The Syndicate

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:43 am I believe getting this reaction out of everyone is more valuable than having a double voter. All I am asking is that you consider that. You are right, I don't have experience here. I don't. That's valid and you are correct. What I do have is a vast wealth of experience deep wolfing. I have come back from down 11 v 1 before. I promise I am not trying to invalidate your read, I promise, but there is a value at times to having an outside perspective. You don't have to listen to me, I just see everyone else's games as less wolfy.

This isn't coming from a place of ego, just so you know... I've got a fair amount of experience myself lol. So it's not just predicated on meta, albeit Nanook is the player in this game I have played the most mafia with by a long way. I wouldn't say my read on him is reliable straight up because he's fooled me before, but killing Axe there needlessly exposes him and I'm the only person that'd even make the read he'd hypothetically be looking for.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:46 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:43 am I believe getting this reaction out of everyone is more valuable than having a double voter. All I am asking is that you consider that. You are right, I don't have experience here. I don't. That's valid and you are correct. What I do have is a vast wealth of experience deep wolfing. I have come back from down 11 v 1 before. I promise I am not trying to invalidate your read, I promise, but there is a value at times to having an outside perspective. You don't have to listen to me, I just see everyone else's games as less wolfy.

This isn't coming from a place of ego, just so you know... I've got a fair amount of experience myself lol. So it's not just predicated on meta, albeit Nanook is the player in this game I have played the most mafia with by a long way. I wouldn't say my read on him is reliable straight up because he's fooled me before, but killing Axe there needlessly exposes him and I'm the only person that'd even make the read he'd hypothetically be looking for.

Of course I don't doubt that.

Less spicy take is nook is just wrong about wilgy and certainly possible. Let me read over their day 1 a bit.

Actually given my game it is more on brand that it's just wilgy because every time I try to think too hard I defend a wolf so

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:41 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:37 pm Did someone say it was time for a wolfy pop in

I have an exceedingly hard time seeing Nanook as town here. Wish I could claim to have had a correct on him before (tops once).
I give it higher odds that the Porscha wagon of Achro, Dizzy, me is pure (duh) compared to the matt wagon with Nanook initiating clutch position #3 for the case that Porscha is mafia.

I was on Tommy before porscha was a real wagon iirc

His Tommy vote was a naked one. Hm. Pretty slow day one from nook.

Nanook is intentionally obtuse as either alignment. He purposely hides his mindset for tactical reasons. He's never the tryhard who pushes people. He sheeps. He surprise votes. He occasionally reaction tests. He does this as either alignment. If he creates pro town outcomes he is town. If he and his cronies are alive and town are losing he is often not.

He has been nothing but beneficial to town and cannot be today's chop. He can be your legacy sure that's your prerogative lol.

I never said anything about being today's chop for nook. I am not quite so optimistic.

Generally if his sheep and ambush tactics aren't leading to positive results and he is town he will get more actively involved in the pursuit. But they are working so he is entirely content with doing the bare minimum.

It's all just town Nook.

Hmm. I would like to hear what you have to say beyond me if you have time. I get what you arw saying about nook. Who is next after me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:42 am @Achromatic - kills Mac
@DrWilgy - kills Mac
@Dyslexicon - kills Mac
@EnderWiggin - kills Mac
@lucy - kills Mac
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - kills ?
@RondoDimBuckle - kills Mac
@sabiplz - kills Mac
@Seanzie - kills ?
@Stupid Sexy Flanders - kills Mac
@Vivax - kills Axe

interesting thought experiment tbh

why do I kill you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:44 am I received a question that I will answer publicly. Paraphrased:

Are the mafia team permitted to target the same player for a night kill on consecutive nights?

Yes.

what about the doctor?

You didnt say not to interact with this post hehehe

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:24 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:08 pm

You're being ignored for good reason btw.

because I used to town read you?

No because your reads are atrocious because Nanook is the most townspewed player in the game and I know my alignment.

Or because my reads are atrocious because I am town reading you so you keep me alive to keep shielding you

Also if my reads are atrocious porcha doesnt go over last night. It ends in a tie or Ender. This just looks bad

I am talking about the reads that are quoted Rondo. Not your reads in general. Ffs.

So you come into day 3 knowing that town core is poisoned and you have to offer up a sacrifice. Achro is the obvious target. I get you are in a hard spot here but how long do you think you can survive before town turns on you?

... How is Achro towncore.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:17 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:24 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm

because I used to town read you?

No because your reads are atrocious because Nanook is the most townspewed player in the game and I know my alignment.

Or because my reads are atrocious because I am town reading you so you keep me alive to keep shielding you

Also if my reads are atrocious porcha doesnt go over last night. It ends in a tie or Ender. This just looks bad

I am talking about the reads that are quoted Rondo. Not your reads in general. Ffs.

So you come into day 3 knowing that town core is poisoned and you have to offer up a sacrifice. Achro is the obvious target. I get you are in a hard spot here but how long do you think you can survive before town turns on you?

