Shadow Corridors Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Kylemii]

wait what claims who claimed wut

You feel like claiming, sister?

this is incredibel

[Kylemii]

Piss.

[112]

[112]

[VOTE: Chuck] aubergine

not sure I like the Sabie vote tbh

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

can anyone who's played with NIK before tell me if they're usually this chaotic?

He is.

Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.

It's not unusual for maf members to completely ignore each other in the thread, never interact and to suss eachother. Creating distance is powerful.

Out of everything you outlined in spoilers, article 3 speaks to me the most. I get all bent out of shape when someone claims to have the same reads as me but shades me as scum. Especially when they're late to the party with a reads list and present the status quo.

I also hate logic gaps in lists. It's really the sole reason I'm holding onto thunderpants as a scum read. Go back to that list of his. Guy has NIK scummed up with pretty much everyone on his D1 wagon. The same night we lynched scum.
Based on his list we're to believe the entire scum team was voting for wolf bro NIK while another wolf gets lynched.
Fucking lists.
Like I guess thunder could have constructed that list independently of dynamics, like he claimed. I still think he's fos.
Fun to play play with, but probably scum.

Mac has reasons too. Can't remember what they are though

In a game with 25 players and having missed like ~20 pages of content, I had a hard time figuring out exactly what was going on. Hence I browsed through some isos and gave my reads based on that. I don't have any other defense for this point though, I guess it's still up to you to take it or leave it.

I probably won't address this issue anymore, as it's feeling repetitive to do so.

Yeah I only went back on your list to explain why article 3 speaks to me. It's just where the train of thought took me as I was writing.
There's no reason to continue on about it at all.
I mentioned earlier that you and Kyle occupy my town grey zone and that's still the case. I think the way my thoughts expanded in that post paints an uglier picture than intended.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

[VOTE: Chuck] aubergine

not sure I like the Sabie vote tbh

What the fuck, Chuck.

[Thunal33]

this is cool

[Thunal33]

this is cool

oh no what did I do?

[Thunal33]

I think he's a decent candidate to be oracled tbh

I think so too. He could be useful as a cleared townie if he's town and if he's scum we might not get to that conclusion and elim him without an oracle check.

[Thunal33]

Martin discovered BBCode and strikethrough and decided that's more fun than mafia.

[Thunal33]

vote poly

I had very limited time yesterday and forgot about nova not only being on the Poly wagon, but trying to influence others to vote Poly. I'm moving Nova up to my town pile.

[Thunal33]

Town pile of piled town:
Nutella
Alison
Martin
KZA
Flanders
Tutuu
Falcon
Nova
112

[nutella]

Okay I'm just going to admit it. I'm going to slank for a bit and just vote whoever nutella's voting. Finals week is coming up and we're enough ahead this game (and have a bunch of town power) that it just feels like Radiohead where we literally just go through the POE and not think too hard. I tend to drop off in these situations and coupled with the IRL stuff it means my WIM is fading.

If someone can keep me appraised of important stuff (claims, mech situations, etc.) that I need to be aware of, let me know.

In case you missed it KZA has claimed oracle and has been taking suggestions on who to reveal. In case the oblit doesn't have strongman modifier (which apparently soup typically would) he should get docced and given the gun tonight.

we should prob do a mass tag to make sure the relevant roles know this but it also may not end up mattering and he reveals someone if he dies tonight anyway so shrug

[nutella]

although if he's given the gun and just dies in the night the gun is wasted so hrm

[MartinGG99]

Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.

It's not unusual for maf members to completely ignore each other in the thread, never interact and to suss eachother. Creating distance is powerful.

Out of everything you outlined in spoilers, article 3 speaks to me the most. I get all bent out of shape when someone claims to have the same reads as me but shades me as scum. Especially when they're late to the party with a reads list and present the status quo.

I also hate logic gaps in lists. It's really the sole reason I'm holding onto thunderpants as a scum read. Go back to that list of his. Guy has NIK scummed up with pretty much everyone on his D1 wagon. The same night we lynched scum.
Based on his list we're to believe the entire scum team was voting for wolf bro NIK while another wolf gets lynched.
Fucking lists.
Like I guess thunder could have constructed that list independently of dynamics, like he claimed. I still think he's fos.
Fun to play play with, but probably scum.

