The Syndicate

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:39 pm wait what claims who claimed wut

You feel like claiming, sister?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:09 am can anyone who's played with NIK before tell me if they're usually this chaotic?

Thundercat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:00 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:56 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:48 am Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.

It's not unusual for maf members to completely ignore each other in the thread, never interact and to suss eachother. Creating distance is powerful.

Out of everything you outlined in spoilers, article 3 speaks to me the most. I get all bent out of shape when someone claims to have the same reads as me but shades me as scum. Especially when they're late to the party with a reads list and present the status quo.

I also hate logic gaps in lists. It's really the sole reason I'm holding onto thunderpants as a scum read. Go back to that list of his. Guy has NIK scummed up with pretty much everyone on his D1 wagon. The same night we lynched scum.
Based on his list we're to believe the entire scum team was voting for wolf bro NIK while another wolf gets lynched.
Fucking lists.
Like I guess thunder could have constructed that list independently of dynamics, like he claimed. I still think he's fos.
Fun to play play with, but probably scum.

Mac has reasons too. Can't remember what they are though

In a game with 25 players and having missed like ~20 pages of content, I had a hard time figuring out exactly what was going on. Hence I browsed through some isos and gave my reads based on that. I don't have any other defense for this point though, I guess it's still up to you to take it or leave it.

I probably won't address this issue anymore, as it's feeling repetitive to do so.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:27 pm [VOTE: Chuck] aubergine

not sure I like the Sabie vote tbh

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:33 pm this is cool

oh no what did I do?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:35 am I think he's a decent candidate to be oracled tbh

Thundercat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:35 am Martin discovered BBCode and strikethrough and decided that's more fun than mafia.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:29 pm vote poly

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:48 am Okay I'm just going to admit it. I'm going to slank for a bit and just vote whoever nutella's voting. Finals week is coming up and we're enough ahead this game (and have a bunch of town power) that it just feels like Radiohead where we literally just go through the POE and not think too hard. I tend to drop off in these situations and coupled with the IRL stuff it means my WIM is fading.

If someone can keep me appraised of important stuff (claims, mech situations, etc.) that I need to be aware of, let me know.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:56 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:48 am Btw if my !scum Made theory is true, its possible that Sabie12 might not be one of the mafia teammates that Made is aware of, or is simply town.

He hasn't interacted with them if at all, but his read on them has remained consistently in the negative/scumminess since the early game, which doesn't match the pattern he had with Sloonei of Hearts2500 and Polypies; he never really attached their alignment with another person.

If Sabie12 DOES flip mafia, one that would be in the anonymous mafia chat, then I would admit that as somewhat credible evidence against my case of Made.

It's not unusual for maf members to completely ignore each other in the thread, never interact and to suss eachother. Creating distance is powerful.

Out of everything you outlined in spoilers, article 3 speaks to me the most. I get all bent out of shape when someone claims to have the same reads as me but shades me as scum. Especially when they're late to the party with a reads list and present the status quo.

I also hate logic gaps in lists. It's really the sole reason I'm holding onto thunderpants as a scum read. Go back to that list of his. Guy has NIK scummed up with pretty much everyone on his D1 wagon. The same night we lynched scum.
Based on his list we're to believe the entire scum team was voting for wolf bro NIK while another wolf gets lynched.
Fucking lists.
Like I guess thunder could have constructed that list independently of dynamics, like he claimed. I still think he's fos.
Fun to play play with, but probably scum.

Mac has reasons too. Can't remember what they are though

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:13 am Okay, so

Article one assumes implications of my badness, not that i'm bad
I was the first to acknowledge Article two (which yes, is a very flavorful wifom) but I leaned into it cuz I was fronting 3p
and Article three, I was realizing that i was starting to become distant from the mindmeld, so I wanted to tell everyone where I was and the names were close enough to the right order so...

Look, I may have trust issue, I but I figured you out one post later Mr. Martin

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:18 pm although if he's given the gun and just dies in the night the gun is wasted so hrm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:13 am Okay, so

Article one assumes implications of my badness, not that i'm bad
I was the first to acknowledge Article two (which yes, is a very flavorful wifom) but I leaned into it cuz I was fronting 3p
and Article three, I was realizing that i was starting to become distant from the mindmeld, so I wanted to tell everyone where I was and the names were close enough to the right order so...

