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Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:58 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:Ew!!

Not sexually.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:01 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Someone will.
Not you, I guess :P

Absolutely not

TBH, I am not sure what I think of it. While I was getting a baddie vibe from you before this (you just have seemed way opportunistic) I am not sure what I think of this. I think Matt sounds genuine and has since Day Zreo to me. So While I could see you being bad, I don't buy the package deal with Matt. So I dunno

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:01 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Ew!!
Not sexually.

I know..

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:01 pm**

S~V~S wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Someone will.
Not you, I guess :P
Absolutely not

TBH, I am not sure what I think of it. While I was getting a baddie vibe from you before this (you just have seemed way opportunistic) I am not sure what I think of this. I think Matt sounds genuine and has since Day Zreo to me. So While I could see you being bad, I don't buy the package deal with Matt. So I dunno

It's not a package deal. I think Matt is civ.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:05 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.
But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

I don't think it shows that at all. You are right that the aspect of why someone implied something should come into question. Come into question, being the operative bit. Not come into singular possible answer.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:06 pm**

How long until night ends?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:07 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Someone will.
Not you, I guess :P
Absolutely not

TBH, I am not sure what I think of it. While I was getting a baddie vibe from you before this (you just have seemed way opportunistic) I am not sure what I think of this. I think Matt sounds genuine and has since Day Zreo to me. So While I could see you being bad, I don't buy the package deal with Matt. So I dunno
It's not a package deal. I think Matt is civ.

I stand corrected; I was basing that on Enrique, who seems to be saying the opposite.

Linki, I think about 3 hours

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:08 pm**

S~V~S wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Someone will.
Not you, I guess :P
Absolutely not

TBH, I am not sure what I think of it. While I was getting a baddie vibe from you before this (you just have seemed way opportunistic) I am not sure what I think of this. I think Matt sounds genuine and has since Day Zreo to me. So While I could see you being bad, I don't buy the package deal with Matt. So I dunno

I don't think I've been opportunistic though. I've taken some unpopular stances, including standing up for Matt when almost no one else was (which as Enrique notes, inadvertently helped us catch a baddie yesterday

). Maybe you feel I've been opportunistic but that's not how I've seen my own gameplay at all. All my opinions have been genuine and I hope that comes through to anyone who's looking for it.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:09 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.
Cheers Golden
Don't buddy me, baddie

But yeah, I mean, I'm not jumping to conclusions. The points Enrique and zebra make are good imo, but they are not the one exclusive possible answer.
Whatever you decide about me, I respect this way of playing. Jumping to conclusions like "Nero talked about the Riddler he's the Riddler" or "Matt is posting knock knock jokes he must have targeted the Joker" or "TH is asking Why do people fall he must be trying to claim Alfred" are the kinds of things people think about once and then never think about any other way. And sometimes I feel like I'm the only player considering every angle (that's an exaggeration, a few others do it too). But it's nice to know I'm not the only sane man in the asylum

TH roleclaimed inmate!

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:10 pm**

Whatever TH is, I don't believe Matt is his teammate, and I don't know why you think I do?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:13 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.
Cheers Golden
Don't buddy me, baddie

But yeah, I mean, I'm not jumping to conclusions. The points Enrique and zebra make are good imo, but they are not the one exclusive possible answer.
Whatever you decide about me, I respect this way of playing. Jumping to conclusions like "Nero talked about the Riddler he's the Riddler" or "Matt is posting knock knock jokes he must have targeted the Joker" or "TH is asking Why do people fall he must be trying to claim Alfred" are the kinds of things people think about once and then never think about any other way. And sometimes I feel like I'm the only player considering every angle (that's an exaggeration, a few others do it too). But it's nice to know I'm not the only sane man in the asylum
"Thank you for at least considering buying into my bullshit, Golden."
See what I'm saying, Golden?

Yes.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:15 pm**

Golden, how do you feel about Marmot?

By golly, I think this is the first game I've ever thought he was civvie.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:16 pm**

Enrique wrote:Whatever TH is, I don't believe Matt is his teammate, and I don't know why you think I do?

I must have misunderstood. alot of that going around :whistle:

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:17 pm**

Matt wrote:Golden, how do you feel about Marmot?