Mac has reasons too. Can't remember what they are though

Good point, I guess I'll have to look into thundercats more soon.

[MartinGG99]

Okay, so

Article one assumes implications of my badness, not that i'm bad
I was the first to acknowledge Article two (which yes, is a very flavorful wifom) but I leaned into it cuz I was fronting 3p
and Article three, I was realizing that i was starting to become distant from the mindmeld, so I wanted to tell everyone where I was and the names were close enough to the right order so...

Look, I may have trust issue, I but I figured you out one post later Mr. Martin

1. Look, it could be bad coincidence, but there are 25 players in the game. You handled your reads on two slots (at times) rather similarly or had a certain pattern, and both of those players flipped mafia who were in the anonymous mafia chat. Yet there's only 5 mafia players in this whole 25 player game who could have the anonymous mafia chat, meaning if you randomly picked someone you would have ~20% chance of picking a mafia w/ chat access. The chances of picking another mafia are lower, and to treat them a bit uniquely compared to your other reads makes believing it to be a "coincidence" really difficult for me.
2. Okay, I think my points still stand there.
3. Why would you want to mindmeld with me, a null read? As you said, you may have trust issues, so to put me in null meant you had troubles trusting me. I don't get exactly why you copied my readslist format, and the only town-like reason I can guess is if you trusted Thunal33 and liked her comment on my readslist, and even for that reason I have slight doubts.

[Thunal33]

although if he's given the gun and just dies in the night the gun is wasted so hrm

Maybe whether he dies to the soupkill or not tonight can actually be alignment indicative for the person he plans to shoot? Because scum might want to keep him alive if they think he'll shoot a townie and kill him if they think he'll shoot a mafia.

[Thunal33]

Okay, so

Article one assumes implications of my badness, not that i'm bad
I was the first to acknowledge Article two (which yes, is a very flavorful wifom) but I leaned into it cuz I was fronting 3p
and Article three, I was realizing that i was starting to become distant from the mindmeld, so I wanted to tell everyone where I was and the names were close enough to the right order so...

Look, I may have trust issue, I but I figured you out one post later Mr. Martin

Where did you bait the Obliterator kill D1?

[MartinGG99]

doesn't article 2 rely on the mafia and obliterator working together? i guess i'm a little confused on this dynamic. if made is a mafia teammember and he willingly let the obliterator who needs him dead to win know his identity then.....? wait.

It does.

Would you rather assume they haven't been working together since Sloonei/Jack was under fire rather quickly in D0/D1, and Polypies having a big push against him in D2?

Clearly the mafia need to work together, they already have had significant losses.

Besides, the obliterator thing doesn't really matter until nearing the end of the game, and there's still PLENTY of towns that both the Mastermind and Mafia need to kill.

[MartinGG99]

Besides, the obliterator win condition thing doesn't really matter until nearing the end of the game, and there's still PLENTY of towns that both the Mastermind and Mafia need to kill.

fixed

[MartinGG99]

You don't have to townread someone to like the way they made a readslist. I don't think the readslist point means much. I don't really like the "we're not yeeting Poly since he hasn't done anything" since it could come from a mindset of saving a teammate, but I said similar so it could easily come from town too.

They could have said that, and they didn't.

[MartinGG99]

One of the points against Made is that he defended a Poly chop because Poly was equivalent to any other low poster. If you want to make that argument against Made, you should have a reason to think Poly was not interchangeable with other low posters.

Yeah because he was more active as town in other non-turbo games, even the 50-player U-Pick Vol. 2 game IIRC.

In the end we had other correct suspects on D2 such as Master Radishes.

[sig]

I think he's a decent candidate to be oracled tbh

I think so too. He could be useful as a cleared townie if he's town and if he's scum we might not get to that conclusion and elim him without an oracle check.

Won't said townie just be soup killed?

[Alison]

KZA should probably just treat his Oracle ability as a cop check.

[nutella]

KZA should probably just treat his Oracle ability as a cop check.

what do you mean by this?

[nutella]

you mean like what thunal was saying about projecting a target and seeing whether he's killed?

[nutella]

but that's for picking someone to shoot not who to reveal that's not directly related idk

[tutuu]

is the game over yet

[tutuu]

im town

[tutuu]

lets all agree to close our eyes and whoevers mafia raise your hand

[MartinGG99]

lets all agree to close our eyes and whoevers mafia raise your hand

Are you admitting to being mafia?

