Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:19 pm I’m fine if you guys lynch me as long as you lynch Nutella after me. I don’t have much more, if you don’t like my case I’m sorry I didn’t present it well. I’ll stop by a few more times but I have a game to run and class until 6.
..wait what you read nutella civilian? you're joking rightJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:14 pm I do think that if we assume there is information working against both Simon and nutella, then we're left to judge their content apart from that. I have no reason to give Simon civilian credit. If it wasn't for TSP's flip, I might actually read nutella as a civilian right now. If she is mafia then she has worn the mask very well in this game.
Why do you think nutella kept her vote on tony? She cold have voted for me. But because he was an easy target for everyone she thought ok yeah he's onto me..time to get rid of himJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:12 pmThat's a fair argument. I would consider them both to be active at least in that they can send night actions. You'll note that Simon voted late in the last day phase, and for you.
Plus most thought I was bad & mafia wants players o stay in being accused of mafia so nobody suspects them hiding behind that.lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:27 pmWhy do you think nutella kept her vote on tony? She cold have voted for me. But because he was an easy target for everyone she thought ok yeah he's onto me..time to get rid of himJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:12 pmThat's a fair argument. I would consider them both to be active at least in that they can send night actions. You'll note that Simon voted late in the last day phase, and for you.
I would if it wasn't for the likelihood that TSP tracked her into a kill target. That is enough to make her a valid suspect and at this point I wouldn't object to lynching her. I'm just not sure she's immensely better a choice than Simon who I think can be cased in essentially the same way.lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:24 pm..wait what you read nutella civilian? you're joking rightJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:14 pm I do think that if we assume there is information working against both Simon and nutella, then we're left to judge their content apart from that. I have no reason to give Simon civilian credit. If it wasn't for TSP's flip, I might actually read nutella as a civilian right now. If she is mafia then she has worn the mask very well in this game.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 am So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).
Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85
HmmmmmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:34 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 am So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).
Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85
Sup fam!
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If Glorf hadn't townfirmed you... I'd lynch you for this.
How bout we not risk the game on a player that you don't even trust's word?
I 100% agree and maintain that a lynch on Simon is preferable to a lynch on Nutella, just as it was preferable to a lynch on Dunya.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:52 am I figure I'll put it out there that I'm only here until a few hours before EoD. If you've got any beef with, speak now or forever hold your peace.
I'd vote either nutella or Simon. I'd say that I'm leaning more towards nutella because TSP seemed confident in his scum read, plus his flip. Quite likely it's a claim based on information.
Where on Earth are you getting this idea?lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:06 pm You guys don't actually think Simon's is bad, youre voting him off because he's inactive, there's no real evidence that he's mafia, the real evidence is in nutella.
Tony was very adamant in nutella being bad.
But I feel like I'm talking to myself now & nobody's listening so ...rip....
Why would you be dead by tomorrow. You're being townread by like half the game. Glor, LC and Quin are being townread by everybody and I should be being townread by everybody.lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:36 pmHmmmmmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:34 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 am So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).
Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85
But
Say theyr both bad yeah?
If.we lynch simon today I'll be dead by tomorrow tbh
Especially from Lap, who didn't answer why she thought Simon was town when asked directly.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:37 pm I can understand the nutella votes. Tony's flip implicates her significantly. Okay.
I do think however that anyone who does not want to lynch Simon or otherwise prefers some other option should say why they feel that way. I can understand Jack's frustration on the grounds that as far as I can tell, nobody actually trusts Simon. So why not lynch him? State it clearly. The silence on the matter is bizarre.
Shes not gonna flip town, I trust tony on this. His source of infomatiom on nutella was very positive about it, & we should follow him as he was jade
I don't think we should right now.. ya he may be bad but for me i dont wanna risk the chances like how i did with dunya's lynch, the proof for nutella is clear, not so clear with simom imo. I think we should wait & find out after nutella, i figured simon is just bad at playing the game until you showed me tonys percentage on him & nutella, took that into consideration, BUT tonys death wanted nutella lynched after him so that's why I'm holding onto that right now, if he was to say the same about simon then ya itd make most sense. however it's better if we lynch an active player over an inactive imo.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:37 pm I can understand the nutella votes. Tony's flip implicates her significantly. Okay.
I do think however that anyone who does not want to lynch Simon or otherwise prefers some other option should say why they feel that way. I can understand Jack's frustration on the grounds that as far as I can tell, nobody actually trusts Simon. So why not lynch him? State it clearly. The silence on the matter is bizarre.
why would I want to lynch bad if I'm bad? I'm following what tony has said that we should lynch Nutella after he dies & that's what the goal is here.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:45 pmWhy would you be dead by tomorrow. You're being townread by like half the game. Glor, LC and Quin are being townread by everybody and I should be being townread by everybody.lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:36 pmHmmmmmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:34 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 am So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).
Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85
But
Say theyr both bad yeah?
If.we lynch simon today I'll be dead by tomorrow tbh
The more you push Nutella, the more I worry you're bad and Nutella is good.
If you're good, worry about Nutella tomorrow. Trust Tony, who said Simon was more likely to be bad than Nutella.
He said this?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:45 pmWhy would you be dead by tomorrow. You're being townread by like half the game. Glor, LC and Quin are being townread by everybody and I should be being townread by everybody.lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:36 pmHmmmmmJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:34 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 am So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).
Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85
But
Say theyr both bad yeah?
If.we lynch simon today I'll be dead by tomorrow tbh
The more you push Nutella, the more I worry you're bad and Nutella is good.
If you're good, worry about Nutella tomorrow. Trust Tony, who said Simon was more likely to be bad than Nutella.
