The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:42 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:27 pm Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.
When did you become sure of Owner's guiltiness?

I'm not going to answer any more of your questions, sorry. You will have to either take my word for it, or not. Your choice.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:43 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:27 pm Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.

Really unlikely that owner doesn't give out fruit or whatever other flavored gift

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:43 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:27 pm Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.
Did you read nanook's mech post to me? I would've agreed with you an hour ago but now you look wilfully ignorant.

Though I'm still kinda down for owner being scum regardless.

Yes I did read it, and it doesn't change anything. I promise.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:43 pm**

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:01 am Oh fuck that stupid emoticon

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:03 am > X D

Or

> X D

Magic.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:44 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:43 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:27 pm Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.
Did you read nanook's mech post to me? I would've agreed with you an hour ago but now you look wilfully ignorant.

Though I'm still kinda down for owner being scum regardless.
Yes I did read it, and it doesn't change anything. I promise.

big motherfucking sigh

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:44 pm**

Also

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:49 pm Looks like these three have not posted since the fruit claim:

Alison
Made
Martin

Also technically possible Belzy could have done so but didn't think to before blasting Tangy.

Would have a lol if it's poison fruit and Alison is the target.

I haven't received a fruit if that's what you're asking.

Or anything really. I don't think the poison or most roles are directly flavor-related though, my role is pretty basic/normal in how it was named and described.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:44 pm**

I have zero opposition to killing Owner. I pointed out that a lot of nutella's interactions with Owner yesterday were W/W and I strongly believe that they were teamed, Owner has claimed a fruit vendor with nobody receiving a fruit, and Seanzie is softing some kind of investigative on Owner that proves them to be lying.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:45 pm**

Owner is just scummy as fuck in a vacuum aside from all the fruit vendor stuff and was in most people's bottom POE anyway.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:46 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:30 am Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.
I see you are repping a rolecop on Owner.

If he is should probably claim that

Tho I guess he probably doesn't have to atp

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:46 pm**

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:23 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:51 am By the way if there's a poison healer out there they should heal Alison.
I just saw this and realized if wolves poisoned Alison that's a pretty weird choice to poison someone on nutella's wagon, they must like not be worried about a healer at all.

Poison can't be stopped by a doctor, it can only be healed retroactively by a poison healer. I'm guessing anyone with the poison has methods to suppress or limit the poison healer, because otherwise it's a pointless mechanic.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:49 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:30 am Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.
I see you are repping a rolecop on Owner.
If he is should probably claim that

Tho I guess he probably doesn't have to atp

Seanzie is pretty blatantly claiming that he knows for a fact Owner is lying about the fruit vendor stuff.

The exact way he knows it - rolecop, he's a fruit vendor himself, some kind of advanced tracker ability that knows she wasn't roleblocked - isn't as important and disclosing the specifics probably helps mafia.

But essentially Seanzie has a red check.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:50 pm**

it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:51 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:49 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:30 am Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.
I see you are repping a rolecop on Owner.
If he is should probably claim that

Tho I guess he probably doesn't have to atp
Seanzie is pretty blatantly claiming that he knows for a fact Owner is lying about the fruit vendor stuff.

The exact way he knows it - rolecop, he's a fruit vendor himself, some kind of advanced tracker ability that knows she wasn't roleblocked - isn't as important and disclosing the specifics probably helps mafia.

But essentially Seanzie has a red check.

BIG IF TRUE

I LIKE IT

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:51 pm**

What's going on gang?

Looks like we're talking some

M E C H A N I C S

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:51 pm**

If I had to guess Owner is mafia fruit vendor that dispenses fruit that looks normal but ends up being harmful to you later on. This fruit was stopped by a protective ability that blocks harmful effects, which is why JJJ didn't get it. It also explains why there was a party at JJJ's house last night according to LoMo the watcher.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:52 pm**

This all seems simple to me.

I don't give one good cot damn about the fruit vendor claim. If it's a lie she's mafia. If it's true she can still be mafia. Especially if there are two+ gift giving roles in the game, that on its own power means giving gifts is irrelevant to alignment on its own power.

