The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Really? We have to do it during the day? OK, I'll do it first thing if I'm alive.

My understanding is the law doesn't work at night, because you gain amnesty the day you claim.

But hey, better safe than sorry. Thanks for joining the anti-amnesty club.

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

Technically, we cannot "all" claim on Day 4 anymore. Some have already claimed Day 3. But I'll pick up your thesis:

Everyone uses his claim Day 4. Cool.
Tell me which are the Cylons.
Tell me how the baddies are hurt, in this instance.

OMG, I just explained this in the post you quoted. I don't know how you can't see it. Unless you are purposely misinterpreting it.

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

Technically, we cannot "all" claim on Day 4 anymore. Some have already claimed Day 3. But I'll pick up your thesis:

Everyone uses his claim Day 4. Cool.
Tell me which are the Cylons.
Tell me how the baddies are hurt, in this instance.

OMG, I just explained this in the post you quoted. I don't know how you can't see it. Unless you are purposely misinterpreting it.

Can you answer my first demand as well, instead of being selective?

But even so:
Everyone claims.
Baddies lose amnesty.
Status quo of normal lynch resumes.

That's fine, but it's just that. We civs gain no advantage.

Ricochet wrote:That's fine, but it's just that. We civs gain no advantage.

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, Long's Con rebuttal to me is practically a scum claim in itself. All he's doing is descrediting and misrepresenting what I'm saying which is scum play 101.

"Discrediting" and "misrepresenting" are two big words that usually mean dick all. I responded to your accusations straight. Have fun in your tunnel, wolf.

Of course they wouldn't mean shit to you since you keep doing it.

You have plenty of suspicion on you already so I shouldn't have too much trouble getting you lynched.

Yup, and you just accused Rico of maybe doing it as well.

And by all means, bring it on.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

I don't find it in the interest of any civilian to fakeclaim during future Day phases just to save their asses, so this scenario is actually better for leaving such pressure only to actual Cylons.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Everyone but the Cylons follow the plan: Then we found our Cylons. I don't expect this result, but it is possible.

Who is "everyone"? If you are supposedly an uninformed civilian, you should have no concept of who "everyone but Cylons" might be. There is no way to distinguish Cylons from humans (or baddies from civilians) simply by assuming that "everyone but Cylons will follow through". I don't find this scenario feasible. Case in point, I am human civilian and don't plan to fake Cylonclaim. What you're proposing sounds almost like a "hey, everyone who is civ say so, the others must be therefore bad". Uh, fat chance.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Everyone follows the plan: We don't learn who the Cylons are, but they are at least easier to lynch.

If everyone follows the plan, we go back to the usual lynch status quo, in which nobody is safe from lynching based on this law. That's about it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: What do we have to lose by using this plan Ricochet? How would it hurt the humans for every player to Cylon-claim?

It would not hurt the humans, but it would not help them bait or distinguish Cylons no more. Besides, we should be respecting da law and I find it that this law was meant to ensnare Cylons, not for us to use it en gros to allow for nothing to be potentially achieved.

Humans don't have amnesty.

Cylons do.



Not following this plan will allow all Cylons to save their amnesty until the moment before they are lynched. Why do you think this is better than no player having amnesty?

Matt wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Really? We have to do it during the day? OK, I'll do it first thing if I'm alive.

My understanding is the law doesn't work at night, because you gain amnesty the day you claim.

But hey, better safe than sorry. Thanks for joining the anti-amnesty club.

She hasn't joined yet. But yes, thank you for going along with the plan, Silvy, come day 4.

Anyway, Marmot...

Why did you say "but that's alright" to Drum after he voted Nero? And why did you vote Nero less then 30 min later?

Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, Long's Con rebuttal to me is practically a scum claim in itself. All he's doing is descrediting and misrepresenting what I'm saying which is scum play 101.

"Discrediting" and "misrepresenting" are two big words that usually mean dick all. I responded to your accusations straight. Have fun in your tunnel, wolf.

Of course they wouldn't mean shit to you since you keep doing it.

You have plenty of suspicion on you already so I shouldn't have too much trouble getting you lynched.

Yup, and you just accused Rico of maybe doing it as well.

And by all means, bring it on.

Um no, I never said that about Rico. I think he's just misunderstanding me at this point. There is a difference between what he is doing and what you are doing. See if you can figure it out.

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, I just explained this in the post you quoted. I don't know how you can't see it. Unless you are purposely misinterpreting it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.

There are several players who can't have amnesty tomorrow, as Matt has highlighted. Lorab is one of them and likely to be lynched.

