The Syndicate

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:24 pm I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

@MacDougall Yup

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:57 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:51 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea

But owner posted today.

Which is why its super unlikely? Like i literally said in the post you're quoting?

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:57 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:57 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:51 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea

But owner posted today.

Which is why its super unlikely? Like i literally said in the post you're quoting?

Unlikely implies a small possibility, your idea is impossible because it's proven that she was not silenced. Stay focused.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

you and sloonei gotta get on the same page mang

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:02 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:51 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea

But owner posted today.

Which is why its super unlikely? Like i literally said in the post you're quoting?

Unlikely implies a small possibility, your idea is impossible because it's proven that she was not silenced. Stay focused.

You're not my supervisor

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:00 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:57 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

Yeah and I'm a consensus town read who has been contributing pressure to her all day. Why did I pick this exact moment to decide to make some convoluted push to... not actually defend her because MY CLAIM IS THAT I DO NOT THINK OWNER HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ITEM I RECEIVED, KITO!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:00 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:57 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

this made me chuckle

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

you and sloonei gotta get on the same page mang

If there isn't a third gift giver claim hes functionally saying that owner gave it to him

Regardless of whether he thinks that's likely or not

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:00 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:57 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

Yeah and I'm a consensus town read who has been contributing pressure to her all day. Why did I pick this exact moment to decide to make some convoluted push to... not actually defend her because MY CLAIM IS THAT I DO NOT THINK OWNER HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ITEM I RECEIVED, KITO!

wow jesus you're pretty pressed about an apparently absurd suggestion

it's not like anybody believes me yet

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed


Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:05 pm I dunno about the specifics but 8 votes on Owner at this point makes me feel at least kinda sceptical. Like I am compelled to seek out dissenting perspectives. But I am also prone to such.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:06 pm There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:09 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:06 pm There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

Yeah. The reason I claimed is that I think we have at least three gift-giving roles. I would expect at least two of those to be town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:06 pm There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:58 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:24 pm I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

@MacDougall Yup

Feel free to comment on the theory.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:10 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:06 pm There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

I guess it depends on the specifics. Like a vest giver or gunsmith is a gift giver and they're both normal to have. A fruit vendor and a gift giver don't contradict each other badly but like two specifically named fruit vendors might?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:10 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:06 pm There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

I guess it depends on the specifics. Like a vest giver or gunsmith is a gift giver and they're both normal to have. A fruit vendor and a gift giver don't contradict each other badly but like two specifically named fruit vendors might?

I mean it depends on the rest of the setup yeah

Having two in a game with a tracker and a watcher makes some sense to me, for example

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:10 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:06 pm There is no meaningful reason to think that there can't be two town gift givers tbh

I guess it depends on the specifics. Like a vest giver or gunsmith is a gift giver and they're both normal to have. A fruit vendor and a gift giver don't contradict each other badly but like two specifically named fruit vendors might?

I mean it depends on the rest of the setup yeah

Having two in a game with a tracker and a watcher makes some sense to me, for example

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:21 pm *prods thread with a stick*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:28 am I feel like bad bunny's Day 1 vote is a post that says "I am mafia-aligned", and only a couple of people have engaged that suspicion. If folks have doubts I would very much like to hear them.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:27 pm Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:09 am Also like I'm kinda sad cause seth could've said "I tracked you to Jay, hawk, what do you say to that? And potentially outed hawk if they tried to claim something that moves, but alas

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:28 am I feel like bad bunny's Day 1 vote is a post that says "I am mafia-aligned", and only a couple of people have engaged that suspicion. If folks have doubts I would very much like to hear them.

bunny is in my POE.

Tangy's votes on Day 1 have been mafia-aligned. All she has to her credit is town energy and nutella being unenthused with that energy (Sloonei's interactive read). I think she should be receiving more scrutiny, and I'd like you to go a little more in depth with why you read her town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:16 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:14 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:02 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:29 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?

I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

You sent a fruit to JJJ?

@JaggedJimmyJay did you recieve a fruit?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:20 am [VOTE: owner] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:22 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:16 am @JaggedJimmyJay did you recieve a fruit?

No. I only received a date night with Gavial. Apparently that wasn't something Gavial targeted me with though, so maybe fruit = date. It'd be a pun.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:28 am I feel like bad bunny's Day 1 vote is a post that says "I am mafia-aligned", and only a couple of people have engaged that suspicion. If folks have doubts I would very much like to hear them.

bunny is in my POE.

Tangy's votes on Day 1 have been mafia-aligned. All she has to her credit is town energy and nutella being unenthused with that energy (Sloonei's interactive read). I think she should be receiving more scrutiny, and I'd like you to go a little more in depth with why you read her town.

Tangy has been mechanically confirmed as town since you were last here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:21 am @Actvscenei you keep getting floated as hard poe and I am townreading you so please demonstrate your townie flair and do townie things like giving me all your reads

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:27 pm Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:30 am Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:39 pm If Tangy is town then I'm out of deepwolf possibilities and scum is probably just all LHF that didn't have the clout to save nutella.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:39 pm If Tangy is town then I'm out of deepwolf possibilities and scum is probably just all LHF that didn't have the clout to save nutella.

Would sonny qualify as a "deepwolf"?