So interpret Owner for Owner's play. The end.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:53 pm**

on its own power on its own power

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:54 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:01 am The conversation feels rather like a nitpick between two high “equity” suspects on a mafia team that probably has negative twelve confidence right now.

I agree. Owner and hawk can easily both be wolves. Gavial is repping a level of mech confidence on hawk that goes beyond "I roleblocked him and there was no kill". Likely something hawk claimed about his movements doesn't match with Gavial's investigative results.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:55 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:52 pm This all seems simple to me.

I don't give one good cot damn about the fruit vendor claim. If it's a lie she's mafia. If it's true she can still be mafia. Especially if there are two+ gift giving roles in the game, that on its own power means giving gifts is irrelevant to alignment on its own power.

So interpret Owner for Owner's play. The end.

As I've been saying since D1 in a vacuum Owner is still scummy. I said Owner was wolves with nutella before we got a single piece of mechanical info.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:56 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:51 pm What's going on gang?

Looks like we're talking some

M E C H A N I C S

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:56 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:58 pm If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.

Hello there TSP, welcome to the Congress of Vienna.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:57 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:01 am The conversation feels rather like a nitpick between two high “equity” suspects on a mafia team that probably has negative twelve confidence right now.
I agree. Owner and hawk can easily both be wolves. Gavial is repping a level of mech confidence on hawk that goes beyond "I roleblocked him and there was no kill". Likely something hawk claimed about his movements doesn't match with Gavial's investigative results.

Seanzie mech > Gavial mech all day

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:57 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:19 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:58 pm If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:16 pm Roses are red
Violets are blue
Blood is also red
Spilling out of you

@Belzy has died!

Spoiler: show
She was a Town 1-Shot Desperado

The day continues. Please do not vote for Belzy. Any vote for Belzy in the poll at the end of the day will be considered an unvote.
"Desperado" is a vigilante role that dies if it targets a civilian, to those who've not seen it before. Belzy told us she was targeting Tangy. Belzy died. Tangy is mechanically confirmed as not mafia.

Ha I told you Belzy was town.

My reads this game have been great.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:57 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:52 pm This all seems simple to me.

I don't give one good cot damn about the fruit vendor claim. If it's a lie she's mafia. If it's true she can still be mafia. Especially if there are two+ gift giving roles in the game, that on its own power means giving gifts is irrelevant to alignment on its own power.

So interpret Owner for Owner's play. The end.
As I've been saying since D1 in a vacuum Owner is still scummy. I said Owner was wolves with nutella before we got a single piece of mechanical info.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:57 pm**

Well apart from my Tangy read.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:58 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:57 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:01 am The conversation feels rather like a nitpick between two high “equity” suspects on a mafia team that probably has negative twelve confidence right now.
I agree. Owner and hawk can easily both be wolves. Gavial is repping a level of mech confidence on hawk that goes beyond "I roleblocked him and there was no kill". Likely something hawk claimed about his movements doesn't match with Gavial's investigative results.
Seanzie mech > Gavial mech all day

Yes because I don't put it past Gavial to grief us.

However the fact remains that we essentially have two claimed red checks and an IC in the game and we exed a wolf D1 so unless there is some serious shenanigans afoot we probably are going to win.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:59 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:56 pm [picture]

Might spam a smaller version of this any time I am annoyed by mechanics.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:59 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:49 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:30 am Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.
I see you are repping a rolecop on Owner.
If he is should probably claim that

Tho I guess he probably doesn't have to atp
Seanzie is pretty blatantly claiming that he knows for a fact Owner is lying about the fruit vendor stuff.

The exact way he knows it - rolecop, he's a fruit vendor himself, some kind of advanced tracker ability that knows she wasn't roleblocked - isn't as important and disclosing the specifics probably helps mafia.

But essentially Seanzie has a red check.