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His high percentage is because simon saved the train im assuming, but it doesn't say he's as certain hes bad like how he was certain with nutella somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this with more information from tony.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 am So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).
Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85
JJJ 60
Quin 35
Eloh 35
Wilgy 30
Dave / Dom 29
Nova 25
Lap 25
Made 20
Speedchuck 15
Long Con 15
Kyle 10
JOH 10
Marmot 10
Glor 1
@linki
Dunya and Simon in lynch contention, Simon saved by a weird third train and too many people voting Dunya.
And if the latter is correct, then Jack is bad too? Just clarifying your thoughts.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:08 pmI think MacDougall's theory that Jack was bussing Simon was merited enough that one of two scenarios is true:
~ Jack knows something about Simon via honest means, and it's more conclusive than a blocked kill.
~ Jack is bussing Simon.
If the former is true, that's a good lead on Simon being mafia. If the latter is true, Simon is definitely mafia.
I think this is pretty hilarious. And I know I haven't been around, but I agree that Simon could be bad. It's a little bit gut, a little bit lack of play, but mostly it was his random vote. He voted for lap, and said it was random. Why would he voting randomly at this point? I know he is 10, but still.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:30 pmCause the goal of the game is to lynch the mafia before the kill all the townies.
I don't like when people throw around words like "certain" in mafia. This makes me think you are bad.
oo, yes, good question.
I want to hear more about this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm One thing that is blindingly clear:
If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.
Do you have an answer for it?Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:37 pmoo, yes, good question.
There is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It's nonsense. One is forced to invoke the most intense of WIFOM to turn that into a reality, and I think that'd be quite weak.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:37 pmI want to hear more about this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm One thing that is blindingly clear:
If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.
Of course! The answer is yes. Nothing is *certain* unless you are mafia. Then, the only thing you can *know* is who is and is not your teammate.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:38 pmDo you have an answer for it?Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:37 pmoo, yes, good question.
but nothing is certain. You are not in Lap's brain. She could be Simon's teammate and defending the hel out of him because he has a VERY useful role.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:41 pmThere is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It's nonsense. One is forced to invoke the most intense of WIFOM to turn that into a reality, and I think that'd be quite weak.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:37 pmI want to hear more about this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm One thing that is blindingly clear:
If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.
Mafia members are more likely to be eager to bus their single-digit posting teammate than protect him at all costs. Civilians tend to be clueless about this kind of thing and will by their very nature surround the defender post-mafia-flip with foam dribbling from their mouths waiting to pounce. Simons teammates know that.
The only alternative to consider would be: this is LyLo right now, nutella is a civilian, and lapluie is going for the win. I find that highly unlikely given the numbers.
No role is so great that it's worth exposing 40% of a mafia team to save.
wrongElohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:43 pmOf course! The answer is yes. Nothing is *certain* unless you are mafia. Then, the only thing you can *know* is who is and is not your teammate.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:38 pmDo you have an answer for it?Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:37 pmoo, yes, good question.
There is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It wierds me out.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:41 pmThere is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It's nonsense. One is forced to invoke the most intense of WIFOM to turn that into a reality, and I think that'd be quite weak.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:37 pmI want to hear more about this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm One thing that is blindingly clear:
If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.
Mafia members are more likely to be eager to bus their single-digit posting teammate than protect him at all costs. Civilians tend to be clueless about this kind of thing and will by their very nature surround the defender post-mafia-flip with foam dribbling from their mouths waiting to pounce. Simons teammates know that.
The only alternative to consider would be: this is LyLo right now, nutella is a civilian, and lapluie is going for the win. I find that highly unlikely given the numbers.
I was all for lynching simon a few days ago tbh, there's no reason for me not to at the time? For now I'm afraid if we lynch simon it'll be a mishap that happend to dunya & she flipped civilian, I don't wanna take those chances.Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:44 pmbut nothing is certain. You are not in Lap's brain. She could be Simon's teammate and defending the hel out of him because he has a VERY useful role.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:41 pmThere is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It's nonsense. One is forced to invoke the most intense of WIFOM to turn that into a reality, and I think that'd be quite weak.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:37 pmI want to hear more about this.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:11 pm One thing that is blindingly clear:
If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.
Mafia members are more likely to be eager to bus their single-digit posting teammate than protect him at all costs. Civilians tend to be clueless about this kind of thing and will by their very nature surround the defender post-mafia-flip with foam dribbling from their mouths waiting to pounce. Simons teammates know that.
The only alternative to consider would be: this is LyLo right now, nutella is a civilian, and lapluie is going for the win. I find that highly unlikely given the numbers.
He's always been on the chopping bloc because he's just looking sus to eveyone for inactivity, somebody tell me one post hes made that he's made it seem like he's mafia???.is there any???JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:50 pm @lapluie, can you explain why you feel Simon is a civilian?
I think it's fair to believe that Tony wanted nutella lynched more than Simon despite his percentages. I'd even agree with that.lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:01 pmHe's always been on the chopping bloc because he's just looking sus to eveyone for inactivity, somebody tell me one post hes made that he's made it seem like he's mafia???.is there any???JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:50 pm lapluie, can you explain why you feel Simon is a civilian?
Maybe he is just bad at playing the game & doesn't care for what his role is so he chooses to not to participate much. The dude has only 9 posts.
From what tony has provided us on his posts hes not 100% certain about simon like he is for nutella. Correct me if I'm wrong. The percentage chart indicated how Simon followed a train lynch but I don't remember who it was.
Tony insisted we lynch Nutella after his death, he didn't say simon at the time so that alone makes me think tony was unsure about simon. & we dnot wanna repeat a lynch with little to no information & end up losing.
