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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:35 pm
by S~V~S
Kate wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:33 pm
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:29 pm for the record im not actually voting cape
Neither am, I at this point.

i see you voted for Dennis; can you give me a general idea of why? I don't really see the suspicion, and would like to.
Why would you "like to?" If you don't see a reason for suspicion do you want to just to have a reason to vote him?
No not at all. Quite the opposite. I don't suspect Dennis, or want to vote for him. I would like to see people explain why they are voting for him, and no one will.

The last person I asked said something really vague.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:35 pm
by pyxxy
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:49 am Okay actually several people have voted Dennis.

Good work peeps.
~one minute later~

yeah okay I'll stop pretending I'm rondo and responding to every single post as I read

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:35 pm
by Sloonei
[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:36 pm
by Dennis
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:34 pm the real reason im voting den den is i wanna see momma kates evil arc tomorrow as she tries to get redemption for his elimination
I screamed when I saw den den

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:38 pm
by Scotty
Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:35 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine
Sheeping

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

I have no reason to townread you and don’t much care for the comment on this page to vote out Dennis just to see Kate go super saiyan

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:39 pm
by Dennis
So Ilario if you're here and currently talking about me why are you making a joke about why you are voting me instead of at least also answering SVS's question

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm
by Master Radishes
[VOTE: Ilario] aubergine

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm
by Dennis
I could vote ilario here but I want to see their reaction to this page first

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm
by pyxxy
I feel pretty unfamiliar with Ender's game, can people give me their opinions on it?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm
by Seanzie
[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:41 pm
by S~V~S
Dennis wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:39 pm So Ilario if you're here and currently talking about me why are you making a joke about why you are voting me instead of at least also answering SVS's question
Well, he did, before the Den Den remark,
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:35 pm
S~V~S wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:33 pm
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:29 pm for the record im not actually voting cape
Neither am, I at this point.

i see you voted for Dennis; can you give me a general idea of why? I don't really see the suspicion, and would like to.
i was sheeping neon and i remember not liking something from his start, im not confident hes a hit fwiw
But ... so very vague.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:41 pm
by Master Radishes
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm I feel pretty unfamiliar with Ender's game, can people give me their opinions on it?
Great book, movie bleh, author not my favourite person.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:41 pm
by Sloonei
I’m what one might call a trendsetter.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:41 pm
by Party Crasher
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm I feel pretty unfamiliar with Ender's game, can people give me their opinions on it?
Lmaoooooo good one

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:42 pm
by Dennis
Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:41 pm I’m what one might call a trendsetter.
That's what I was thinking lol

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:43 pm
by ilario
Scotty wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:35 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine
Sheeping

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

I have no reason to townread you and don’t much care for the comment on this page to vote out Dennis just to see Kate go super saiyan
thats a shame because i tr you

also, that comment wasnt serious and your inability to realise that could perhaps explain why you are struggling with reads

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:43 pm
by Scotty
Dyslexicon wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:47 am
Scotty wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:31 am
Alison wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:28 am
nutella wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:20 am bruh idk what universe youre in that you arent assuming mafia shot lucy. like it was a silent shot on the top poster lmao it was mafia
who assumed mafia didn't shoot lucy?

i actually think that's suspicious because it's trying too hard to look like you don't have TMI when any reasonable person would just conclude it was a maf kill
Rondo just posited that
And you could see it, right?
Yep! Part of the pillars of empathy- being able to see other people’s viewpoint.

If you’re trying to make a case that in hedging, it’s a nonstarter. I hate hedging and most yardwork

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:44 pm
by ilario
looks like the army of potatoes are voting me lmao

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:44 pm
by Creature
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:44 pm looks like the army of potatoes are voting me lmao
[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:44 pm
by ilario
i ironically think most of them are town but im not too invested in this game so far and would it be amusing to see them try to win without having me to carry them through the dirt on my back like last goc.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm
by Party Crasher
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:43 pm
Scotty wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:35 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine
Sheeping

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

I have no reason to townread you and don’t much care for the comment on this page to vote out Dennis just to see Kate go super saiyan
thats a shame because i tr you

also, that comment wasnt serious and your inability to realise that could perhaps explain why you are struggling with reads
Image