... How is Achro towncore.

correction "Town Leaders" to borrow a phrase from Porcha, she claimed Mac was "Town Leader" because of his level of ability to place himself in a position of dictating what is going to happen. Achro tries to do that as well to various success

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:42 am @Achromatic - kills Mac
@DrWilgy - kills Mac
@Dyslexicon - kills Mac
@EnderWiggin - kills Mac
@lucy - kills Mac
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - kills ?
@RondoDimBuckle - kills Mac
@sabiplz - kills Mac
@Seanzie - kills ?
@Stupid Sexy Flanders - kills Mac
@Vivax - kills Axe

interesting thought experiment tbh

why do I kill you?

you don't kill me?

Sorry JJJ

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:22 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:42 am @Achromatic - kills Mac
@DrWilgy - kills Mac
@Dyslexicon - kills Mac
@EnderWiggin - kills Mac
@lucy - kills Mac
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - kills ?
@RondoDimBuckle - kills Mac
@sabiplz - kills Mac
@Seanzie - kills ?
@Stupid Sexy Flanders - kills Mac
@Vivax - kills Axe

interesting thought experiment tbh

why do I kill you?

you don't kill me?

You have me townlocked in all but name yesterday EOD I easily kill someone who is more suspicious of me like Vivex

or Axe?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:13 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:01 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:11 am Rondo is still in wolfish meta enough I'd be okay with him going over. But I'd prefer Porscha or another of my POE first tbh

Does this clear me now?

I dunno, am I cleared for voting her?

Idk can you read my posts?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:25 amor Axe?

Nah Axe loves me

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:25 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:13 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:01 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:11 am Rondo is still in wolfish meta enough I'd be okay with him going over. But I'd prefer Porscha or another of my POE first tbh

Does this clear me now?

I dunno, am I cleared for voting her?

Idk can you read my posts?

yeah I saw it later

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:50 pm Why do people get so naggy at me doing the mac ego schtick lol. Have you all not cottoned on that the mafia god thing is just a persona?

I see nothink!

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:54 pm @EnderWiggin review game state pls

Gamestate is pretty good if you ask me guv.

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Now just to convince everyone else. I feel like I am going to need some anime hype music for this lol x)

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:07 pm Is Rondo sipping the Kool Aide

Always.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:14 pm Rondo I rather we policy achro and if he flips V then reassess

Or we could vote the wolf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:15 pm I am actually so town I am a city. A small country city with one rail station. The only way in and out. But a city nonetheless.

Only one rail station? Ew

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:01 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:11 am Rondo is still in wolfish meta enough I'd be okay with him going over. But I'd prefer Porscha or another of my POE first tbh

Does this clear me now?

This clears ender now.

Also friendly reminder that the "POE" also included Tommy.

But let's say I am wrong. Nook is town and correctly shielding wilgy for the benefit of everything. Who would be the person I am most wrongly clearing?

My first thought is lucy due to lack of wim but she has had so many town trains of thought and just really clear direction. Maybe she is an iso I point out a lot. But yeahaybe wolf buddy Tommy walked out on her and she is bummed but being a trooper. It also fits that I don't know her range at all I just see a lot of positive things here. From a purely solving stand point she doesn't have a ton going for her. So possible tinfoil but it feels way more like a stretch. Bug also I don't know how nook power wolves and I have to account for that.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:35 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:01 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:11 am Rondo is still in wolfish meta enough I'd be okay with him going over. But I'd prefer Porscha or another of my POE first tbh

Does this clear me now?

This clears ender now.

Also friendly reminder that the "POE" also included Tommy.

Yup I remember.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:42 am @Achromatic - kills Mac
@DrWilgy - kills Mac
@Dyslexicon - kills Mac
@EnderWiggin - kills Mac
@lucy - kills Mac
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - kills ?
@RondoDimBuckle - kills Mac
@sabiplz - kills Mac
@Seanzie - kills ?
@Stupid Sexy Flanders - kills Mac
@Vivax - kills Axe

interesting thought experiment tbh

Nah I'd kill Achro, assuming he's not mafia.

Flanders lifts me up tbh

Good, I never aim to be a downer

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:40 am @Seanzie @EnderWiggin can you ever see nanook killing axe last night?

Hm.

Probably no.

Nook doesn't leave cleared Ender alive over cleared NAA, and I'm probably beneath Mac or something on the list of good kills for wolf Nook.

The way vivax cut into porscha with such viciousness and the response would be incredible considering he scum read ender a lot this game. The approach, the angle of attack, its just absurd how hard they went. People dissed their Tommy defense day 1 but it was pushing hard on porscha and showing no mercy. I can't at any point make a tinfoil case for this the complete burial of porsca both days is complete and towny.