*gestures to avatar*

[tutuu]

lets all agree to close our eyes and whoevers mafia raise your hand

Are you admitting to being mafia?

*gestures to avatar*

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO CLOSE YOUR EYES DUDE

[MartinGG99]

lets all agree to close our eyes and whoevers mafia raise your hand

Are you admitting to being mafia?

*gestures to avatar*

this is tutuu

[tutuu]

this is martin

[MartinGG99]

this is martin

stop spying on pups

wierdo

just kidding

[Chuck]

chuck has said nothing and done nothing, and expressed a dislike for large games, and a promise to be more active later, which is... yeah, a mood i guess.

@Chuck are you keeping up with the thread or just kind of vibing? also have we met before

hi Kylemii! I'm totally vibing over here. Sorry, I don't really like keeping up with this many posts. And maybe you know the user behind this sock

[Chuck]

Been re-reading the movements at the 4 hour mark and my come back to the thread last EoD. Falcon was the first to switch to Poly giving me room, the wagon then picked up with 112, me, nutella switching to it in quick succession and in that order. All 3 of them are already consensus town, this just strengthen that. Like unless Nik is also mafia, a wolf amongst them doesn't give me room by switching to a third wagon that is their teammate especially with how easy it'd be to bury Nik there. Even in a wolf!Nik world, doubt that happens 'cause Nik would be the more efficient bus with them being much more suspected than Poly and likely to die in the very near future. Martin switched not long after as well, shielding me too with Nik as their second choice. Good guy Martin. A few peeps were present and didn't entertain it, not sure if it just happened too quickly. Think thunal was one.

Made's post 2781 is extremely ugly. It does nothing except shade the wagon, it doesn't reflect someone wanting to figuring out what's going on and the reasoning behind the switch or the suspicion on Poly. Weird tone, kind of like they're disappointed lol.

Second shift started after I mentioned Poison/MR. I promise this wasn't to save Poly lmao, I just failed successfully. Was sharing legacy reads and snap takes since I thought I was still likely to die at the time. Definitely a good look for me combined with earlier trying to survive through a Poly exe rather than Nik which was the easier option. Unless of course, one thinks we're all 3 teamed. Lock me town and throw away the key. Also it got us a fucking SK/Cult indie, come on now.

"Catching up" Thunal is the first one down for a CFD there, not a big fan. I chalked her not entertaining Poly initially as catching up so being late, but she immediately jumped on this one. That coupled with an earlier grouping of me and Poly as LHF and meh docks a few townie points from her that I gave last phase. Still in the positive I believe.

Thundercat jumps in on Poly, I think at this stage Nik and Poly are neck to neck while my wagon trailing. Good look. He's also not immediately sold on the MR wagon when it picks up, noice.

Thunal, Nutella and I switch to MR. Martin switches later, then Made. Kind of got tired, so will do the rest later and flesh out conclusions rather than narrate lol. Meh.

I'm seeing what you're saying with Nova, moving to
[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

So you were voting nova and then nutella accused you nova me and nanook. Then you post a giant post from nova that doesn't mention me but accuses you and now that's why you moved your vote to me?

Well damn. I was kinda hoping this wall of text would explain the sabie vote. BUT NAW.

[Chuck]

I have not seen where there is any actual case on me just a bunch of people piling votes on me. Cool. I'll assume it's because I haven't been super involved which I get because the timing of things hasn't worked out great for me in this game so like I haven't gotten super into it.
I didn't realize it was okay to just vote people and not say anything as to why but that seems to be the trend now. That makes this game so much easier then.
So in that case [VOTE: made] aubergine I don't understand his motivations behind some of the things he's said and I find him scummy. I'm going to sleep and enjoy my day and not think about this game anymore because I don't want to.

NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?

NIK is still mos def a worthy lynch. No idea about polypies, but they're not the only player doing that.

Sure if its for being useless i agree. For being scummy i think your case is lacking
Im not getting lynched tho..well its a possibility but i dont think so

Well I hate to keep going down this same road but like NIK posted this and then towards EOD the poll moved away from them and they didn't get chopped. Did NIK have teammates that helped? I don't know I still think NIKs ISO is scummy.

