The Syndicate

Ishmael removes your old win con, though.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:There are nine players tho. What if Jack sides with Sorsha?

I'm confident that if the four of us vote together, we end the game and win.

Well Dom doesn't seem to be online.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:There are nine players tho. What if Jack sides with Sorsha?

I'm confident that if the four of us vote together, we end the game and win.

Meh. Wait on DF to answer my question about countering role blocks before you go there.

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Additionally troubling is how the Sorsha reads turned from town to only possible mafia member overnight with no Sorsha posts inbetween.

What changed?

Why is Dom town? Dom's alignment is important for determining Sig's imo. (Cause I think hes a specific townie is unconvincing. I need reasons or at least key posts).


Linki: For the clear? I was mechanically cleared and nobody cared. Unconvincing argument. Why would Sorsha shoot herself? Why would the scum shoot Sorsha if she wasn't scum? No good answer to either of those questions.

There is either trust, or there isn't trust. All I want is a straight answer from you, are you going to stick with the town, or help the cult. That's all it comes down to now. The consequence for helping the cult is that, by pushing the day into extra phases, you could risk your own death. The consequence of helping the town is your buddy quin could lose. You're in a shit position.

I already gave you everything you needed to deduce dom's role, yesterday and today, if you want to try, so that you can get yourself in to the mindset of why dom is a townie. But, for me, it's just about picking a side at this point.

The thing that gets me is that if Sorsha is the last scummer and Sig gets lynched....so what? I don't see Poe, Sunny or Sorsha taking a shot at me tonight.

If Sig or Dom is the last scummer and Sorsha gets lynched...I'm probably dead. Sig and Dom have both proved unwilling to listen to me and more than happy to rid themselves of VFD players. Plus, the VFD won't know who to block.

So I need to be sure it's Sorsha and not Dom and/or Sig. Sorsha and Dom aren't posting anything helpful and Sig is openly hostile. Plenty of time to change that, though.

If you think you can end the game with or without me, have at it and good luck.

OK, Jack. Thanks, thats clear enough! I hope you do win, whatever comes. I understand your choice and position.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Golden

So if Sorsha is the last scummer and the poig, she could block and kill in one night? Block and kill herself? Why do this instead of just blocking and killing say...you? Doesn't this also cause a paradox? Roleblocker roleblocking herself.

Sig's suggestion that Sunny shoot at the VFDs says he doesn't think the game ends today, which is troublesome.

This^

I didn't block or kill anyone last night, nor did I attempt to. I'm not bad.

If I had to pick I'd say Dom is likely troupe along with either daisy or mp

Right now town has the opportunity to extend their win. You're so confident Sorsha is the last baddie, so hold onto that. Town will still be able to win even after letting the cultists and VFD in on it. If something did go wrong during the night and a cultist was killed, then I'd say cut your losses and go for it. But right now you're actively working towards a pretty shit outcome for a lot of people. That sucks.

Quin wrote:Right now town has the opportunity to extend their win. You're so confident Sorsha is the last baddie, so hold onto that. Town will still be able to win even after letting the cultists and VFD in on it. If something did go wrong during the night and a cultist was killed, then I'd say cut your losses and go for it. But right now you're actively working towards a pretty shit outcome for a lot of people. That sucks.

And you're actively trying to lynch one of my teammates and asking me to do the same.

Would you lynch Jack, Quin? Would you do that to extend this? Because I think the answer is no. You're loyal to Jack, as you should be.

Don't get all righteous with me. You're not on my side. You're actively working against my team by trying to lynch one of them. I'm loyal to sig, to DDL, to dom, and I'm going to stick by them, and no amount of emotional manipulation will move me. And I have a shot for us to win the game right here, and no guarantees I'll get that shot again. Of course I'm going to take the shot.

MP and Daisy are quite literally my closest friends on this site. Friends for life. There's no way I'd actively cost them a win if I felt I had a choice. But there is no choice here.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:Right now town has the opportunity to extend their win. You're so confident Sorsha is the last baddie, so hold onto that. Town will still be able to win even after letting the cultists and VFD in on it. If something did go wrong during the night and a cultist was killed, then I'd say cut your losses and go for it. But right now you're actively working towards a pretty shit outcome for a lot of people. That sucks.