The point of the plan was to eliminate any of the amnesty existing, not to create a WIFOM world where the Cylons can wreak havoc. We've already agreed that Humans have nothing to lose by abiding. I've pointed out multiple reasons they have something to gain from it. As a result, I can't think of a reason that a human would refuse to follow it. As such, I think it's logical to be suspicious of someone who opposes.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.

There are several players who can't have amnesty tomorrow, as Matt has highlighted. Lorab is one of them and likely to be lynched.

The point of the plan was to eliminate any of the amnesty existing, not to create a WIFOM world where the Cylons can wreak havoc. We've already agreed that Humans have nothing to lose by abiding. I've pointed out multiple reasons they have something to gain from it. As a result, I can't think of a reason that a human would refuse to follow it. As such, I think it's logical to be suspicious of someone who opposes.

Fair point and oversight on my behalf. I rescind my first point.

As for the second, I then propose the following. I shall be the last player to abide. If
no overall claim will be achieved, I still find that the plan will be manipulable.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.

There are several players who can't have amnesty tomorrow, as Matt has highlighted. Lorab is one of them and likely to be lynched.

The point of the plan was to eliminate any of the amnesty existing, not to create a WIFOM world where the Cylons can wreak havoc. We've already agreed that Humans have nothing to lose by abiding. I've pointed out multiple reasons they have something to gain from it. As a result, I can't think of a reason that a human would refuse to follow it. As such, I think it's logical to be suspicious of someone who opposes.

Fair point and oversight on my behalf. I rescind my first point.

As for the second, I then propose the following. I shall be the last player to abide. If
no overall claim will be achieved, I still find that the plan will be manipulable.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.

There are several players who can't have amnesty tomorrow, as Matt has highlighted. Lorab is one of them and likely to be lynched.

The point of the plan was to eliminate any of the amnesty existing, not to create a WIFOM world where the Cylons can wreak havoc. We've already agreed that Humans have nothing to lose by abiding. I've pointed out multiple reasons they have something to gain from it. As a result, I can't think of a reason that a human would refuse to follow it. As such, I think it's logical to be suspicious of someone who opposes.

Fair point and oversight on my behalf. I rescind my first point.

As for the second, I then propose the following. I shall be the last player to abide. If
no overall claim will be achieved, I still find that the plan will be manipulable.

You can go before Epignosis.

ObscureAllure wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Well two things:

If tomorrow is claim day from everyone, all Cylons will have amnesty. Unless we lynch a human that might happen to be bad, a mislynch is virtually guaranteed.

The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.

There are several players who can't have amnesty tomorrow, as Matt has highlighted. Lorab is one of them and likely to be lynched.

The point of the plan was to eliminate any of the amnesty existing, not to create a WIFOM world where the Cylons can wreak havoc. We've already agreed that Humans have nothing to lose by abiding. I've pointed out multiple reasons they have something to gain from it. As a result, I can't think of a reason that a human would refuse to follow it. As such, I think it's logical to be suspicious of someone who opposes.

Fair point and oversight on my behalf. I rescind my first point.

As for the second, I then propose the following. I shall be the last player to abide. If
no overall claim will be achieved, I still find that the plan will be manipulable.

Well there's no way in gatlinburg that I'm posting one tomorrow so ...

Long Con wrote: Um no, I never said that about Rico. I think he's just misunderstanding me at this point. There is a difference between what he is doing and what you are doing. See if you can figure it out.

Silverwolf wrote:OMG, I just explained this in the post you quoted. I don't know how you can't see it. Unless you are purposely misinterpreting it.

ObscureAllure wrote:The last time I made a statement remotely close to that, I spoke in smilies for two days. You out your damn mind. In a game full of triggers for every little thing we do you want me to say that? You don't know my role. You don't know the impact of saying that in other ways. Uh uh. Ain't no way.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

I don't find it in the interest of any civilian to fakeclaim during future Day phases just to save their asses, so this scenario is actually better for leaving such pressure only to actual Cylons.

Matt wrote:I never once said I'd rather lynch you or anyone else before Lorab.

Do you not agree, that by YOU saying you will not do this, it opens up the door for others to come in and say "Yeah I dun wanna get punished either so I dun wanna say it" ?

I don't get how you would get punished for saying "I'm not a Cylon". How is that even punishable in any legit universe?

Silverwolf wrote:Wow, I butchered the hell out of that quote.

Oh well, I think it's clear what I mean.

DrWilgy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

I don't find it in the interest of any civilian to fakeclaim during future Day phases just to save their asses, so this scenario is actually better for leaving such pressure only to actual Cylons.

I disagree. As a human if I can save my ass by fake claiming for 1 phase, that's 1 phase where we can lynch a potential cyclon instead of 100% lynchin a hooman.