Look, I may have trust issue, I but I figured you out one post later Mr. Martin

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:19 am doesn't article 2 rely on the mafia and obliterator working together? i guess i'm a little confused on this dynamic. if made is a mafia teammember and he willingly let the obliterator who needs him dead to win know his identity then.....? wait.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:36 pm Besides, the obliterator win condition thing doesn't really matter until nearing the end of the game, and there's still PLENTY of towns that both the Mastermind and Mafia need to kill.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:07 pm You don't have to townread someone to like the way they made a readslist. I don't think the readslist point means much. I don't really like the "we're not yeeting Poly since he hasn't done anything" since it could come from a mindset of saving a teammate, but I said similar so it could easily come from town too.

Thundercat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:12 pm One of the points against Made is that he defended a Poly chop because Poly was equivalent to any other low poster. If you want to make that argument against Made, you should have a reason to think Poly was not interchangeable with other low posters.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:35 am I think he's a decent candidate to be oracled tbh

I think so too. He could be useful as a cleared townie if he's town and if he's scum we might not get to that conclusion and elim him without an oracle check.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:31 pm KZA should probably just treat his Oracle ability as a cop check.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:18 pm lets all agree to close our eyes and whoevers mafia raise your hand

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:18 pm lets all agree to close our eyes and whoevers mafia raise your hand

Are you admitting to being mafia?

*gestures to avatar*

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:18 pm lets all agree to close our eyes and whoevers mafia raise your hand

Are you admitting to being mafia?

*gestures to avatar*

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:38 pm this is martin

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:32 pm chuck has said nothing and done nothing, and expressed a dislike for large games, and a promise to be more active later, which is... yeah, a mood i guess.

@Chuck are you keeping up with the thread or just kind of vibing? also have we met before

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:55 pm

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:36 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:50 am Been re-reading the movements at the 4 hour mark and my come back to the thread last EoD. Falcon was the first to switch to Poly giving me room, the wagon then picked up with 112, me, nutella switching to it in quick succession and in that order. All 3 of them are already consensus town, this just strengthen that. Like unless Nik is also mafia, a wolf amongst them doesn't give me room by switching to a third wagon that is their teammate especially with how easy it'd be to bury Nik there. Even in a wolf!Nik world, doubt that happens 'cause Nik would be the more efficient bus with them being much more suspected than Poly and likely to die in the very near future. Martin switched not long after as well, shielding me too with Nik as their second choice. Good guy Martin. A few peeps were present and didn't entertain it, not sure if it just happened too quickly. Think thunal was one.

Made's post 2781 is extremely ugly. It does nothing except shade the wagon, it doesn't reflect someone wanting to figuring out what's going on and the reasoning behind the switch or the suspicion on Poly. Weird tone, kind of like they're disappointed lol.

Second shift started after I mentioned Poison/MR. I promise this wasn't to save Poly lmao, I just failed successfully. Was sharing legacy reads and snap takes since I thought I was still likely to die at the time. Definitely a good look for me combined with earlier trying to survive through a Poly exe rather than Nik which was the easier option. Unless of course, one thinks we're all 3 teamed. Lock me town and throw away the key. Also it got us a fucking SK/Cult indie, come on now.

"Catching up" Thunal is the first one down for a CFD there, not a big fan. I chalked her not entertaining Poly initially as catching up so being late, but she immediately jumped on this one. That coupled with an earlier grouping of me and Poly as LHF and meh docks a few townie points from her that I gave last phase. Still in the positive I believe.

Thundercat jumps in on Poly, I think at this stage Nik and Poly are neck to neck while my wagon trailing. Good look. He's also not immediately sold on the MR wagon when it picks up, noice.

Thunal, Nutella and I switch to MR. Martin switches later, then Made. Kind of got tired, so will do the rest later and flesh out conclusions rather than narrate lol. Meh.

I'm seeing what you're saying with Nova, moving to
[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

So you were voting nova and then nutella accused you nova me and nanook. Then you post a giant post from nova that doesn't mention me but accuses you and now that's why you moved your vote to me?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:15 am I have not seen where there is any actual case on me just a bunch of people piling votes on me. Cool. I'll assume it's because I haven't been super involved which I get because the timing of things hasn't worked out great for me in this game so like I haven't gotten super into it.
I didn't realize it was okay to just vote people and not say anything as to why but that seems to be the trend now. That makes this game so much easier then.
So in that case [VOTE: made] aubergine I don't understand his motivations behind some of the things he's said and I find him scummy. I'm going to sleep and enjoy my day and not think about this game anymore because I don't want to.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:43 pm

NIK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:05 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:01 am NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?