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm
by Dennis
Okay so ilario's reaction of saying all the people voting for them is dumb is not the most inspiring, unless you meant something else when you called them potatoes

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm
by Scotty
I see Ender suspected me some time a few years ago in thread time (12 hours ago) and that’s funny because Ender is my top spot for 3p if there is one based on vibes

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm
by pyxxy
Party Crasher wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:41 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm I feel pretty unfamiliar with Ender's game, can people give me their opinions on it?
Lmaoooooo good one
I'm just trying to impress you 🥵 too sleepy to edit it onto the Shaq picture that would have been a slam dunk though

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm
by Master Radishes
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:44 pm looks like the army of potatoes are voting me lmao
Just generalising us root vegetables I see. Lazy and discriminatory and I expect better from you.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:46 pm
by Master Radishes
Radishes and potatoes are not the same.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:46 pm
by Master Radishes
Even if you snip our peens off.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:46 pm
by ilario
Dennis wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm Okay so ilario's reaction of saying all the people voting for them is dumb is not the most inspiring, unless you meant something else when you called them potatoes
no, its just that sloonei and MR pretty much do nothing in games, so its ironic they are voting someone whose being equally as useless when they should know stuff like this is NAI since it is essentially their mantra on how they approach most games.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
by Scotty
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:43 pm
Scotty wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:35 pm [VOTE: ilario] aubergine
Sheeping

[VOTE: ilario] aubergine

I have no reason to townread you and don’t much care for the comment on this page to vote out Dennis just to see Kate go super saiyan
thats a shame because i tr you

also, that comment wasnt serious and your inability to realise that could perhaps explain why you are struggling with reads
Well I haven’t read the last 12 pages so there certainly that possibility

You can still TR me of course.

I’ve never professed to having good reads on D1. But I can see you as bad :charlieblackmon:

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
by Party Crasher
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm
Party Crasher wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:41 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm I feel pretty unfamiliar with Ender's game, can people give me their opinions on it?
Lmaoooooo good one
I'm just trying to impress you 🥵 too sleepy to edit it onto the Shaq picture that would have been a slam dunk though
damn behave yourself babe 😳 (add me on whatsapp later)

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
by Porscha
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:53 am
Michelle wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:52 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:15 am
Michelle wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:30 am
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:27 am
Dennis wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:43 am Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life

Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative

Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why

Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)

Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town

Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't

Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though

Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch

No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye
@Dennis j never townread you lol
Good vibes from Dennis in the quoted post
Michelle.

That is literally a nothing post.

The takes are so lukewarm I can't even heat my cold as fuck fingers in them.
I rescind my TL on Ender
Vote me out, see my green blood, then go read Dennis again and you'll realise I was just right.
I'm on ender's side here tbh

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
by Dennis
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:46 pm
Dennis wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm Okay so ilario's reaction of saying all the people voting for them is dumb is not the most inspiring, unless you meant something else when you called them potatoes
no, its just that sloonei and MR pretty much do nothing in games, so its ironic they are voting someone whose being equally as useless when they should know stuff like this is NAI since it is essentially their mantra on how they approach most games.
A rather smooth recovery in my opinion 7/10

I'm content staying on Mac for now

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
by Sloonei
ilario wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:46 pm
Dennis wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm Okay so ilario's reaction of saying all the people voting for them is dumb is not the most inspiring, unless you meant something else when you called them potatoes
no, its just that sloonei and MR pretty much do nothing in games, so its ironic they are voting someone whose being equally as useless when they should know stuff like this is NAI since it is essentially their mantra on how they approach most games.
I don’t do nothing. I do very little.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pm
by Party Crasher
ilario lock town 🌚🌚🌚

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pm
by ilario
anyways imma probs vote an actual wolf and peace out for the day

/vote pyxxy

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pm
by Master Radishes
Yeah, *I* do nothing. Leave Sloonei out of this.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:50 pm
by sig
Creature wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:45 am Anyway I don't want you all complaining about wagons being stale. That's a fucking wolf excuse to abort an otherwise strong wagon on their partner.
This 100%


Plus it’s a game of what 36 people? So 5 people holding firm is like 8%.