Zebrasauce is good this game!

Ricochet wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

I don't find it in the interest of any civilian to fakeclaim during future Day phases just to save their asses, so this scenario is actually better for leaving such pressure only to actual Cylons.

I disagree. As a human if I can save my ass by fake claiming for 1 phase, that's 1 phase where we can lynch a potential cyclon instead of 100% lynchin a hooman.

Zebrasauce is good this game!

Uh no? How does claiming Cylon save your ass, if you are hooman?

Matt wrote:President Roslin, if you're still with us...

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Wow, I butchered the hell out of that quote.

Oh well, I think it's clear what I mean.

What's clear (to anyone who wants to really look) is that you completely avoided engaging with any of my points or questions, and moved right to your tired old schtick of "he's misrepresenting! he's discrediting!" But don't worry, I doubt anyone will bother looking.

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

I don't find it in the interest of any civilian to fakeclaim during future Day phases just to save their asses, so this scenario is actually better for leaving such pressure only to actual Cylons.

I disagree. As a human if I can save my ass by fake claiming for 1 phase, that's 1 phase where we can lynch a potential cyclon instead of 100% lynchin a hooman.

Zebrasauce is good this game!

Uh no? How does claiming Cylon save your ass, if you are hooman?

Lorab claimed it and then, as a result, votes went to Nero. If Lorab is human, then claiming Cylon saved her.

As much as it saves anyone. 72 more hours minimum.

Golden wrote:A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

ObscureAllure wrote:Nah it's easy - everyone but me just make the claim. It relieves the playing field.

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Nobody else (or only a few more) follow the plan: Then we continue the game with several cases of amnesty still in play. With unchangeable votes in the lynchpoll, then I completely agree with SVS. This will just lead to of chaotic lynch after chaotic lynch day-after-day.

I don't find it in the interest of any civilian to fakeclaim during future Day phases just to save their asses, so this scenario is actually better for leaving such pressure only to actual Cylons.

I disagree. As a human if I can save my ass by fake claiming for 1 phase, that's 1 phase where we can lynch a potential cyclon instead of 100% lynchin a hooman.

Zebrasauce is good this game!

Uh no? How does claiming Cylon save your ass, if you are hooman?

Lorab claimed it and then, as a result, votes went to Nero. If Lorab is human, then claiming Cylon saved her.

As much as it saves anyone. 72 more hours minimum.

No no no. I thought the same momentarily, but then MetalMarsh89 pointed something that made me revisit the law.

Golden wrote:A new law has been passed.

Cylon Amnesty Act: Any person may publicly admit to being a cylon and, if the declaration is true, they will have immunity from the lynch for that day. Once a person has outed themselves as a cylon, they cannot do it a second time.

Problem is, didn't Nerolunar getting 9 votes frak up the inference that LoRab's amnesty is a given? They each had 9, right?

Silverwolf wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Wow, I butchered the hell out of that quote.

Oh well, I think it's clear what I mean.

What's clear (to anyone who wants to really look) is that you completely avoided engaging with any of my points or questions, and moved right to your tired old schtick of "he's misrepresenting! he's discrediting!" But don't worry, I doubt anyone will bother looking.

What points? You've made none. You are trying to belittle me and really, if you don't think anyone cares, why are you bothering with me?

Silverwolf wrote:OA, I don't think you will get in trouble for claiming cylon if we all do it. I fail to see how Golden would single you out of all of us.

Silverwolf wrote:Also, if Lorab is a teammate LC didn't vote for him either but put an unexplained vote on Rico. I really believe his behavior and voting this game comes from a baddie mindset.

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

Matt wrote:Rico, for serious?

Did you just not see how this "law" hurt the town yesterday? If such a law never existed, a Cylon would be lynched (and at this point, there's a better chance of Lorab being an evil Cylon then a good one), and the XO of the Battlestar would still be alive!!!

ObscureAllure wrote:So you would put me before LoRab? Before people who have already said it and are cylon mafia like LongCon? I've already proven I'm not Nutella's partner in crime. You want to come after me for refusing to get punished again while ignoring mafia? That's on you. I've already received golden's wrath once this game, y'all done lost your marbles if you think I'm doing it again.

LoRab wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:So you would put me before LoRab? Before people who have already said it and are cylon mafia like LongCon? I've already proven I'm not Nutella's partner in crime. You want to come after me for refusing to get punished again while ignoring mafia? That's on you. I've already received golden's wrath once this game, y'all done lost your marbles if you think I'm doing it again.

If there is more than 1 mafia, then your not being LA's teammate does not mean that you are not bad.