The Syndicate

I'm actually trying to think back to a time when, as a mafioso, I have "saved" my teammate in an EOD scenario. It seems likely that it's happened before, but I cannot remember any single example. My mafioso M.O. tends to be one of these three things:

1 - Case and annihilate a civilian such that there is minimal wagon drama
2 - Case a teammate just enough to ensure they almost get lynched but survive (so that I'm on the correct but failed wagon)
3 - Case a teammate and burn them at the stake without mercy

What the heck is all this tho

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:10 pm I'm actually trying to think back to a time when, as a mafioso, I have "saved" my teammate in an EOD scenario. It seems likely that it's happened before, but I cannot remember any single example. My mafioso M.O. tends to be one of these three things:

1 - Case and annihilate a civilian such that there is minimal wagon drama
2 - Case a teammate just enough to ensure they almost get lynched but survive (so that I'm on the correct but failed wagon)
3 - Case a teammate and burn them at the stake without mercy

Also with 2, you don't actually try to unfuck them right? You just hope a civilian does it for you, and you pivot to 3 if the civilians just go for your option.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 pm What the heck is all this tho

I finally found the time and energy to do some stuff.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 pm The only doubt I have about it is that it is a dangerous game to be distancing/bussing a teammate when you already have two dead and it's only day three, but given we see that they have resurrected one ... shenanigans may be at play. Not to mention it is that very thought that makes it an even better play tbh. Like, even with me on his case like this I doubt I'll be able to get DH lynched until late game at best. Which is exactly why he would have done all of this if he was Mafia.

Jay are you baked?

I wish I was baked. How do you feel when I tell you that the resurrection was likely caused by accident because juliets tried to bring back TH?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:48 pm Sorry that was mean.

You don't see the logic in DH having distanced, then bussed LC and subsequently trying to push the thread onto the idea of there being savers and mop up cred?

Or are you just saying you disagree?

I see your logic, sure, on a generic level. But it's DH we're talking about. Last time I theorized that he did something like this I felt like an idiot afterward. Occam says he's town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 pm Also with 2, you don't actually try to unfuck them right? You just hope a civilian does it for you, and you pivot to 3 if the civilians just go for your option.

No, if I set myself on the distancing or bussing course I don't tend to revert. The best example that I can recall was Day 1 of Transistor, when there was a 6-vote civilian wagon, and my whole team bussed Elohcin up to 5 votes over the last stretch of the day. She survived, eventually died and flipped, we all looked great, and the civilians looked like goofs. Evil JJJ 101.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 pm Also with 2, you don't actually try to unfuck them right? You just hope a civilian does it for you, and you pivot to 3 if the civilians just go for your option.

No, if I set myself on the distancing or bussing course I don't tend to revert. The best example that I can recall was Day 1 of Transistor, when there was a 6-vote civilian wagon, and my whole team bussed Elohcin up to 5 votes over the last stretch of the day. She survived, eventually died and flipped, we all looked great, and the civilians looked like goofs. Evil JJJ 101.

You mean yes right? Or am I misunderstanding. That sounds to me like you are just describing the same thing I am.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:35 pm I want to hear from Jackoflurks2005.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 pm Also with 2, you don't actually try to unfuck them right? You just hope a civilian does it for you, and you pivot to 3 if the civilians just go for your option.

No, if I set myself on the distancing or bussing course I don't tend to revert. The best example that I can recall was Day 1 of Transistor, when there was a 6-vote civilian wagon, and my whole team bussed Elohcin up to 5 votes over the last stretch of the day. She survived, eventually died and flipped, we all looked great, and the civilians looked like goofs. Evil JJJ 101.

You mean yes right? Or am I misunderstanding. That sounds to me like you are just describing the same thing I am.

Yeah we generally agree. No/yes ambiguity.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 pm The only doubt I have about it is that it is a dangerous game to be distancing/bussing a teammate when you already have two dead and it's only day three, but given we see that they have resurrected one ... shenanigans may be at play. Not to mention it is that very thought that makes it an even better play tbh. Like, even with me on his case like this I doubt I'll be able to get DH lynched until late game at best. Which is exactly why he would have done all of this if he was Mafia.

Jay are you baked?

I wish I was baked. How do you feel when I tell you that the resurrection was likely caused by accident because juliets tried to bring back TH?

I was having trouble rationalising how/why they would just resurrect old mate just to be lynched again so it makes sense. Does it change anything about my thoughts? Not really.

I don't think DH is bad though. He's silly to suggest or imply that mafia-aligned strategies don't exist or don't make sense for his actions in this game, but actions are only half the battle. I don't think he sounds like a bad guy.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:48 pm Sorry that was mean.

You don't see the logic in DH having distanced, then bussed LC and subsequently trying to push the thread onto the idea of there being savers and mop up cred?

Or are you just saying you disagree?

I see your logic, sure, on a generic level. But it's DH we're talking about. Last time I theorized that he did something like this I felt like an idiot afterward. Occam says he's town.

Enrique/Golden Firefly...

DH we're talking about? Are you suggesting we should just assume DH is going to do the normal thing every time?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:19 pm I don't think DH is bad though. He's silly to suggest or imply that mafia-aligned strategies don't exist or don't make sense for his actions in this game, but actions are only half the battle. I don't think he sounds like a bad guy.