By golly, I think this is the first game I've ever thought he was civvie.

I have no negative vibes from him. I realise that's not exactly a ringing endorsement, lol.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:19 pm**

Enrique wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Enrique wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.
But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.
How is it pretty clear TH isn't Alfred? That's just not true.
If Matt isn't Batman there is no reason to assume TH is Alfred at all. That's where the whole thing came from. Repeating "why do we fall" a lot is not a reason lol.
But you see it's more than that. Not only is there no reason to assume that TH is Alfred if Matt isn't Batman, it becomes questionable why TH would try to lead people into thinking otherwise when that isn't the case. Therefore, because the implication has been proven false regarding Matt, it makes it even less likely that TH is Alfred than if he hadn't have implied anything.
No, I know. I'm just trying to say his being Alfred or not hinged on Matt being Batman.

I don't think it hinges on that at all.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:20 pm**

Enrique wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Enrique wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.
But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.
How is it pretty clear TH isn't Alfred? That's just not true.
If Matt isn't Batman there is no reason to assume TH is Alfred at all. That's where the whole thing came from. Repeating "why do we fall" a lot is not a reason lol.
But you see it's more than that. Not only is there no reason to assume that TH is Alfred if Matt isn't Batman, it becomes questionable why TH would try to lead people into thinking otherwise when that isn't the case. Therefore, because the implication has been proven false regarding Matt, it makes it even less likely that TH is Alfred than if he hadn't have implied anything.
No, I know. I'm just trying to say his being Alfred or not hinged on Matt being Batman.

Nor do I think it can be presumed that Matt is not Batman just because he says he isn't. If I was Batman and you asked me if I was Batman, I would say I am not Batman.

By the way, I am not Batman.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:22 pm**

Matt wrote:Hold up...will it just destroy my chance to win if I'm Batman or will it destroy Batman's chances altogether?

If it's only the former, Idgaf cuz I'm not Batman DO IT!!!

ok

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:23 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.
I do hope you take the time to ISO me again after you get me lynched, there's some good shit in there
Do you mean how you hinted at knowing my role from early on?
That's part of it Clearly I was wrong about you though

Yes, clearly you were. By the way, I always agreed with your concept of what Enrique could be, but I specifically excluded it for reasons. But I think it is pretty clear now that your theory was wrong, leading to my two stated options being the two likely ones, right?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:25 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also, y'all should read my posts after you lynch me. This thread needs more legacy.
Stop stealing my shtick

Stop poking marmot with your shtick.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:26 pm**

Well, if Turnip Head is bad... I called it. So big me.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:27 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:And TH is milking the lack of a clear motive for his maneuver as a possible indication that Enrique and I have got it all wrong as best he can.
Because humor is not a valid motive for doing anything in this game

After I'm dead and gone, I hope the question isn't "Why was he trying to act like Alfred?" but rather "Why was he trying to have a little bit of fun?"

See Star Wars, where posting a lot of memes got me in big trouble.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:27 pm**

Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.
I do hope you take the time to ISO me again after you get me lynched, there's some good shit in there
Do you mean how you hinted at knowing my role from early on?
That's part of it Clearly I was wrong about you though
Yes, clearly you were. By the way, I always agreed with your concept of what Enrique could be, but I specifically excluded it for reasons. But I think it is pretty clear now that your theory was wrong, leading to my two stated options being the two likely ones, right?

Indeed.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:27 pm**

Golden, trust me good sir, I am not the Batman

Linki - Lol Mac

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:27 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:turnip head

i want to use a curse word here but i wont bc its not appropriate

if youve been leading me on i will hold the biggest grudge

Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:I KNOW YOU'RE NOT BATMAN turnip head is just a dirty liar pulling the two biggest mindfucks ive had in a mafia game lmfao

how do you interpret these golden

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:30 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:Nope. Again, I plea with you to read my poem directed at Mac.

What, are you claiming Alfred now?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:31 pm**

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Nope. Again, I plea with you to read my poem directed at Mac.
What, are you claiming Alfred now?

The fuck?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:34 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Nope. Again, I plea with you to read my poem directed at Mac.
What, are you claiming Alfred now?
The fuck?

