The Syndicate

ObscureAllure wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con
Ricochet
Spacedaisy
Silverwolf
Glorfindel
G-Man
S~V~S
bea
Polo
Matt
Marmot
DrWilgy
Epignosis
SokothQultuq
juliets
Scotty
Black Rock
DFaraday
Drum Beats
ObscureAllure
LoRab
sig
Vompatti

Wtf? Why? I have called out most of the names around me as suspected mafia, I've been screaming LoRab for days before anyone else, and I just came out and said I think your civvie?

a2thezebra wrote:It's not going to be between me and LC by the way, that's some serious bullshit.

a2thezebra wrote:What do you feel betrayed or something? You think I just suspect everyone who suspects me and give free passes to everyone who doesn't? Sorry.

Polo wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Voting Lorab

I don't think Lorab is a good Cylon, and I want her to keep having the most votes.

Uh, you voted Long Con on the poll.

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

Very creative, President! What's gonna happen? I predict that the player that is going to be lynched today will, not before deadline minus fifteen minutes, declare themselves a Cylon in order to avoid getting lynched.

Aware of this likelihood, we will have some sort of loose idea of a second-place lynch candidate with some votes, provided we can all come to some agreement about who's voting where and what it will mean in the new reality this law dictates.

This second-place candidate will likely be paying attention, and declare themselves a Cylon to survive, in which case the third-most votes will decide the lynch target. If we somehow come together harmoniously enough to be able to plan for this eventuality, I propose we go for a low-posting type, someone we just don't have the ability to give a solid read on, but more importantly, someone who isn't going to be likely to declare themselves a Cylon. You dig what I'm saying?

(And of course, everyone but Epi who declares themselves a Cylon to escape lynch is going to later deny being a Cylon, claiming only to have said it under threat of death, etc. Right? I don't see this law as being likely to catch Cylons.)

That will take some indiglo-Sortie-level-planning, and I don't know if it's possible. I think it would take at least three designated players who will be around at lynch time to choose the third target on the fly or something. Even just typing this out, my mind is blown by how much this changes the entire landscape of the lynch. We can choose to let fate and vote timing and online availability decide this lynch in a more uncontrollable way than usual... or we can come together and work with each other to keep tight control on who is getting lynched. Either option works for me. I'm too lazy to take the helm in an organization bid.

I just wanted to talk out some scenarios in order to get everyone thinking in portals. This crazy law is forever, each one of us gets to literally stop their own lynch with a simple post once in the game, be it today or on Day 14. This is our new reality, breath it in and taste it.

Ricochet wrote:I don't get why some players just dumped Cylon claims merely for the sake of getting rid of 'em. Most of you weren't even strong lynch candidates. I find this behavior a bit chaotic. If you're humans, you merely went around the law and played with the notion of fake claiming. If you're cylons, right now you could have easily bantered your way out of every having to out yourselves for real and your D2 testimony being treated as the equivalent of WIFOM ("did he/she claim for bantz or for real?"), instead of being every scrutizined properly.

Matt wrote:Wow that was a thrilling catch up!

So many things happened...

Matt wrote:I think he's [Marmot's] a liar. Dunno about what exactly, but he's lyin' about something.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I don't get why some players just dumped Cylon claims merely for the sake of getting rid of 'em. Most of you weren't even strong lynch candidates. I find this behavior a bit chaotic. If you're humans, you merely went around the law and played with the notion of fake claiming. If you're cylons, right now you could have easily bantered your way out of every having to out yourselves for real and your D2 testimony being treated as the equivalent of WIFOM ("did he/she claim for bantz or for real?"), instead of being every scrutizined properly.

Did you even read the plan? The point is that if everyone posts in thread "I am a Cylon", then we can theoretically eliminate all amnesty in a single day phase.

We weren't claiming "for shits and giggles", we were claiming to force the hands of the Cylons.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I don't get why some players just dumped Cylon claims merely for the sake of getting rid of 'em. Most of you weren't even strong lynch candidates. I find this behavior a bit chaotic. If you're humans, you merely went around the law and played with the notion of fake claiming. If you're cylons, right now you could have easily bantered your way out of every having to out yourselves for real and your D2 testimony being treated as the equivalent of WIFOM ("did he/she claim for bantz or for real?"), instead of being every scrutizined properly.

Did you even read the plan? The point is that if everyone posts in thread "I am a Cylon", then we can theoretically eliminate all amnesty in a single day phase.

We weren't claiming "for shits and giggles", we were claiming to force the hands of the Cylons.