I don't think this is necessarily true but ok

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 7:59 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:08 pm Anyone:

Without looking, tell me an Actvscenei read other than “Dana is mafia”.

I can't.

Okay maybe I should put Act under more scrutiny.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:00 pm**

What do you think is the alternative nook?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:00 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:57 pm Well apart from my Tangy read.

The key to success in mafia is making people forget about your bad reads.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:00 pm**

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:10 pm That was... a really something use of a shot, like this is why you don't hero shot IMO. But you know, I don't want the thread to spend time criticizing Belzy, there is still a whole scum team to find, and... I wouldn't want to tell anyone how to play. Just, something to consider for future role usage here.

It was certainly strange to have two red checks on the table and shoot outside of them, but I'm happy clearing you since you were in my POE.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:01 pm**

With all respect to our good friend Belzy, I'm glad to have her slot resolved.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:02 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:50 pm it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way

You should come play with us again some time

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:03 pm**

Somebody asked about sonny and despite playing more games with him than anyone else in this thread, he's an impossible read for me

that said I'm feeling a lack of oomph for d2!sonny, hopefully we get more soon

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:03 pm**

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:17 pm Nothing irritates me more than people who won’t read between the lines and assume all I’m doing is putting a vote down. Yup. I suspect Dana. My vote is still there I don’t suspect anymore right now more than I suspect Dana. No one else other than Guillotine has questioned Dana (I think? Correct me if I’m wrong), and so that tells me I may need to step back from this a bit and reassess. But until anything else strikes more me, my vote stays there.

People like to read me for meta because I’m a bit of a crazy person in mafia, but my meta is all over the place especially since returning, and I invite anyone to read through my past games on MafC to get a more informed idea of my play style. I wary of claims like Seanzie’s in which he declared my meta as the main reason for suspecting me and then cited playing in current games with me. If he was paying attention to my game play as much as he’s suggesting he has (so far as to read me for it), then he’d know better than to think I have any consistent meta. Lost Monkey and Owner have also contributed to reads on me based on Meta. LoMo is mostly sheeping those reads from Seanzie though (maybe a couple sprinkles are his own). Owner is reading me on meta saying this isn’t my scum meta. I imagine they aren’t all scum, but they all know better. Is Owner trying to pacify me? While Seanzie and LoMo are shading me? Idk, but I know they know my meta is NOT a reliable source of reading me. However, it is the easiest way to shade me because half the players here (maybe a little more than half?) don’t know me and may not have the energy to check out if it’s reliable information. I get it, some people naturally play with meta in mind, but I think it’s the easiest crutch for scum, especially in a game where many people can’t verify.

Anyway, that’s my meta gripe. Other than that, those touting I’ve done nothing but suspect Dana are simply not reading my posts. I question people, and those questions are motivated to move the game in a way that helps me figure stuff out. Belzy’s flip does change some ideas of mine, and it does relieve some of my suspicion on Dana. That said, Owner’s responses to my questions did not satisfy me, and her meta read on me has me like . I’m looking at this push on Owner though, and I’m not sure I like Seanzie here. His meta read on me and refusal to back up his statements sat uncomfortably with me. That’s sort of informing my opinion on this yeet push right now.

Jay insists I’m doing nothing but suspecting Dana and that my interaction with Nutella firms me up as scum. From the looks of it, I suspect Jay is able to read quite well between the lines, and so I’d imagine then that could see what I was doing aside from just voting for Dana. ISOs, and whatever this interactives thing is don’t impress me. Anyone can sit there and collect quotes and analyze them and arrive at varying interpretations. This is literally what I do with my students on a daily basis, and I know very well how easy it is for scum to put in the effort to collect all this data and present findings that appear like town musings. What this does though is more scum motivated than town motivate (I KNOW very few agree with that). But scum can be very influential in this way and manipulate town. Town sees the work, reads the work as being town motivated (because look at all that work!) and then takes those words at higher value. Now scum can convince the players to vote in the direction they choose. I’m not at a point to say Jay is scum for it, but he’s definitely not town for it.