Well you said you're pro-town. The only "pro-town" roles are the Wayne Manor roles and possibly like Bane if you've made your mind up to side with Batman, or Two Face on account of the day of the week it is.

I thought you were taking a shot at claiming Alfred too tbh.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:35 pm**

What???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

What are you two even talking about????

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:35 pm**

a2thezebra claimed Alfred SHE IS NOT ALFRED LET'S LYNCH HER

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:36 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:What???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

What are you two even talking about????

Don't act like you don't know what they're talking about!

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:37 pm**

I imagine this must be what cocaine is like.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:38 pm**

Enrique wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:turnip head

i want to use a curse word here but i wont bc its not appropriate

if youve been leading me on i will hold the biggest grudge

Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:I KNOW YOU'RE NOT BATMAN turnip head is just a dirty liar pulling the two biggest mindfucks ive had in a mafia game lmfao

how do you interpret these golden

Any number of potential ways.

Like Mac says, what is your baddie motive here? TH claims Alfred, it hinges on Matt claiming Batman, Matt says he isn't Batman, TH is just screwed? He sets out to get people to take the hint that he is Alfred and connect the dots, but doesn't plan on what happens when people do?

There are a number of possible scenarios, from my perspective. Here are just some.

1) Maybe TH is obliged to hint at being Alfred
2) Maybe TH has civ-aligned motives for hinting at being Alfred, even though he is not Alfred
3) Maybe TH has baddie-aligned motives for hinting at being Alfred, even though he is not Alfred
4) Maybe TH is Alfred
5) Maybe TH wasn't actually intending the repetition of the question to be hinting at Alfred
6) Maybe TH is hinting at Alfred for funsies

Six different scenarios I can see as possible. None of which I think I have particularly strong evidence to determine must be the truth. That includes excluding option 4.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:39 pm**

You think it is a feasible possibility that TH is obliged to hinting at being ALfred?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:41 pm**

you forgot 7) we're all secretly alfred

You're making excuses for him.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:41 pm**

Maybe TH was just trying to be funny and Enrique read into it in true Matt style.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:42 pm**

MacDougall wrote:Maybe TH was just trying to be funny and Enrique read into it in true Matt style.

Read our exchange the night of the Nero lynch. He knew I "knew."

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:42 pm**

Of course Turnip Head refuses to defend himself instead choosing to dismiss any suspicion against him with snark and condescension from both Enrique and myself, but when two people drastically misinterpret a single one of my posts he decides to quote me. Fuck this. Curse you Rule #3.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:44 pm**

a2thezebra wrote:Of course Turnip Head refuses to defend himself instead choosing to dismiss any suspicion against him with snark and condescension from both Enrique and myself, but when two people drastically misinterpret a single one of my posts he decides to quote me. Fuck this. Curse you Rule #3.

It's called satire. You have drastically misinterpreted my posts as well. I don't know how you expect me to defend against Enrique's case anymore than I already have. You just don't like my explanation.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:44 pm**

S~V~S wrote:You think it is a feasible possibility that TH is obliged to hinting at being ALfred?

Yes, I think that is a feasible possibility. This game is full of crazy.

@enrique - yes. Everyone who disagrees with someone who provides a closed-minded single version of the truth must secretly be 'making excuses for someone', rather than simply presenting their own opinion.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:45 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:I feel like a giant asshole right now
and this is gonna hurt me a lot but it's kinda important
I highly encourage a sig or nerolunar lynch today. NOT MATT.

ffffffff

Don't let his lead get wider. I was wrong.

i cant believe im doing this im so so sorry and would understand if this got me lynched, but i gotta at least try.

Epignosis/LC you are cruel cruel people.
Why do we fall, Enrique?

what about this

seriously why do i even need to point this out

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:46 pm**

My initial suspicion that Metalmarsh was the one claiming Alfred by virtue of asking that very question to Wilgy.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:47 pm**

MacDougall wrote:My initial suspicion that Metalmarsh was the one claiming Alfred by virtue of asking that very question to Wilgy.