Did you read my caveat? Cylons could perfectly blend in with this, whilst not giving a frak about actual amnesty. The amnesty law should be like plain bait for Cylons, especially bad ones. I can't speak for LoRab's decision, but if I were Cylon and bad, I would not touch the amnesty button one bit, at this stage. LoRab did, but I doubt all six others will and I doubt this law will be the gamesolver for us civilians.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I don't get why some players just dumped Cylon claims merely for the sake of getting rid of 'em. Most of you weren't even strong lynch candidates. I find this behavior a bit chaotic. If you're humans, you merely went around the law and played with the notion of fake claiming. If you're cylons, right now you could have easily bantered your way out of every having to out yourselves for real and your D2 testimony being treated as the equivalent of WIFOM ("did he/she claim for bantz or for real?"), instead of being every scrutizined properly.

Did you even read the plan? The point is that if everyone posts in thread "I am a Cylon", then we can theoretically eliminate all amnesty in a single day phase.

We weren't claiming "for shits and giggles", we were claiming to force the hands of the Cylons.

Did you read my caveat? Cylons could perfectly blend in with this, whilst not giving a frak about actual amnesty. The amnesty law should be like plain bait for Cylons, especially bad ones. I can't speak for LoRab's decision, but if I were Cylon and bad, I would not touch the amnesty button one bit, at this stage. LoRab did, but I doubt all six others will and I doubt this law will be the gamesolver for us civilians.

Ricochet wrote:I don't see how saying it can hurt Cylons at this stage, if everyone is saying it. Sure, they'll be deprived of attempting to pull any more amnesty moves, but we'll have no way to potentially identify them, if he pool will be large. Wasn't the law primarly designed for that?

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:An immune player does not even have zero votes. If the lynch ended with a tie of players on zero votes, they would still be immune and not form part of any tie breaker. They have no number of votes, and any votes towards them won't change that. This is true of any mechanic that makes someone 'immune', including the Cylon Immunity Act.

Tell us more about these other mechanics..!

Or, alternatively, I could just rely on you to read everything I've already written thoroughly?

ObscureAllure wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:BTW, I agree with lynching Lorab tomorrow followed by Long Con after that.

Why LC?

How has this man been a top suspect since day one and he's not lunched yet. Lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:OA and Silverwolf, let's form a town bloc. I trust y'all and find your reads mostly agreeable. If we put our heads together I think we can make great progress.

ObscureAllure wrote:I'd bet money that LoRab and LC are cylon mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:2. With LoRab having outed herself, a legitimate strategy could then be employed by honest people to pursue the lynch of someone else. Epignosis was the primary purveyor of this strategy, and I don't fault him for that. If LoRab truly had earned herself amnesty, then Golden's interpretation of the President's law would facilitate the lynch of the player with the second-most votes. This could be any player at any vote total so long as it is the second most.

a2thezebra wrote:JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con
Ricochet
Spacedaisy
Silverwolf
Glorfindel
G-Man
S~V~S
bea
Polo
Matt
Marmot
DrWilgy
Epignosis
SokothQultuq
juliets
Scotty
Black Rock
DFaraday
Drum Beats
ObscureAllure
LoRab
sig
Vompatti

Matt wrote:Wow that was a thrilling catch up!

So many things happened...

Spoiler: show

Next day phase, we all need to follow Marmot and claim Cylon. Genius! Of course, that would mean only those who claimed Cylon during this phase would be up for lynch, but at this point, it looks like Lorab's a goner anyway so it'd be the perfect day phase to finish this.

Speaking of Marmot...

May 15, 8:16 PM

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:So basically right now it comes down to who would we rather have in front, Nero or Lorab.

Pros of Nero ahead:
-Human!Lorab would not die

Pros of Lorab:
-We would know for sure if Lorab is a cylon.

I'm personally leaning more towards putting Nero ahead. Would've preferred Glorfindel or Bea, but sadly that's not a choice.

Vote: Nerolunar

As Golden just cleared up, Lorab effectively has 0 votes (unless she lied).

Thus, Nerolunar would be the lynch leader regardless of your vote. But that's alright.

Here, we have MM telling Drum that Nero is going to be the lynch leader regardless of his vote, because Lorab has, technically, zero votes.

At this point, Marmot believes that Nero is leading the lynch.

May 15, 8:38 PM

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Polo wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Vote Nerolunar

If Nerolunar flips civ, you're my next lynch.

Why?

1) I don't do ties if I can help it.
2) If Lorab is a Cylon (which I believe she is), then Nero is lynched no matter where I vote.
3) I don't understand why you come to this conclusion.

1 and 2 conflict. Marmot says he doesn't do ties in 1. However, in 2, Marmot says he does, in fact, believe Lorab is a Cylon, so therefore it wasn't even a tie, from his POV. So his number 1 is a lie.

