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Dizzy isn't obvtown
cool lolstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm i got added to a chat with syn last night - we spoke briefly, but not nearly as much as would have been ideal
here are the headlines:
syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
syn thinks that outed wolf is wolfy because he's joking around a lot. when i pressed syn on this read a little bit, he said that the wolfread stems from visor behaving differently from the town games he's seen from him in the past
syn thought that he would be the chop today (and he specifically mentioned that he would be the chop because a lot of players think he's associated with vulgard/dya, even though syn personally townreads dya, and i wondered if that was a bit of a perspective slip - it felt like syn was unconsciously referring to dyachei as a wolf even though he didn't wolfread them
this exchange between the two of us left me feeling like a syn/dyachei world is a legitimate possibility - syn's townread on dya felt pretty flimsy to me, but it would make sense coming from him as a wolf that wants to avoid pushing on his partner. in general, he didn't feel very villagery during our conversation
dizzy requoted it at sod just now, and sunbae cited it as the reason he targeted vulgard in one of his long posts
I thought Dizzy's case on Vul on day 2 (?) where she argued that Vul was potentially W/W with Dya because of the specific diction he used to talk about Dya didn't feel like a case on a partner (particularly a townread partner -- wolves on D2 wouldn't really have had any need to go out of their way to case Vul)
This also seems fake to me. I just want this one person to also be in the PoE without any reason or explanation and then I’m totally fine cause that will make all the difference and I can chill. Don’t understand it.
This?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:03 pm @sunbae I found the things that made me tinfoil Dya/Vulgard.
May or may not be extremely dumb.
Using the word "repping" is interesting, because it doesn't signal to me a mindframe that it's a read Dya is having, but rather projecting.Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:32 amI'm kinda townreading Dya for their consistent frustration over being scumread, but at the same time I can only mildly townread them for it for so long. This and their Alison scumread they've been repping for a while are the only things I remember Dya doing, while most other players have voiced reads on every other player in the game, done significant analysis, etc.
However, first of all, lol language. And I also gathered that Vulgard, from what I understand, is not a native English speaker like myself. And I myself may misread the significance of this particular word here. But it crossed my mind.
Also this. I don't quite understand, because they say the defensive attitude could be NAI based on how they have seen Dya as town. Does this mean that Dya is not town here? Is it meant to say "based on how I saw you play as scum"? Am I reading this wrong or reading too much into this?Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:32 am I think I've been fairly consistent in saying that you haven't been exclusively tunneling Alison, but that your read on Alison is definitely the highlight of your contributions so far. It's the first thing I associate with you in this game, outside of the constant defensive attitude. The defensive attitude part is something I could see being NAI based on how I saw you play as town sometimes, but yeah.
Speaking of reads outside of Alison, do the flips give you more reads outside of Alison? What do you think @ my townread of Alison?
To be clear, I actually read Vulgard as more town. And I don't really have a read on Dya. But these are two things that crossed my mind, and they are very detailed, so it may just be me reading too much into things.
Then you just need to pay more attention.c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:56 pmDizzy isn't obvtown
Dizzy isn't hard spewed by anything I've seen
Therefore
fwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AIstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
whether or not he did, it's the kind of observation he p much only makes as town imo, and especially if dya is a wolf dizzy does not hard bus like that ime and is in fact very likely to make such accurate micro observations as town
@Amy now's your time to shineArete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pmfwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AIstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
what a cool sexy postbronana wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:29 am vulgard chloe dya
saying I've had no interest in solving this phase is flat out bullshit. idk what thread you are reading. I tried to maintain some semblance of JK cover after marl claimed, actually was pretty annoyed he did not wait for Sunbae to react to me first, but dropped it when Sunbae cc'd, thought that was obvious mr. "I thought zack was towny for softing a red on Sunbae"
for what it's worth the overnight post wasn't pre-written (why would it be anyway). I waited a couple hours after eod, took probably 20-30 minutes to write down my thoughts, then a few minutes to optimize emotes, then waited a few minutes before deciding to go ahead and post.
you keep shading me but never actually push. your worldview makes no sense, you have marl and Sunbae both as town somehow which presumes the wolves made incompetent night actions.