Wilgy asked Marmot first.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:48 pm**

Enrique wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Enrique wrote:I feel like a giant asshole right now
and this is gonna hurt me a lot but it's kinda important
I highly encourage a sig or nerolunar lynch today. NOT MATT.

ffffffff

Don't let his lead get wider. I was wrong.

i cant believe im doing this im so so sorry and would understand if this got me lynched, but i gotta at least try.

Epignosis/LC you are cruel cruel people.
Why do we fall, Enrique?
what about this

seriously why do i even need to point this out

Why do you need to point it out? Everyone understands your point. You've made it very clearly. Reiterating it by pointing out the most suspicious of TH's points is not going to stop me seeing all the other possibilities and assume your theory must be the true one.

I've said your theory holds merit... I just don't think it is as clear cut obvious as you and zebra say. Why don't you try thinking about the question 'why would TH do this from a baddie perspective'. What answer do you get? Where is the thinking behind it?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:49 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:And TH is milking the lack of a clear motive for his maneuver as a possible indication that Enrique and I have got it all wrong as best he can.
Because humor is not a valid motive for doing anything in this game

After I'm dead and gone, I hope the question isn't "Why was he trying to act like Alfred?" but rather "Why was he trying to have a little bit of fun?"

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:50 pm**

Enrique wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:And TH is milking the lack of a clear motive for his maneuver as a possible indication that Enrique and I have got it all wrong as best he can.
Because humor is not a valid motive for doing anything in this game

After I'm dead and gone, I hope the question isn't "Why was he trying to act like Alfred?" but rather "Why was he trying to have a little bit of fun?"

That's pretty much what I thought Turnip Head was doing.

That being said, I still think he's bad.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:50 pm**

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You think it is a feasible possibility that TH is obliged to hinting at being ALfred?
Yes, I think that is a feasible possibility. This game is full of crazy.

@enrique - yes. Everyone who disagrees with someone who provides a closed-minded single version of the truth must secretly be 'making excuses for someone', rather than simply presenting their own opinion.

Other than *secret* where do you see that kind of crazy?

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:52 pm**

Strange SVS that you would choose that specific comment as a segue to introducing yourself to this conversation.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:52 pm**

I mean seriously, I say that I'm pro-town so I must be hinting at being Alfred. I genuinely have no fucking idea how that makes any shred of sense.

Compare that to everything that Turnip Head did to hint at being Alfred. His back-and-forth with both me and Enrique before the latter changed his mind about Matt. It's not even in the same stadium, but of fucking course Turnip Head is going to try to frame it as being close enough to imply that my point against him is hypocritical because there's no way his "why do we fall" posts were anything more than jokes, and his hinting at being Alfred totally doesn't fucking extend them. Lynch me already.

linki @ Enrique - Oh did you miss me already pointing that post out along with my direct response to it immediately saying that it made TH go into my list of top suspects? Because no one thought it could possibly mean anything then either.

linki @ Golden - I'm always suspicious of people demanding motive in order for a suspicion to be considered valid. For one, a lot of baddie reveals lack a motive because they weren't intended. Hell, no baddie tell is intended from a baddie. Two, just because the motive is unknown doesn't mean that the evidence from the thread is voided as being indicative of baddie behavior. I will never understand how not knowing an exact motive is required to be pinged by another player. Three, often baddies knowingly do things with no clear motive so that they can ask what the motive was to deflect suspicion. In this case Turnip Head is letting everyone else do that for him while he pats them on the back by joining them in the mockery. Sometimes the apparent lack of motive is the motive. See how it's working? You've even got some players such as S~V~S suspecting Turnip Head less than they were before simply because this "oh yeah well what's my motive ehhh" is actually working.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:54 pm**

S~V~S wrote:
Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You think it is a feasible possibility that TH is obliged to hinting at being ALfred?
Yes, I think that is a feasible possibility. This game is full of crazy.

@enrique - yes. Everyone who disagrees with someone who provides a closed-minded single version of the truth must secretly be 'making excuses for someone', rather than simply presenting their own opinion.
Other than *secret* where do you see that kind of crazy?

Matt's knock knock jokes, for one.

The entire premise of the game.

The variance in win cons.

This game is complex.

I'm not saying it is the most likely option, but I'm also not sure why SVS, the one who was the first person to point out the need for open minds, would be critical of an open mind.

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