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:51 pm
by pyxxy
Party Crasher wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:45 pm
Party Crasher wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:41 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:40 pm I feel pretty unfamiliar with Ender's game, can people give me their opinions on it?
Lmaoooooo good one
I'm just trying to impress you 🥵 too sleepy to edit it onto the Shaq picture that would have been a slam dunk though
damn behave yourself babe 😳 (add me on whatsapp later)
(PGOGERS 😳)

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:52 pm
by sig
Cape90 wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:03 pm
sig wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:14 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:12 pm
sig wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:10 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:05 pm
sig wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:02 pm Damn I got distracted with work (how dare I’m forced to work on a work day) and I lost my post.

I’ve got pretty solid civ reads on: Golden, Allison, Nutella & Lucy. But I do think SVS point on Golden/Kate could have some merit.

/slight civ reads on:
Rondo
Gullio
Michelle
Neon
Urist

I’d not want to vote off this phase

Marmot
Scotty
Sloonie
Wilgy
Mac
Cap
Le petit (even though they voted for me)
TSP
Svs
Anyone that hasn’t posted

Prime eyeballing in order of most scumish

Dennis
Creature
Kate
TSP
Wilgy


I know the last two are on my not voting off list, so while I’m. Leery of them I’d not vote for them today.


Also honorary mention is Sabie. They’re here and very active, but not really contributing that much yet. They’re also not showcasing that normal townie indecisiveness I’d expect.
I'm sabi not sabie :p

You only played one game with me

Well shit, no wonder I was so confused that game.

I’m striking my Sabi read until further notice and dying from embarrassment instead
This feels like a fake derp because a) it was announced sabie is a mod in the game and b) you didn't have this issue in cartomacy

Sooooo hmmmm
This is a silly reason to vote for someone and fake derps don’t exist
i would like this post if sig wasn't referring to themselves lol
You can still like it :p

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:55 pm
by sig
I’m semi caught up but I feel like I just read through pages of nothing nonesense.

Also I don’t like that there are people who mentioned me/are trying to link me to people without tagging me that’s a wee bit scummy. (I don’t remember who did this now though so oops)

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:56 pm
by pyxxy
Le petit poussin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:48 am seriously though. Just went thorugh pyxxy's iso. It's wolfing textbook 101.

Also Sig is their partner (helped them getting into the thread after the struggling intro, pyxxy making "not ww" posts about them after random posts etc)

#neverrescind.

That's already 3 for u guys. yw My train is about to stop. I'll take a break till the next one (in three hours)

hf glglgl
@Le petit poussin What prompted you to go through my ISO? Do you just re-read people every now and then?

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:57 pm
by sig
Le petit poussin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:48 am seriously though. Just went thorugh pyxxy's iso. It's wolfing textbook 101.

Also Sig is their partner (helped them getting into the thread after the struggling intro, pyxxy making "not ww" posts about them after random posts etc)

#neverrescind.

That's already 3 for u guys. yw My train is about to stop. I'll take a break till the next one (in three hours)

hf glglgl
This is the one I don’t like.

1. Tying two people together when neither has flipped is bad form and it gives excuses to vote off multiple ppl.

2. I don’t think whatever throw away joke I did with them is AI at all

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:57 pm
by sig
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:56 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:48 am seriously though. Just went thorugh pyxxy's iso. It's wolfing textbook 101.

Also Sig is their partner (helped them getting into the thread after the struggling intro, pyxxy making "not ww" posts about them after random posts etc)

#neverrescind.

That's already 3 for u guys. yw My train is about to stop. I'll take a break till the next one (in three hours)

hf glglgl
@Le petit poussin What prompted you to go through my ISO? Do you just re-read people every now and then?
Dude you aren’t helping this whole “we’re tied together thing”

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:59 pm
by pyxxy
sig wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:57 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:56 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:48 am seriously though. Just went thorugh pyxxy's iso. It's wolfing textbook 101.

Also Sig is their partner (helped them getting into the thread after the struggling intro, pyxxy making "not ww" posts about them after random posts etc)

#neverrescind.

