The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:For some reason I really want a cookie right now.

Yes! I know you didn't have a "theme", but I loved the cookie flips.

Also, oatmeal raisin is awesome.

What was my cookie?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Thanks Golden for jailkeeping MP on Night 2. Had you not, I'd have likely been lynched Day 3 or killed Night 3, and you'd still be alive.

Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:One other thing I wanted to mention is that town needs town blocs to beat out scum. This means I always town hunt. If I can find them and PoE out the scum, then town has a chance. The hard part is when town doesn't post much because I will try to lynch low content posters starting D2 usually.

I agree. I did real difficulty finding my town block this game. I'm most gutted that I didn't jailkeep you on day one and also Marco on day 3 (who I thought I'd sent in a PM to jailkeep).

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I realize though that this game means I'm probably going to get policy lynched forever and never trusted again, so maybe I'll slink away from playing for long enough that people forget about it...

That's what I thought about eco, and then I won another 6 or something games for the year.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:With that said, when Golden came to the opposite conclusion re: sig and IAWY as I did a bit over halfway through d4, I was seriously concerned.

Soneji wasn't there. Zebra was upset with me and not willing to engage with me. I really wanted to have discussion around sig but with only you willing to talk to me...

That's why it worked, ultimately.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MP would have clearly been bean dip though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I take offense to oatmeal raisin cookie being the only bad one.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.

You sneak! I did wonder why you were buddying me so much, but I figured you were being honest.

The moment I was JKed n2 though, my instinct was that you were the JK. I tried to role check MM that night and it failed.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's ok, I'm used to being the only one in the Oatmeal Raisin Cookie club.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.

You sneak! I did wonder why you were buddying me so much, but I figured you were being honest.

The moment I was JKed n2 though, my instinct was that you were the JK. I tried to role check MM that night and it failed.

I also tried to specifically paint you as a tpr on day two without it looking like I was doing it with the goal f baiting a kill attempt on you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's ok, I'm used to being the only one in the Oatmeal Raisin Cookie club.

I'm in it too! They're actually my favorite.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's ok, I'm used to being the only one in the Oatmeal Raisin Cookie club.

I'm in it too! They're actually my favorite.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P

Is this seriously a thing? I'll have to play.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P

Golden wrote:One final note.

I think my unmitigated failure in the face of my championships foes is about the best I could have hoped for out of this game. I have reduced the target on my back beautifully

Golden wrote:Turns out you weren't vigged, zexy.

MP did a good job of taking out the people I trusted.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks, Zexy! Looking forward to playing with you on Bulbagarden and cheering you on in Game 4!

I killed Zexy partially because I wasn't sure whether the setup was 3 or F just yet, and I strongly suspected you two were Town Masons if we were in Setup 3.

Golden wrote:Who did you have pegged as jailkeeper. Did I ever give away even a hint that I was tpr?

Zexy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks, Zexy! Looking forward to playing with you on Bulbagarden and cheering you on in Game 4!

I killed Zexy partially because I wasn't sure whether the setup was 3 or F just yet, and I strongly suspected you two were Town Masons if we were in Setup 3.

You are welcome! It's really awesome I'm in the same game with Golden.

Wow! I died and felt sad because I thought the town vig killed me for inactivity... but actually getting a kill when that inactive is quite the feat, the best I could've done as an inactive VT with not-so-good reads, at least. I'm feeling a bit more comfortable about this game despite its outcome now

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:Who did you have pegged as jailkeeper. Did I ever give away even a hint that I was tpr?

The moment I realized we were in setup F and I found out I was JKed n2, I thought it was you. Wasn't 100% sure though, but I was pretty sure it was someone who was voicing trust of me, and of those people my gut screamed it was you. I was wanting to keep you alive, however, and preferred finding the town vig first. I thought, as long as I can keep myself clean in thread, the JKer doesn't present nearly as much threat to me. There's no telling, in contrast, whether the town vig will kill me or my teammates at any time.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:Who did you have pegged as jailkeeper. Did I ever give away even a hint that I was tpr?

The moment I realized we were in setup F and I found out I was JKed n2, I thought it was you. Wasn't 100% sure though, but I was pretty sure it was someone who was voicing trust of me, and of those people my gut screamed it was you. I was wanting to keep you alive, however, and preferred finding the town vig first. I thought, as long as I can keep myself clean in thread, the JKer doesn't present nearly as much threat to me. There's no telling, in contrast, whether the town vig will kill me or my teammates at any time.

Funnily enough, I came out of that jailkeep with less trust of you. You had sort of given away the possibility of being either mafia or tpr through appearing to have knowledge of the setup, and then I had proved that you weren't one by having two kills that night. There were all sorts of pieces of evidence that I had available that in the end I didn't listen to... you and sig post night one was the biggest one. You both slipped and I let it be

Zexy wrote:So the MVP wolf was helping us feel better for our games as well as trying to dumb our meta down so that we look better in the Champs... lol, thanks?

Actually, the Matrix12 setup used in the Championship was changed, scum was pretty much nerfed because the one we played is considered very pro-scum (my sample of 2 games that were both scum wins may or may not be able to prove that :P)
In this new Matrix12, scum always know what setup they are in as soon as Day 1, so there won't be a situation like "maybe the Mason or the Jailkeeper setup" in the champs...

Zexy wrote:Well, the mafia JOAT was THE single most unbalanced mafia role, no wonder it got cut.
thankfully there was enough time for said cuts to be made.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think the biggest balance issue with the original matrix was the 13 vs. 4 ratio. Removing the extra mafia kills helps, but I'm still not sure that has been adequately addressed. I understand 17 players allows them to equalize each game, and that including a rogue role would be an unfair challenge to whoever gets it in the effort to advance to the finals.

I think town needs more strength. Not a ton more, but something.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll also state that any setup with a cop w/ n0 check would probably be a different story. That is a major balance swing.

Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

Yeah.

Not having day chat was incredibly paralyzing and foreign to me, especially at first. I wanted to tell IAWY and ika many things, lol, and I was especially frustrated by ika only going after his teammates, but the WIFOM worked out I suppose. I didn't feel it wasn't an easy game, despite the fact that there were still 3 of us alive at the end. I kept worrying about every single post I made; I tried my absolute best to make sure I was approaching the game as a townie. It was difficult to avoid confirmation bias, no doubt.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.

Thanks, Golden, and thanks to everyone else who said kind words as well. I really worked hard on that IAWY bus; I tried to nail him with criticisms of specific content, and I'm not sure how much he purposefully laid out there for me but I kept taking it.

Inawordyes wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.

Thanks, Golden, and thanks to everyone else who said kind words as well. I really worked hard on that IAWY bus; I tried to nail him with criticisms of specific content, and I'm not sure how much he purposefully laid out there for me but I kept taking it.

Some of it, yeah. Once I realized I was always getting lynched I started making subtle scummy mistakes for you to pick up on so your case would be better when you exposed then all, if you exposed them all. I mostly just stayed positive though! No need to go out of the game with a butter tongue.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mafia team chatzy

The earliest stuff may no longer be visible. If you're a participant in the tournament, expect a private thread rather than a chat room.