And you're actively trying to lynch one of my teammates and asking me to do the same.

Would you lynch Jack, Quin? Would you do that to extend this? Because I think the answer is no. You're loyal to Jack, as you should be.

Don't get all righteous with me. You're not on my side. You're actively working against my team by trying to lynch one of them. I'm loyal to sig, to DDL, to dom, and I'm going to stick by them, and no amount of emotional manipulation will move me. And I have a shot for us to win the game right here, and no guarantees I'll get that shot again. Of course I'm going to take the shot.

MP and Daisy are quite literally my closest friends on this site. Friends for life. There's no way I'd actively cost them a win if I felt I had a choice. But there is no choice here.

I wasn't trying to be emotionally manipulative. I just think you do have a choice. At least wait on DF's answer to my question before you throw your votes down.

I know it's not your intent.

I think we've disagreed on every single thing in this game, Golden.

Quin wrote:I think we've disagreed on every single thing in this game, Golden.

And yet, I'm still sorry that I feel we are here in this position that you might lose.

But I'm glad that you've survived this deep. It feels like you keep dying early recently, and those patches suck.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:I think we've disagreed on every single thing in this game, Golden.

And yet, I'm still sorry that I feel we are here in this position that you might lose.

But I'm glad that you've survived this deep. It feels like you keep dying early recently, and those patches suck.

It's only been a few games that that's happened, so it's not an issue for me yet.



Even if you don't want to hear these things, you can't blame me for trying, right?

I won't be especially upset if you do your thing, either. It's not like I've given up anyway.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Additionally troubling is how the Sorsha reads turned from town to only possible mafia member overnight with no Sorsha posts inbetween.

What changed?

Why is Dom town? Dom's alignment is important for determining Sig's imo. (Cause I think hes a specific townie is unconvincing. I need reasons or at least key posts).


Linki: For the clear? I was mechanically cleared and nobody cared. Unconvincing argument. Why would Sorsha shoot herself? Why would the scum shoot Sorsha if she wasn't scum? No good answer to either of those questions.

Also good points in this post. Golden thought daisy and I were civ just yesterday.

This is a game, people. You are not backstabbing each other on RL.

Play to win and stop this pointless discussion.

Anyway... I doubt I can change your minds but lynching me isn't going to help the civs..

All I know is that my first civ win in the Syndicate is way overdue.

Let's do this.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:This is a game, people. You are not backstabbing each other on RL.

Play to win and stop this pointless discussion.

That is...................what I am doing.

Quin wrote:I won't be especially upset if you do your thing, either. It's not like I've given up anyway.

Well, I'm sure you understand when I say I can't vote for one of my own. I'm sure you know, like, we could suggest Jack as a compromise candidate, but that wouldn't be fair or right, and you know it. It just is what it is at this point, I think.

This is the reason I tell people not to recruit me on pain of death to their entire team. Because when I get placed in your position, I help my old team win instead of my new one.

Except when I'm recruited early. My World Reborn recruitment was epic.

In this case, I just feel like you got very unfortunate and unlucky. You can't blame Ishmael for trying.

Quin wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:This is a game, people. You are not backstabbing each other on RL.

Play to win and stop this pointless discussion.

That is...................what I am doing.

Yes, it is! What I'm doing too.

Quin wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:This is a game, people. You are not backstabbing each other on RL.

Play to win and stop this pointless discussion.

That is...................what I am doing.

And you are asking Golden not to do it on the grounds of morality and emotion.

It's silly. Don't bother.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:This is a game, people. You are not backstabbing each other on RL.

Play to win and stop this pointless discussion.

That is...................what I am doing.

And you are asking Golden not to do it on the grounds of morality and emotion.

It's silly. Don't bother.

No I'm not. I'm asking Golden to do it based on the grounds of compromise and rationality.

I'm 100% sure Dom is town, mafia Dom wouldn't have exposed himself by voting for LC. Plus I'd say I have a good grasp of Doms meta, we were mafia together in Star Wars as a team of two, so I trust my read of him.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:I won't be especially upset if you do your thing, either. It's not like I've given up anyway.