Also, go back to the 8:16 PM quote, and see what he tells Drum. "Nerolunar would be the lynch leader regardless of your vote. But that's alright." By saying "but that's alright", I feel, from Marmot's PoV, that Drum did something "wrong" by voting for Nero, yet Marmot would do the exact same thing, vote for Nero, less then 20 min later. Wtf

At this point, Marmot believes that Lorab and Nero were tied...except he really doesn't, cuz as he said, he fully believed Lorab was a Cylon. So I guess he thought that Nero was still in the lead? Inconclusive.

May 15, 8:42 PM

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well I'm sorry Nerolunar.

Y'all are going to have to deal with it. I said earlier I'd prefer a Long Con or Glorfindel lynch, but the tie was created between Lorab and Nerolunar. I'm not going to place a worthless vote elsewhere if there at tie between the top wagons.

If you've got a problem with it, tough shit.

Now here, suddenly Marmot goes full on "they were tied" mode. Despite clearly advising Drum, less then a half hour before, that Nero was in the lead.

At this point, Marmot believes Lorab and Nero were tied.

May 15, 10:44 PM

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I had it in my mind that there was no reason to vote for Lorab because she claimed Cylon and wouldn't be lynched regardless. In retrospect, I think you and Daisy are correct on what I should have done, but that didn't occur to me until too late.

That said, voting for Nerolunar was still better than voting somewhere else. A tie between Lorab and Nero with Nero being lynched wouldn't have learned us anything, again assuming that Lorab is a Cylon.

Again, these ideas conflict.

If Marmot believes that there's no reason to vote for Lorab because she wouldn't be lynched regardless, then his reason # 1 in the 8:38PM post doesn't make sense. "I don't do ties." There wouldn't be a tie!

Anyway, at this last point, I'm not sure if Marmot believes they were tied or if Nero was in the lead, or whatever. It's blurry, because Marmot isn't being clear.

I think he's a liar. Dunno about what exactly, but he's lyin' about something.

I find it questionable that he said "but that's alright" to Drum at one point in the evening, as if Drum might have made a "mistake", and then goes on to make the exact same "mistake" less then 30 minutes later!!

Hrm.

Vompatti wrote:I'm pretty sure either Zebra or LC is bad, but probably not both of them.

Long Con wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I'm pretty sure either Zebra or LC is bad, but probably not both of them.

Why?

Silverwolf wrote:Lorab needs to be lynched. I don't think there's any question about that. Long Con can be next thought. I believe I found a post that clearly comes from a cylon mindset last day phase,

his refusal to vote nutella speaks volumes,

he interfered with the sorties,

he got involved with the whole Matt and I thing to try to stir it up when it was dying down,

his posts are way too "I'm not a cylon, cylons are bad" to the point where it looks overdone.

And anyone that thinks a cw can't be on a scum team mate should look at Turf Wars.

Here's the post I'm talking about that comes from a cylon mindset. I realize some of you think he made a mistake but I think it's telling he's assuming everyone is a cylon.

Long Con wrote:

Spoiler: show

Golden wrote:A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

Very creative, President! What's gonna happen? I predict that the player that is going to be lynched today will, not before deadline minus fifteen minutes, declare themselves a Cylon in order to avoid getting lynched.

Aware of this likelihood, we will have some sort of loose idea of a second-place lynch candidate with some votes, provided we can all come to some agreement about who's voting where and what it will mean in the new reality this law dictates.

This second-place candidate will likely be paying attention, and declare themselves a Cylon to survive, in which case the third-most votes will decide the lynch target. If we somehow come together harmoniously enough to be able to plan for this eventuality, I propose we go for a low-posting type, someone we just don't have the ability to give a solid read on, but more importantly, someone who isn't going to be likely to declare themselves a Cylon. You dig what I'm saying?

(And of course, everyone but Epi who declares themselves a Cylon to escape lynch is going to later deny being a Cylon, claiming only to have said it under threat of death, etc. Right? I don't see this law as being likely to catch Cylons.)

That will take some indiglo-Sortie-level-planning, and I don't know if it's possible. I think it would take at least three designated players who will be around at lynch time to choose the third target on the fly or something. Even just typing this out, my mind is blown by how much this changes the entire landscape of the lynch. We can choose to let fate and vote timing and online availability decide this lynch in a more uncontrollable way than usual... or we can come together and work with each other to keep tight control on who is getting lynched. Either option works for me. I'm too lazy to take the helm in an organization bid.

I just wanted to talk out some scenarios in order to get everyone thinking in portals. This crazy law is forever, each one of us gets to literally stop their own lynch with a simple post once in the game, be it today or on Day 14. This is our new reality, breath it in and taste it.