good night
@Syn helo explianerino thisstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thought that he would be the chop today (and he specifically mentioned that he would be the chop because a lot of players think he's associated with vulgard/dya, even though syn personally townreads dya, and i wondered if that was a bit of a perspective slip - it felt like syn was unconsciously referring to dyachei as a wolf even though he didn't wolfread them
what I said to SPF is that in every game I've spec'd or played with dya, they get killed early as an SPK, so there is absolutely no reason for them to give up and lolcat just because a partner got outed and they had a bad readArete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pmfwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AIstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
what is there to explainnutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pm@Syn helo explianerino thisstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thought that he would be the chop today (and he specifically mentioned that he would be the chop because a lot of players think he's associated with vulgard/dya, even though syn personally townreads dya, and i wondered if that was a bit of a perspective slip - it felt like syn was unconsciously referring to dyachei as a wolf even though he didn't wolfread them
...what?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pmwhat I said to SPF is that in every game I've spec'd or played with dya, they get killed early as an SPK, so there is absolutely no reason for them to give up and lolcat just because a partner got outed and they had a bad readArete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pmfwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AIstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
whatnutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:04 pm...what?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pmwhat I said to SPF is that in every game I've spec'd or played with dya, they get killed early as an SPK, so there is absolutely no reason for them to give up and lolcat just because a partner got outed and they had a bad readArete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pmfwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AIstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
......even if we flip dya first and theyre somehow green like you purport to believe?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:03 pmwhat is there to explainnutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pm@Syn helo explianerino thisstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thought that he would be the chop today (and he specifically mentioned that he would be the chop because a lot of players think he's associated with vulgard/dya, even though syn personally townreads dya, and i wondered if that was a bit of a perspective slip - it felt like syn was unconsciously referring to dyachei as a wolf even though he didn't wolfread them
arete, sunbae, visor, zack, and spf have all said I am associated with vulgard and a pre-flipped dya
seems to parse that I would be on the docket of eliminations
what does them being SPKed as town have to do with how theyd react as wolfSyn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 pmwhatnutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:04 pm...what?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pmwhat I said to SPF is that in every game I've spec'd or played with dya, they get killed early as an SPK, so there is absolutely no reason for them to give up and lolcat just because a partner got outed and they had a bad readArete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pmfwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AIstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
oknutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 pm......even if we flip dya first and theyre somehow green like you purport to believe?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:03 pmwhat is there to explainnutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pm@Syn helo explianerino thisstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thought that he would be the chop today (and he specifically mentioned that he would be the chop because a lot of players think he's associated with vulgard/dya, even though syn personally townreads dya, and i wondered if that was a bit of a perspective slip - it felt like syn was unconsciously referring to dyachei as a wolf even though he didn't wolfread them
arete, sunbae, visor, zack, and spf have all said I am associated with vulgard and a pre-flipped dya
seems to parse that I would be on the docket of eliminations
your perspective is off friendo
i guess i just like to think someone who is killed early due to wolf fear is perhaps someone who might be okay at wolfing too and doesn't do what constitutes as game-throwingnutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 pmwhat does them being SPKed as town have to do with how theyd react as wolfSyn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:05 pmwhatnutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:04 pm...what?Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 pmwhat I said to SPF is that in every game I've spec'd or played with dya, they get killed early as an SPK, so there is absolutely no reason for them to give up and lolcat just because a partner got outed and they had a bad readArete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pmfwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AIstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
also doesnt it occur to you that theres a reason their play here is miles removed from the games they were SPKed
i just dont understand your line of thinking at all
yeah you're right you should chop me
That’s besides the point frankly. I also brought it up already in my first reads from reading D2. It was something I quite distinctively picked up on. Reason I called it tinfoil was cause I townread Vul (probably influenced by thread and Arete specifically). There’s no need to bring that up, literally would be the two other wolves if I was the third. It was just a real connection and you can thank me if you’re town (but mostly thank Sunbae)c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:00 pmThis?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:03 pm @sunbae I found the things that made me tinfoil Dya/Vulgard.
May or may not be extremely dumb.
Using the word "repping" is interesting, because it doesn't signal to me a mindframe that it's a read Dya is having, but rather projecting.Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:32 amI'm kinda townreading Dya for their consistent frustration over being scumread, but at the same time I can only mildly townread them for it for so long. This and their Alison scumread they've been repping for a while are the only things I remember Dya doing, while most other players have voiced reads on every other player in the game, done significant analysis, etc.
However, first of all, lol language. And I also gathered that Vulgard, from what I understand, is not a native English speaker like myself. And I myself may misread the significance of this particular word here. But it crossed my mind.
Also this. I don't quite understand, because they say the defensive attitude could be NAI based on how they have seen Dya as town. Does this mean that Dya is not town here? Is it meant to say "based on how I saw you play as scum"? Am I reading this wrong or reading too much into this?Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:32 am I think I've been fairly consistent in saying that you haven't been exclusively tunneling Alison, but that your read on Alison is definitely the highlight of your contributions so far. It's the first thing I associate with you in this game, outside of the constant defensive attitude. The defensive attitude part is something I could see being NAI based on how I saw you play as town sometimes, but yeah.
Speaking of reads outside of Alison, do the flips give you more reads outside of Alison? What do you think @ my townread of Alison?
To be clear, I actually read Vulgard as more town. And I don't really have a read on Dya. But these are two things that crossed my mind, and they are very detailed, so it may just be me reading too much into things.
...do we really think Dizzy wrote this thinking it would have an impact
@Arete dya posting cats rly is NAI loldyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pm@Amy now's your time to shineArete wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:01 pmfwiw I'm confident that this isn't true, in one of the hydra games (I think hydra game 3?) they were a wolf and spent a while lolcatting and then saying it wasn't wolf-AIstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:54 pm syn thinks that dyachei is a villager. they think so because they don't believe that dyachei would give up and lolcat so easily, and that they'd be more likely to put up a fight as a wolf
which it might not be, I'm willing to listen to the meta that they would do this as villa, but it's definitely not village indicative
i mean, right now my biggest issue is that you came into the day defending your catting instead of like... trying to actually solve the game
yeah lol ur goatDyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:08 pm Literally almost every game I call a pairing with a “haha, I’ll ignore it but it’s correct” and it turns out right. If I ever express myself in that manner, just sheep. Happened in champs, radiohead etc etc