Well, I'm sure you understand when I say I can't vote for one of my own. I'm sure you know, like, we could suggest Jack as a compromise candidate, but that wouldn't be fair or right, and you know it. It just is what it is at this point, I think.

This is the reason I tell people not to recruit me on pain of death to their entire team. Because when I get placed in your position, I help my old team win instead of my new one.

Except when I'm recruited early. My World Reborn recruitment was epic.

In this case, I just feel like you got very unfortunate and unlucky. You can't blame Ishmael for trying.

No, I wouldn't. I figure I still need to post in hypotheticals so 'If Jack is VFD, lynching him would deny LC a win too'. You guys didn't even consider LC, did you?

I do think that lynching a townie today would work. Especially one who could very well be a second baddie who might actually exist. If he's town, he'll still get the banner at the end. I don't think one baddie vs 4 townies is a very dangerous position for towns to take a few risks.

Didn't Dom already make clear he's in? What are we waiting for?

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:I won't be especially upset if you do your thing, either. It's not like I've given up anyway.

Well, I'm sure you understand when I say I can't vote for one of my own. I'm sure you know, like, we could suggest Jack as a compromise candidate, but that wouldn't be fair or right, and you know it. It just is what it is at this point, I think.

This is the reason I tell people not to recruit me on pain of death to their entire team. Because when I get placed in your position, I help my old team win instead of my new one.

Except when I'm recruited early. My World Reborn recruitment was epic.

In this case, I just feel like you got very unfortunate and unlucky. You can't blame Ishmael for trying.

No, I wouldn't. I figure I still need to post in hypotheticals so 'If Jack is VFD, lynching him would deny LC a win too'. You guys didn't even consider LC, did you?

I did consider LC. I'm not willing to vote Jack as a compromise candidate either.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Didn't Dom already make clear he's in? What are we waiting for?

OK, lets do it.

Voted sorsha

If one of Golden/Dom played me, congratulations.

If not, it ends here. Let's win this.

You have all the evidence you should need to know I didn't play you

Golden wrote:You have all the evidence you should need to know I didn't play you

I will trust information obtained by abiities in a closed setup game when hell freezes over.

Well, you know I'll be voting someone else.

Sorsha, I assume you'll be voting self-pres, so you might want to hold it for a little bit

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:You have all the evidence you should need to know I didn't play you

I will trust information obtained by abiities in a closed setup game when hell freezes over.

I just mean that I've been completely genuine and done exactly what I've said I will do. But, I understand the tinfoil.

Oh, also, I didn't vote for you back on day two even when I wanted to. I'm beginning to figure you out. Maybe. Possibly.

DDL is still unreadable to me . But I think I've got an idea of his role this time.

sig wrote:I'm 100% sure Dom is town, mafia Dom wouldn't have exposed himself by voting for LC. Plus I'd say I have a good grasp of Doms meta, we were mafia together in Star Wars as a team of two, so I trust my read of him.

So half of your platform is "Let's kill Jack" and the other half of your platform is "Trust me, Jack."

Never run for public office.

Jack, meet sig

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

sig wrote:I'm 100% sure Dom is town, mafia Dom wouldn't have exposed himself by voting for LC. Plus I'd say I have a good grasp of Doms meta, we were mafia together in Star Wars as a team of two, so I trust my read of him.

So half of your platform is "Let's kill Jack" and the other half of your platform is "Trust me, Jack."

Never run for public office.

Golden wrote:Jack, meet sig

Yes that's my platform a pretty damn good one if I do say so.

I feel like this game has become less about civilians versus mafia and more about civilians versus independents. What a change of pace.

Quin wrote:I feel like this game has become less about civilians versus mafia and more about civilians versus independents. What a change of pace.

I'm still versus mafia. I don't feel I'm against you. If the game didn't end today, and there was a chance tomorrow to make a move that actively won us all the game, I'd take it.

Scotty wrote:Ill take a rez for $500, Alex.

And yes MP I'm talking to you.

You must be. Jeopardy doesn't have a $500 question.

voted Sorsha, I won't be around much tomorrow so don't lynch me when I'm gone.

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:It's simple really. If we were to give the cult a break and let them try to win, sorsha just kills a cult member to delay their victory and put them in the same position tomorrow. Town doesn't have the luxury of being merciful.