Vompatti wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I'm pretty sure either Zebra or LC is bad, but probably not both of them.

Why?

I had a theory about this last night and it felt so obvious I didn't even write it down.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Everyone but the Cylons follow the plan: Then we found our Cylons. I don't expect this result, but it is possible.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Everyone follows the plan: We don't learn who the Cylons are, but they are at least easier to lynch.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: What do we have to lose by using this plan Ricochet? How would it hurt the humans for every player to Cylon-claim?

ObscureAllure wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:What do you feel betrayed or something? You think I just suspect everyone who suspects me and give free passes to everyone who doesn't? Sorry.

Still waiting on actual reasoning on that one. Evidence? You think I'm team mates with the people that I chased after before anyone else really did?

sig wrote: I disagree any if I was mafia thing can be used by mafia. And mafia can openly defend their teammates smart mafia do it, the winners of GoC did it and I've done it multiply times and have never gotten lynched in the past. So saying smart mafia wouldn't do this is WIFOM ridden and inaccurate.

Matt wrote:Why does Rico always make me want to lynch him? Haha. Like, I think he's one of the best players around, what with his analyses and all, even this game I'm feeling better about him lately, buuuuuut now, he's trying to counter the Revolution against one of the worst laws in Colony history!!!

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, Long's Con rebuttal to me is practically a scum claim in itself. All he's doing is descrediting and misrepresenting what I'm saying which is scum play 101.

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

SokothQultuq wrote:Keeping with my promise. I rolled a 10. So 3J it is..

I vote JaggedJimmyJay

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, Long's Con rebuttal to me is practically a scum claim in itself. All he's doing is descrediting and misrepresenting what I'm saying which is scum play 101.

"Discrediting" and "misrepresenting" are two big words that usually mean dick all. I responded to your accusations straight. Have fun in your tunnel, wolf.

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

Technically, we cannot "all" claim on Day 4 anymore. Some have already claimed Day 3. But I'll pick up your thesis:

Everyone uses his claim Day 4. Cool.
Tell me which are the Cylons.
Tell me how the baddies are hurt, in this instance.

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

Technically, we cannot "all" claim on Day 4 anymore. Some have already claimed Day 3. But I'll pick up your thesis:

Everyone uses his claim Day 4. Cool.
Tell me which are the Cylons.
Tell me how the baddies are hurt, in this instance.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

I don't find it in the interest of any civilian to fakeclaim during future Day phases just to save their asses, so this scenario is actually better for leaving such pressure only to actual Cylons.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Everyone but the Cylons follow the plan: Then we found our Cylons. I don't expect this result, but it is possible.

Who is "everyone"? If you are supposedly an uninformed civilian, you should have no concept of who "everyone but Cylons" might be. There is no way to distinguish Cylons from humans (or baddies from civilians) simply by assuming that "everyone but Cylons will follow through". I don't find this scenario feasible. Case in point, I am human civilian and don't plan to fake Cylonclaim. What you're proposing sounds almost like a "hey, everyone who is civ say so, the others must be therefore bad". Uh, fat chance.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Everyone follows the plan: We don't learn who the Cylons are, but they are at least easier to lynch.

If everyone follows the plan, we go back to the usual lynch status quo, in which nobody is safe from lynching based on this law. That's about it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: What do we have to lose by using this plan Ricochet? How would it hurt the humans for every player to Cylon-claim?

It would not hurt the humans, but it would not help them bait or distinguish Cylons no more. Besides, we should be respecting da law and I find it that this law was meant to ensnare Cylons, not for us to use it en gros to allow for nothing to be potentially achieved.

Matt wrote:@ Marmot, can you please explain why you claimed that you voted for Nero because "you don't do ties" even though you clearly believed Lorab was telling the truth about being a Cylon, thus no tie even existed, at least from your PoV? Your reasons for voting Nero are not clear in the slightest, they make no sense.

Silverwolf wrote:Really? We have to do it during the day? OK, I'll do it first thing if I'm alive.

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:Why does Rico always make me want to lynch him? Haha. Like, I think he's one of the best players around, what with his analyses and all, even this game I'm feeling better about him lately, buuuuuut now, he's trying to counter the Revolution against one of the worst laws in Colony history!!!

Da law is da law.

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective.

How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, Long's Con rebuttal to me is practically a scum claim in itself. All he's doing is descrediting and misrepresenting what I'm saying which is scum play 101.

"Discrediting" and "misrepresenting" are two big words that usually mean dick all. I responded to your accusations straight. Have fun in your tunnel, wolf.

Of course they wouldn't mean shit to you since you keep doing it.

You have plenty of suspicion on you already so I shouldn't have too much trouble getting you lynched.