Hate to go down this road again but

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I think scum must be having fun getting everyone to vote for me because I'm an easy target since I haven't been around much. It's funny how one or two people just said hey vote sabie just because and then a bunch of people hopped on. Easy way for mafia to jump on to a mischop.

So these two posts are the best reason I see for voting sabie. Just because of the indecision on her part, but that is lame. And guys I really didn't come in here to try to defend Sabie. It's just happening and I can't stop it.

[MacDougall]

I can't believe people are still trying hard. Surely giving a shit here is >rand wolf.

[MacDougall]

I have not seen where there is any actual case on me just a bunch of people piling votes on me. Cool. I'll assume it's because I haven't been super involved which I get because the timing of things hasn't worked out great for me in this game so like I haven't gotten super into it.
I didn't realize it was okay to just vote people and not say anything as to why but that seems to be the trend now. That makes this game so much easier then.
So in that case [VOTE: made] aubergine I don't understand his motivations behind some of the things he's said and I find him scummy. I'm going to sleep and enjoy my day and not think about this game anymore because I don't want to.

NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?

NIK is still mos def a worthy lynch. No idea about polypies, but they're not the only player doing that.

Sure if its for being useless i agree. For being scummy i think your case is lacking
Im not getting lynched tho..well its a possibility but i dont think so

Well I hate to keep going down this same road but like NIK posted this and then towards EOD the poll moved away from them and they didn't get chopped. Did NIK have teammates that helped? I don't know I still think NIKs ISO is scummy.

Hate to go down this road again but

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I think scum must be having fun getting everyone to vote for me because I'm an easy target since I haven't been around much. It's funny how one or two people just said hey vote sabie just because and then a bunch of people hopped on. Easy way for mafia to jump on to a mischop.

So these two posts are the best reason I see for voting sabie. Just because of the indecision on her part, but that is lame. And guys I really didn't come in here to try to defend Sabie. It's just happening and I can't stop it.

Lol ok

[Chuck]

hi @MacDougall why are you voting sabie?

[falcon45ca]

this is martin

Pretty damn adorable actually.

[falcon45ca]

I have not seen where there is any actual case on me just a bunch of people piling votes on me. Cool. I'll assume it's because I haven't been super involved which I get because the timing of things hasn't worked out great for me in this game so like I haven't gotten super into it.
I didn't realize it was okay to just vote people and not say anything as to why but that seems to be the trend now. That makes this game so much easier then.
So in that case [VOTE: made] aubergine I don't understand his motivations behind some of the things he's said and I find him scummy. I'm going to sleep and enjoy my day and not think about this game anymore because I don't want to.

NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?

NIK is still mos def a worthy lynch. No idea about polypies, but they're not the only player doing that.

Sure if its for being useless i agree. For being scummy i think your case is lacking
Im not getting lynched tho..well its a possibility but i dont think so

Well I hate to keep going down this same road but like NIK posted this and then towards EOD the poll moved away from them and they didn't get chopped. Did NIK have teammates that helped? I don't know I still think NIKs ISO is scummy.

Hate to go down this road again but

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I think scum must be having fun getting everyone to vote for me because I'm an easy target since I haven't been around much. It's funny how one or two people just said hey vote sabie just because and then a bunch of people hopped on. Easy way for mafia to jump on to a mischop.

So these two posts are the best reason I see for voting sabie. Just because of the indecision on her part, but that is lame. And guys I really didn't come in here to try to defend Sabie. It's just happening and I can't stop it.

Well, you've only posted like 14 times, so ya it makes sense you'd rush to their defense.

[KZA]

Piss.

This is the most epic post

[Kylemii]

chuck has said nothing and done nothing, and expressed a dislike for large games, and a promise to be more active later, which is... yeah, a mood i guess.

@Chuck are you keeping up with the thread or just kind of vibing? also have we met before

hi Kylemii! I'm totally vibing over here. Sorry, I don't really like keeping up with this many posts. And maybe you know the user behind this sock

okay so it's speedchuck

[Kylemii]

my eternal rival

[Kylemii]

or maybe Dunya

[sig]

I want an eternal rival

[sig]

Id say colbat, but having not seen him in like 6 years kinda erodes that eternal part

[sig]

Also I still think we shouldn't lynch sab, but no I won't be doing the work to find someone else to lynch