Yes you do. The Vfd exists.

The VFD doesn't help us that much at all. Especially since the mafia should know who they are. So just ignore the VFD and take out civs until they wi.

Personally I'd say if Sunny wasn't sure who to shoot they should aim for the VFD, no point in maybe killing townies. However, I think the chances of the civs winning this phase is high.

@Golden I'm pretty certain Dom is a civ, I don't think a mafia Dom would vote for.

Also do we think Poe was blocked last night? It could explain the no kill from Olaf, but there was an attempted kill. I'm very unsure here, the final baddies/baddie has to be between MP, Daisy, and Sorsha.

So I suggest we decide on one, I guess Sorsha, and go for it.

linki: I gave you a recap Dom?

missed it.

Golden wrote:I'm really just waiting for the absolute definite from dom. I'm sure sig will be in.

i said i was in...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Additionally troubling is how the Sorsha reads turned from town to only possible mafia member overnight with no Sorsha posts inbetween.

What changed?

Why is Dom town? Dom's alignment is important for determining Sig's imo. (Cause I think hes a specific townie is unconvincing. I need reasons or at least key posts).


Linki: For the clear? I was mechanically cleared and nobody cared. Unconvincing argument. Why would Sorsha shoot herself? Why would the scum shoot Sorsha if she wasn't scum? No good answer to either of those questions.

There is either trust, or there isn't trust. All I want is a straight answer from you, are you going to stick with the town, or help the cult. That's all it comes down to now. The consequence for helping the cult is that, by pushing the day into extra phases, you could risk your own death. The consequence of helping the town is your buddy quin could lose. You're in a shit position.

I already gave you everything you needed to deduce dom's role, yesterday and today, if you want to try, so that you can get yourself in to the mindset of why dom is a townie. But, for me, it's just about picking a side at this point.

The thing that gets me is that if Sorsha is the last scummer and Sig gets lynched....so what? I don't see Poe, Sunny or Sorsha taking a shot at me tonight.

If Sig or Dom is the last scummer and Sorsha gets lynched...I'm probably dead. Sig and Dom have both proved unwilling to listen to me and more than happy to rid themselves of VFD players. Plus, the VFD won't know who to block.

So I need to be sure it's Sorsha and not Dom and/or Sig. Sorsha and Dom aren't posting anything helpful and Sig is openly hostile. Plenty of time to change that, though.

If you think you can end the game with or without me, have at it and good luck.

what is helpful to you?
i didn't intentially lynch a volunteer fire department member. I thought LC might be bad because I know shit about this game.

Sorsha wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Golden

So if Sorsha is the last scummer and the poig, she could block and kill in one night? Block and kill herself? Why do this instead of just blocking and killing say...you? Doesn't this also cause a paradox? Roleblocker roleblocking herself.

Sig's suggestion that Sunny shoot at the VFDs says he doesn't think the game ends today, which is troublesome.

This^

I didn't block or kill anyone last night, nor did I attempt to. I'm not bad.

If I had to pick I'd say Dom is likely troupe along with either daisy or mp

why

Sorsha wrote:Anyway... I doubt I can change your minds but lynching me isn't going to help the civs..

why

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:Ill take a rez for $500, Alex.

And yes MP I'm talking to you.

You must be. Jeopardy doesn't have a $500 question.

Im dead. Rules of life and logic don't apply to me

get off my back ya hoser

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm really just waiting for the absolute definite from dom. I'm sure sig will be in.

i said i was in...

You did. I was going to be ultra cautious. But then the three of us voted for Sorsha. If you do as well I think we have this won.

Oh, so that's it.

DFaraday, two questions before I vote....


1) If a team only has one member left, can that member use their role power (like a block) + a kill at the same time?

2) If yes, then can that block be used to block the kill?

Dom wrote:DFaraday, two questions before I vote....


1) If a team only has one member left, can that member use their role power (like a block) + a kill at the same time?

2) If yes, then can that block be used to block the kill?

Repeat of my earlier question as well:

If a role blocker were to role block the PoIG, what would be the result if that person tried to kill somebody but also role blocked the initial role blocker first?