I don't trust you".

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:MM, seriously, drop the fucking shit. Either play this game right or ask to be replaced or modkilled. Straight shoot me a reason you don't trust me. Right now.

Play this game right? What does that mean?

I've tried playing the game your way. I can't do it. Even if I could do it succesfully, I'd get lynched for not being myself. Recall the "it's just MP being crazy, so that's normal" excuse Devin gave for defending you? It's kinda like that.

Why don't you convince mafia to nightkill me or something instead?

It means actually play the game of mafia. It's Day 4 and you say you have no suspects. Get out of here.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I will not stand and just sit here while people try to pull bullsuit accusations and votes on me again. I will address points if points are made. I cannot address "I don't trust you".

If you're not going to stand or sit, what are you going to do? Lie down? Hang from your ankles?

Dom wrote:JJJ, yes, MP reacts this way pretty much anytime anyone suspects him. Even historically speaking, I would say that's true.

I alsow ant to respond to your Boomslang case-- can you explain why these things make him bad-- specifically a recruiter? I see you pointing some things out as behavior, but it lacks a clear link to a theory.

thellama73 wrote:I feel like our young Marmot friend is trying to fill the Vompatti void - and I like it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: What?

How is that contrived? I'm not looking for a reason to suspect him; I have been wanting to give him a detailed look for a while and he's been on the outer portion of my radar for some time (I even called him out for having the shadiest BWT vote after D1 concluded). In my ISO, I tried to leave posts open for interpretation as much as I could, but I also wanted to provide my own opinion/commentary.

You seriously don't find anything that is suspicious in his post behavior?

I don't think a baddie Devin would say he would lynch Golden just to cut down on his reading. It's not like him, and I think you know that.

Why do you get so emotional every time anyone disagrees with you in the slightest?

Why don't you think a baddie Devin would say that?

I get emotional when I get accused game after game with incredibly vague and bullsuit accusations that I cannot possibly defend against. I don't care if people disagree with me; I've shown that time and time again.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Why don't you think a baddie Devin would say that?

I get emotional when I get accused game after game with incredibly vague and bullsuit accusations that I cannot possibly defend against. I don't care if people disagree with me; I've shown that time and time again.

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Time is growing important, since we are already within the interval in which the Judge can lockdown this place - he's been vigilent before, but so far he's not quick to draw the curtains; can this mean he's not content or approving with the main wagons and/or doesn't want to shortcircuit the EoD? Could be.

There's a huge difference, imho, between ending day early and locking down the thread. One ends discussion--the other does not. And ending night early is a mixed bag (and different entirely). Either of those actions could have either good or bad strategy behind them. Without saying so explicitly, you seem to imply that the prior lockdown was also connected to his role. Which makes me wonder.

Also noting that you earlier posted about the number of baddies and added an extra person to one of the baddie teams in your count. Which could increase paranoia and is a tactic oft used by the evil (make things seem worse than they are).

Starting to wonder if your posting is intentional and subtle misdirection.

What am I misdirecting towards? How or where did I imply that "the prior lockdown was also connected to his [err The Judge?] role"? The prior lockdown was Ubzargan's. What I implied is that, compared to Ubzargan who most likely reveled in locking the thread at a point of a two-way tie, Judge seems much more cautious. I also implied by his vigilence that he's clearly been active and responsive with his past actions, so I do not doubt he'd be ready to lockdown this Day, if he sees fit, but the fact that he hasn't yet is further implication of his cautious view on the current development.

Also, yeah, I can't count properly. Oooo, evil.

It read to me like you were creating an association with all prior lynches that included an aspect of closedness. And you were not painting a picture of caution in general, in fact you even said that he was quick to draw prior to this.

And the sarcasm in the "oooo, evil" response does not lesson suspicion. It actually makes it a smidge pingier on the suspiciometer. Blowing off suspicion is often a thing baddies do.

Not ready to lynch you, but definitely eyeballing you.

All lynches except D2 were facilitated by tallies being frozen or shut down. This is factual. If the Judge will lockdown this Day at any point until EoD, he will technically facilitate a lynch result by shutting down activity. Huge association there, what can I say.
All of the Judge's previous actions were quick. This is factual. You are correct I didn't call the Judge cautious in general, because I didn't. I called him cautious with using his current lockdown. It is only you who say I painted a picture of caution in general.

Your sentence about blowing off suspicion being a baddie trait is hypocritical, considering half the times you blow off suspicions on you with Eye-me-all-you-wants, twirls and claims that your game is misunderstood. Besides, if there's anything I'm blowing, it's ridiculous suspicions, not suspicions per se. Just to prove that, I also happened to count the civ teams having an extra member, before the Hosts actually confirmed that recruiting as finalized. Is that supposed to mean, by contrast, that I'm giving civs hope? Is that supposed to mean anything, just like me accidentally writing one extra baddie in a camp is supposed to mean anything? Of course not. Me not getting my mechanics talk or facts/stats check always accurate is no real surprise. Smidge pinge away.

LoRab wrote:There's a huge difference, imho, between ending day early and locking down the thread. One ends discussion--the other does not.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, why are you fixating on high posters? Can't you make the same mirrored argument about low posters?

When I was saying earlier that we should consider everyone as recruited/recruitee, I was including high and low posters. I'm all for discussing them with you, but I personally do not have any strong reason to believe any of the top 5 or so high posters are recruited at this time. You seem to think that Jay is. Do you think any of the others are?

It's entirely possible that no "high" posters are recruited at this time. It's also possible that one is, whether mafia or civilian. Anything is possible. At this time, Metalmarsh89 seems most likely to me as a mafia recruit, as evidenced by my list.

Why? And what the fuck does your list even say about this?

Overreaction?

I don't have any reason to suspect you heavily at this time; you are in the light orange section of my rainbow list, but you're the lowest of the top 5 posters. Rox asked me about high posters so that's what I told her. I can't make heads or tails of your gameplay, but I do think you're more apt to be recruited/recruiter at this time than me (duh), Jay, Rico, and DH. I don't have a strong assertion of suspicion of you by which to back that up; in fact, it's the weakest possible, but I was asked, so.

Do you have any suspicions?

Is it an overreaction? Perhaps. But I don't like rainbow lists in general (and I've made this very clear before), and now you've suggested that your list points to me as most likely to be a mafia recruit. How did you come to this conclusion?

No, I don't have any suspicions.