Dana’s expanded reads list paired with the other posts she’s had have me leaning scum on her. Which I’ve explained. Don’t want me talking about Dana, don’t question me on why my vote is still there. Maybe Dana is town and I’ve got it wrong. I’m not out here yelling at you all to vote Dana. What is my motive as scum to keep my vote there? At EoD1, people asked me to move my vote off Dana and onto one of the wagons. Idk which tbh. And I didn’t. I was under a microscope at some point last day phase for suspecting Dana...what is my scum motive for throwing that spotlight back on myself?

Sonny knows my play and has been a voice of reason for me in the past as town. He’s not doing that this game. So if we’re playing with meta, there’s that. I don’t feel great about Sonny, but it’s not a read I’m confident with.

That’s where I’m at currently.

I change my mind, Act probably doesn't write this as scum.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:04 pm**

Act is like a town lean for me right now. I'm not disrespecting her enough to lock her town for it.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:04 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:02 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:50 pm it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way
You should come play with us again some time

I will eventually, I'm at work again so most friday nights I'm working or getting drunk to celebrate not working

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:05 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:03 pm Somebody asked about sonny and despite playing more games with him than anyone else in this thread, he's an impossible read for me

that said I'm feeling a lack of oomph for d2!sonny, hopefully we get more soon

Yes he's been a bit of a floater today -- not lacking in presence, but subdued.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:05 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:28 pm I'm gonna have the last laugh when you realize I'm not memeing

Do you really have a green on hawk?

Well I trust nanook mech way more than Gavial mech

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:07 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:28 pm I'm gonna have the last laugh when you realize I'm not memeing
Do you really have a green on hawk?

Well I trust nanook mech way more than Gavial mech

Pretty sure he rescinded shortly afterwards.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:07 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:28 pm I'm gonna have the last laugh when you realize I'm not memeing
Do you really have a green on hawk?

Well I trust nanook mech way more than Gavial mech

just catch up first lol

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:07 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:05 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:03 pm Somebody asked about sonny and despite playing more games with him than anyone else in this thread, he's an impossible read for me

that said I'm feeling a lack of oomph for d2!sonny, hopefully we get more soon
Yes he's been a bit of a floater today -- not lacking in presence, but subdued.

He hasn't randed scum in forever, but always likes to tell us how reserved and unsure he would be if it happened. So there's potential.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:07 pm**

I forgot to mention that every PerC player in the game has vouched for Owner being in her scum meta.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:10 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:05 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:03 pm Somebody asked about sonny and despite playing more games with him than anyone else in this thread, he's an impossible read for me

that said I'm feeling a lack of oomph for d2!sonny, hopefully we get more soon
Yes he's been a bit of a floater today -- not lacking in presence, but subdued.
He hasn't randed scum in forever, but always likes to tell us how reserved and unsure he would be if it happened. So there's potential.

He randed scum in Spank!, the discord game that Nack ran, but he only had to be scum for a day because he accidentally mainchatted when he should have been scumchatting so we had to rerand.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:10 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:01 am The conversation feels rather like a nitpick between two high “equity” suspects on a mafia team that probably has negative twelve confidence right now.
I agree. Owner and hawk can easily both be wolves. Gavial is repping a level of mech confidence on hawk that goes beyond "I roleblocked him and there was no kill". Likely something hawk claimed about his movements doesn't match with Gavial's investigative results.

Thats just seth lol

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:11 pm**

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Act spewed not poisoner.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:11 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:00 pm What do you think is the alternative nook?

It could just be a confident read

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:12 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:02 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:50 pm it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way
You should come play with us again some time
I will eventually, I'm at work again so most friday nights I'm working or getting drunk to celebrate not working

What about a Sunday night

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 8:13 pm**

I would be surprised if Seanzie is a role cop. That's among the strongest possible town roles. Who knows. Whatever it is, it's apparent Seanzie's suspicion is driven at least in part by mechanics.

On its own that wouldn't move me much. But Owner is playing Day 2 like mafia.

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