That's already 3 for u guys. yw My train is about to stop. I'll take a break till the next one (in three hours)

hf glglgl
@Le petit poussin What prompted you to go through my ISO? Do you just re-read people every now and then?
Dude you aren’t helping this whole “we’re tied together thing”
sorry I just got to page 66 😬

uhhhhhh I think UK men's basketball is doodoo? I mean more than just this season, like in general, big stinky pile of poo

haha there now no one will suspect us 😎

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:00 pm
by sig
[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I think their gameplay mirrors Cartoon in which they were mafia and I think we’re seeing some soft defense/counter wagon activity.

I do see this ties it with Cape (I love ties) but with how much time we’ve got left a tie isn’t a big deal.

Also is there a case for Illayor/Cape? Since I haven’t seen one

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:01 pm
by Scotty
sig wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:00 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I think their gameplay mirrors Cartoon in which they were mafia and I think we’re seeing some soft defense/counter wagon activity.

I do see this ties it with Cape (I love ties) but with how much time we’ve got left a tie isn’t a big deal.

Also is there a case for Illayor/Cape? Since I haven’t seen one
Mafia decide ties

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:02 pm
by sig
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:59 pm
sig wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:57 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:56 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:48 am seriously though. Just went thorugh pyxxy's iso. It's wolfing textbook 101.

Also Sig is their partner (helped them getting into the thread after the struggling intro, pyxxy making "not ww" posts about them after random posts etc)

#neverrescind.

That's already 3 for u guys. yw My train is about to stop. I'll take a break till the next one (in three hours)

hf glglgl
@Le petit poussin What prompted you to go through my ISO? Do you just re-read people every now and then?
Dude you aren’t helping this whole “we’re tied together thing”
sorry I just got to page 66 😬

uhhhhhh I think UK men's basketball is doodoo? I mean more than just this season, like in general, big stinky pile of poo

haha there now no one will suspect us 😎
Something something Calipari is amazing!!!!!!!! Definitely deserves to be the highest paid employee and will umm hmm make us get into the Top 8 every time!


(Also wow I told you in scum chat to say our baseball team sucks not basketball learn to read)

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:02 pm
by sig
Scotty wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:01 pm
sig wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:00 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

I think their gameplay mirrors Cartoon in which they were mafia and I think we’re seeing some soft defense/counter wagon activity.

I do see this ties it with Cape (I love ties) but with how much time we’ve got left a tie isn’t a big deal.

Also is there a case for Illayor/Cape? Since I haven’t seen one
Mafia decide ties
Right and since we’ve got like 6 hours left it isn’t a big deal to tie it again

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:05 pm
by pyxxy
sig wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:02 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:59 pm
sig wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:57 pm
pyxxy wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:56 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:48 am seriously though. Just went thorugh pyxxy's iso. It's wolfing textbook 101.

Also Sig is their partner (helped them getting into the thread after the struggling intro, pyxxy making "not ww" posts about them after random posts etc)

#neverrescind.

That's already 3 for u guys. yw My train is about to stop. I'll take a break till the next one (in three hours)

hf glglgl
@Le petit poussin What prompted you to go through my ISO? Do you just re-read people every now and then?
Dude you aren’t helping this whole “we’re tied together thing”
sorry I just got to page 66 😬

uhhhhhh I think UK men's basketball is doodoo? I mean more than just this season, like in general, big stinky pile of poo

haha there now no one will suspect us 😎
Something something Calipari is amazing!!!!!!!! Definitely deserves to be the highest paid employee and will umm hmm make us get into the Top 8 every time!


(Also wow I told you in scum chat to say our baseball team sucks not basketball learn to read)
(dammit should have wrote bball for plausible deniability)

Re: Game of Champions 2022 D1

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:05 pm
by sig
My issue with the three wagons are I only have town reads on 2 people on well all of the wagons. Those being Allison and Neon.

The people on Ilario wagon contain the ones I’m most iffy on scum wise being creature and maybe sloonie. (Don’t ask me what sloonie did I don’t remember but I do remember I thought I was weird)

I also don’t really trust PC who’s on the Dennis wagon. Now I don’t think they’re mafia but I’m pretty sure they’re 3rd party so like they’ve got a secondary agenda.