Alao Mac was doc saved

Sneaking in Mac into this post just to save time

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:42 am @Achromatic - kills Mac
@DrWilgy - kills Mac
@Dyslexicon - kills Mac
@EnderWiggin - kills Mac
@lucy - kills Mac
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - kills ?
@RondoDimBuckle - kills Mac
@sabiplz - kills Mac
@Seanzie - kills ?
@Stupid Sexy Flanders - kills Mac
@Vivax - kills Axe

interesting thought experiment tbh

No.

I kill Nook.

Because Nanook actively could come into today finding deepwolf!Ender and there's no one else I am as afraid of doing that as him.

Honestly I think Wilgy is just the way to win this game.

We have a lucy promise of a lifetime that rondo is confirmed. Now only that but to be real if rondo is wolf after today I would gladly welcome losing to him because this shit has been amazingly fucking funny.

But no wolf equity yeah.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:44 am Honestly I think Wilgy is just the way to win this game.

Nook's shield being wrong would be simplest yes.

But if it is not wilgy or say tinfoil Mac whose third for you?

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:45 am We have a lucy promise of a lifetime that rondo is confirmed. Now only that but to be real if rondo is wolf after today I would gladly welcome losing to him because this shit has been amazingly fucking funny.

But no wolf equity yeah.

As the number 1 Rondo expert:

I do not think Rondo is scum ever here.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:45 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:44 am Honestly I think Wilgy is just the way to win this game.

Nook's shield being wrong would be simplest yes.

But if it is not wilgy or say tinfoil Mac whose third for you?

I wouldn't tinfoil Mac.

Tbh my current thoughts are in a mix of Wilgy > Lucy > Work out where I went wrong with my life and end up 6 bottles deep.

Yeah lucy has opened herself up to questions now due to a lack of anything even though I don't want to really believe it.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:06 am Hm hm hm. Let's talk nook victory path. 12 alive. Can't account for doc so I will just assume one of my town reads is doc.

Rip achro
11
Bye Mac
10
I point to Dizzy today because I am dumb and nook totes honors my legacy
9
Rip vivax
8
Nook continues to hard shield wilgy, finishes his poe at Flanders lynch
7
Rip rondo

Leaves

Ender
Lucy
Sabi
Nook
Wilgy
Seanzie

Lynch lucy. Kill ender. Nl. Kill seanzie.
Final 3 of nook vs wilgy vs sabi

Votes fit. Poe to open today fits.

Updated with possible nook vs wilgy vs sabi

Would be nice if nook is doctor or something so I can die in peace lol

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:45 am We have a lucy promise of a lifetime that rondo is confirmed. Now only that but to be real if rondo is wolf after today I would gladly welcome losing to him because this shit has been amazingly fucking funny.

But no wolf equity yeah.

wouldnt be the first time

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:50 am Yeah lucy has opened herself up to questions now due to a lack of anything even though I don't want to really believe it.

what's the point lol, one left, thus I have to sole read someone which has no method, but it's gained through live chat

The sick thing I feel like if we ever lynch wilgy first over nook it just gives possible scum nook more foothold to show how right they have been. I feel like it is always best to believe that shield 100% and wilgy is always v here even though it feels paradoxical. Like wilgy as w shouldn't be able to fool a v nook so either he is v because nook is right or he is v because nook is wolf.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:00 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:50 am Yeah lucy has opened herself up to questions now due to a lack of anything even though I don't want to really believe it.

what's the point lol, one left, thus I have to sole read someone which has no method, but it's gained through live chat

Got any thoughts for my nanook thoughts?

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:01 am The sick thing I feel like if we ever lynch wilgy first over nook it just gives possible scum nook more foothold to show how right they have been. I feel like it is always best to believe that shield 100% and wilgy is always v here even though it feels paradoxical. Like wilgy as w shouldn't be able to fool a v nook so either he is v because nook is right or he is v because nook is wolf.

Like I feel as if there are worlds where a wolf wilgy has fooled v nook there exist at least an equal amount of worlds where w nook exists here.

This... feels right but is now delving into things a bit.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:01 am The sick thing I feel like if we ever lynch wilgy first over nook it just gives possible scum nook more foothold to show how right they have been. I feel like it is always best to believe that shield 100% and wilgy is always v here even though it feels paradoxical. Like wilgy as w shouldn't be able to fool a v nook so either he is v because nook is right or he is v because nook is wolf.

Nook being fooled by Wilgy is meh and possible.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:08 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:01 am The sick thing I feel like if we ever lynch wilgy first over nook it just gives possible scum nook more foothold to show how right they have been. I feel like it is always best to believe that shield 100% and wilgy is always v here even though it feels paradoxical. Like wilgy as w shouldn't be able to fool a v nook so either he is v because nook is right or he is v because nook is wolf.

Nook being fooled by Wilgy is meh and possible.

Does nooks day 1 and naked vote on Tommy make you think impossible?

Just brain storming mind, hard sell on my hands even after my corpse drips I think lol

I feel like I never want to lynch wilgy today over me. Unfortunately. One of the only valid victory paths I see for potential wolf is wolf nook. I would really much rather get lynched today if I am promised nook goes over tomorrow and then solve from there tbh.