NIK is still mos def a worthy lynch. No idea about polypies, but they're not the only player doing that.

Sure if its for being useless i agree. For being scummy i think your case is lacking
Im not getting lynched tho..well its a possibility but i dont think so

Well I hate to keep going down this same road but like NIK posted this and then towards EOD the poll moved away from them and they didn't get chopped. Did NIK have teammates that helped? I don't know I still think NIKs ISO is scummy.

Hate to go down this road again but

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I think scum must be having fun getting everyone to vote for me because I'm an easy target since I haven't been around much. It's funny how one or two people just said hey vote sabie just because and then a bunch of people hopped on. Easy way for mafia to jump on to a mischop.

Chuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:09 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:15 am I have not seen where there is any actual case on me just a bunch of people piling votes on me. Cool. I'll assume it's because I haven't been super involved which I get because the timing of things hasn't worked out great for me in this game so like I haven't gotten super into it.
I didn't realize it was okay to just vote people and not say anything as to why but that seems to be the trend now. That makes this game so much easier then.
So in that case [VOTE: made] aubergine I don't understand his motivations behind some of the things he's said and I find him scummy. I'm going to sleep and enjoy my day and not think about this game anymore because I don't want to.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:43 pm

NIK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:05 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:01 am NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?

NIK is still mos def a worthy lynch. No idea about polypies, but they're not the only player doing that.

Sure if its for being useless i agree. For being scummy i think your case is lacking
Im not getting lynched tho..well its a possibility but i dont think so

Well I hate to keep going down this same road but like NIK posted this and then towards EOD the poll moved away from them and they didn't get chopped. Did NIK have teammates that helped? I don't know I still think NIKs ISO is scummy.

Hate to go down this road again but

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I think scum must be having fun getting everyone to vote for me because I'm an easy target since I haven't been around much. It's funny how one or two people just said hey vote sabie just because and then a bunch of people hopped on. Easy way for mafia to jump on to a mischop.

So these two posts are the best reason I see for voting sabie. Just because of the indecision on her part, but that is lame. And guys I really didn't come in here to try to defend Sabie. It's just happening and I can't stop it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:38 pm this is martin

Chuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:09 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:15 am I have not seen where there is any actual case on me just a bunch of people piling votes on me. Cool. I'll assume it's because I haven't been super involved which I get because the timing of things hasn't worked out great for me in this game so like I haven't gotten super into it.
I didn't realize it was okay to just vote people and not say anything as to why but that seems to be the trend now. That makes this game so much easier then.
So in that case [VOTE: made] aubergine I don't understand his motivations behind some of the things he's said and I find him scummy. I'm going to sleep and enjoy my day and not think about this game anymore because I don't want to.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:43 pm

NIK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:05 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:01 am NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?

NIK is still mos def a worthy lynch. No idea about polypies, but they're not the only player doing that.

Sure if its for being useless i agree. For being scummy i think your case is lacking
Im not getting lynched tho..well its a possibility but i dont think so

Well I hate to keep going down this same road but like NIK posted this and then towards EOD the poll moved away from them and they didn't get chopped. Did NIK have teammates that helped? I don't know I still think NIKs ISO is scummy.

Hate to go down this road again but

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I think scum must be having fun getting everyone to vote for me because I'm an easy target since I haven't been around much. It's funny how one or two people just said hey vote sabie just because and then a bunch of people hopped on. Easy way for mafia to jump on to a mischop.

So these two posts are the best reason I see for voting sabie. Just because of the indecision on her part, but that is lame. And guys I really didn't come in here to try to defend Sabie. It's just happening and I can't stop it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:10 pm Piss.

Chuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:32 pm chuck has said nothing and done nothing, and expressed a dislike for large games, and a promise to be more active later, which is... yeah, a mood i guess.

@Chuck are you keeping up with the thread or just kind of vibing? also have we met before

hi Kylemii! I'm totally vibing over here. Sorry, I don't really like keeping up with this many posts. And maybe you know the user behind this sock