We'll see. It's not like he hasn't got ample time to prove his theory that the badders tried to save LC.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:49 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:47 pm Paying my bills rn, you guys

o rly just paying your bills right

just like a decent honest citizen right

nothing shady at all, perfectly innocent stuff

OR NOT

Boom scum caught. Bake em away, toys.

If you saw how much I spent on fast food last month you’d confirm me scum right away

Looking at the remaining player’s list ... how the hell are all these people still alive? And players of this caliber. Is the mafia playing on hard mode?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:26 pm Looking at the remaining player’s list ... how the hell are all these people still alive? And players of this caliber. Is the mafia playing on hard mode?

I can't speak for the whole game but I have basically tanked to try to avoid being night killed.

I tanked in Mega Man and it was the only time I've ever been killed on Night 1.

I liked that part where Sloonei, Mac and Jay were like “Aha! DH is bad!” and then Jay and Sloonei ditched the idea. That was a good read.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:37 pm I was not redirected last night, most likely. I am in a floo chat right now and my partner claimed to diriwhatzit me. For a redirect to target me and send me at timmer, it would have to have targeted them first.

What are the odds of a perfect double redirect?

I saw Quin kissing long con.
He is a liar.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:42 pm [Diricawl]: Known by muggles as the Dodo, it is actually a magical bird with the ability to disappear and reappear elsewhere. It can allow its owner to switch places with another student, making the abilities that hit one hit the other.

I win.

Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Why did you tell Kara who you think the vig is?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

Explain like I’m dumb and have barely skimmed any of this night action whatsit

Oh boy speedchuck is here. There's gonna be a fight.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

His floo power buddy is karavalenge. I see. I'll let speedchuck have at it while I .

i didn't read far enough for a name. i read the post in bed and shit my pants.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm @speedchuck

Why did you tell Kara who you think the vig is?

So that when I die my knowledge lives on. I think Kara is town.



Considered telling the rest of the thread, too.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:32 pm I liked that part where Sloonei, Mac and Jay were like “Aha! DH is bad!” and then Jay and Sloonei ditched the idea. That was a good read.

Hey now, I never said he was bad. I just wanted to see how he’d respond to certain things.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm @speedchuck

Why did you tell Kara who you think the vig is?

So that when I die my knowledge lives on. I think Kara is town.



Considered telling the rest of the thread, too.

But Kara is in like every scum poe.

Not mine, Jack.

And thanks for explaining for me about the Diridiri cuz Quin is confusing the heck out of me.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:39 pm i didn't read far enough for a name. i read the post in bed and shit my pants.

I recommend getting out of bed and probably also washing the sheets.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:41 pm Not mine, Jack.

And thanks for explaining for me about the Diridiri cuz Quin is confusing the heck out of me.

I’m just here to try to break the game.

Also I haven't seen Kara in most scum POEs.

They've been out of pretty much all of them I've seen what are you on about or am I on something?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:42 pm Also I haven't seen Kara in most scum POEs.

They've been out of pretty much all of them I've seen what are you on about or am I on something?

kara's in my POE.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

and juliets also claimed being redirected.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:42 pm Also I haven't seen Kara in most scum POEs.

They've been out of pretty much all of them I've seen what are you on about or am I on something?

kara's in my POE.

So 'tis. I just went back and checked. Nevermind that, my memory is bogus. I thought whatever scum POE I agreed with a few pages back was absent of Kara.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

and juliets also claimed being redirected.

So? That information strengthens my argument.

I wanna add a Sythern scarf to my avatar or these sunglasses to a Malfoy avatar.

Btw [mention]G-Man[/mention] Dark Horse put out two The Thing miniseries but they weren’t that good. They were kinda okay.

I still wanna know if (seriously don’t click this if you haven’t watched The Thing)

Sorry about your bed mate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

and juliets also claimed being redirected.

So? That information strengthens my argument.

I have no idea how.

And I thought I was confused before...

If kara used a diricrawl on himself and you, I don't see how that has any impact on me who targeted a combination of timmer, Sloonei and LC unless you're talking about additional redirections, of which there isn't enough of.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

and juliets also claimed being redirected.

So? That information strengthens my argument.

I have no idea how.

For you to be telling the truth, Kara would have to be targeted by a timmer-aimed redirect which would then target me and send me to timmer to see you!

And as we can see, scum already used their redirect on Juliets.

There is no redirect for me. A diricawl wouldn't work unless LC or Timmer used it on each other possibly somehow.

There is no world in which what I saw meshes with your claim.

[mention]juliets[/mention] Nothing has changed. Just extra layers of confusing nonsense required for me to believe Quin

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] what’s your take on Speedchuck vs. Quin?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:50 pm If kara used a diricrawl on himself and you, I don't see how that has any impact on me who targeted a combination of timmer, Sloonei and LC unless you're talking about additional redirections, of which there isn't enough of.

That's the point. There aren't enough redirections.

Assume you were telling the truth. You were not redirected, because you're protected from Imperius.

Therefore, for me to see you, my action had to be redirected to YOUR target.

There aren't enough redirects for that, and the path would be hopelessly convoluted if there were.