The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'm so sorry I missed the lynch vote. I expected to be able to get on this afternoon. But my uncle died today. And, to further complicate life, it's my cousin's Bar Mitzvah this weekend (said uncle's grandson). So, yeah--life is interesting.

I see the lynch as inconclusive. G-Man said earlier that we cannot infer anything from the language of survival and that it won't necessarily be consistent. So...yeah. I don't have any deeper thoughts at the moment.

I'm sorry for your loss

I do not think G-man said we can't infer anything from his posts. I think he said the opposite of that. All he said was that there won't be any major game mechanic reveals in his host posts like there were in Red vs. Blue, the earlier game I was referencing. After that, though, he confirms that there will be some information passed into the thread from these posts:

G-Man wrote:

Sloonei wrote:While we're on the subject of G-man's posts, I want to bump this post for fear that it's going to get buried:

Sloonei wrote:Something to keep in mind in this game will be G-Man's host posts. In his last game, Red vs. Blue, be made it clear that his story posts were not just there for flavor, but that they included real hints about the game and we were able to peace together some key game mechanics by analyzing them. That is something we should be keeping an eye out for in this game as well. I've not caught anything yet but if anyone else comes up with anything, shout it out.

Red vs. Blue was unique in that it was a closed setup. That allowed me to reference the secret mechanics that only certain roles knew about. In this game, all relevant mechanics are laid bare and there are no secret components to any roles. Night posts are more about flavor now than they were for RvB but there is some info to be gleaned from them. Probably not as much as you're speculating but there are and will be a few nuggets.

And I think the two failed lynches we've just seen reflect exactly that. INH's failed lynch featured a narrative about a lawyer entering a courtroom and persuading the jury not to convict him (Exactly what Silvertongue's role would do). Glorfindel's featured a rigged hanging mechanism and a chaotic survival, exactly what you'd expect from a baddie role that survives a lynch. I was confident INH was saved by Silvertongue, and now I am damn near positive that Glorfindel was one of the two survival roles.

I was actually referring to this post:

G-Man wrote:

LoRab wrote:As I've said, we do not know that failed kills/non-lynches are written differently. I also realize we haven't asked the host. So:

@GMan: In this gme, are failed lynches because a player survives the first kill attempt written differently than a lynch being stopped by silvertongue? Similarly, are failed night kills written the same or differently, based on protection, block, or survival of first death attempt?

I reserve the right to be as specific or vague in each lynch and night post as I choose to be.

Which I think does say that we can't really infer anything.

Anyway, I am way too tired and slightly drunk after a night of Bar Mitzvah-ing, to think through much of anything. While I still have personal doubts about Glorf, I think that's fairly irrelevant at this point, because his lynch seems like a done deal. I do think we should be thinking beyond this lynch, though.

I acknowledge this post you are bringing up. Do you acknowledge that one I brought up?

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:I don't E gen know what to do. My suspects keep getting NKd

Except for Quin. What do you make of that?

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:SNIPPED

You're clinging to this argument that I'm spreading mistruths about you even though you refuse to tell me the advantage in doing so. I retracted my suspicion after you proved me wrong within 5 minutes - to pretend that I wouldn't think so far ahead is frankly, insulting. I have indeed found reasons to suspect you entirely outside of that. Again, you won't respond to them. How exactly am I making my suspicion up when you're the one refusing to acknowledge every thing I say to you? It reeks.

Epignosis wrote:I just thought of something.

Has Glorfindel ever voted for a teammate? I can't recall a time he's ever done that.

So, in looking at the votes, we have MacDougall, no vote, Lorab, INH, indiglo, DrWilgy, Scotty 2.

While that might not be particularly helpful, it does solidify my opinion of Lorab and INH.

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

LoRab wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'm so sorry I missed the lynch vote. I expected to be able to get on this afternoon. But my uncle died today. And, to further complicate life, it's my cousin's Bar Mitzvah this weekend (said uncle's grandson). So, yeah--life is interesting.

I see the lynch as inconclusive. G-Man said earlier that we cannot infer anything from the language of survival and that it won't necessarily be consistent. So...yeah. I don't have any deeper thoughts at the moment.

I'm sorry for your loss

I do not think G-man said we can't infer anything from his posts. I think he said the opposite of that. All he said was that there won't be any major game mechanic reveals in his host posts like there were in Red vs. Blue, the earlier game I was referencing. After that, though, he confirms that there will be some information passed into the thread from these posts:

G-Man wrote:

Sloonei wrote:While we're on the subject of G-man's posts, I want to bump this post for fear that it's going to get buried:

Sloonei wrote:Something to keep in mind in this game will be G-Man's host posts. In his last game, Red vs. Blue, be made it clear that his story posts were not just there for flavor, but that they included real hints about the game and we were able to peace together some key game mechanics by analyzing them. That is something we should be keeping an eye out for in this game as well. I've not caught anything yet but if anyone else comes up with anything, shout it out.

Red vs. Blue was unique in that it was a closed setup. That allowed me to reference the secret mechanics that only certain roles knew about. In this game, all relevant mechanics are laid bare and there are no secret components to any roles. Night posts are more about flavor now than they were for RvB but there is some info to be gleaned from them. Probably not as much as you're speculating but there are and will be a few nuggets.

And I think the two failed lynches we've just seen reflect exactly that. INH's failed lynch featured a narrative about a lawyer entering a courtroom and persuading the jury not to convict him (Exactly what Silvertongue's role would do). Glorfindel's featured a rigged hanging mechanism and a chaotic survival, exactly what you'd expect from a baddie role that survives a lynch. I was confident INH was saved by Silvertongue, and now I am damn near positive that Glorfindel was one of the two survival roles.

I was actually referring to this post:

G-Man wrote:

LoRab wrote:As I've said, we do not know that failed kills/non-lynches are written differently. I also realize we haven't asked the host. So:

@GMan: In this gme, are failed lynches because a player survives the first kill attempt written differently than a lynch being stopped by silvertongue? Similarly, are failed night kills written the same or differently, based on protection, block, or survival of first death attempt?

I reserve the right to be as specific or vague in each lynch and night post as I choose to be.

Which I think does say that we can't really infer anything.

Anyway, I am way too tired and slightly drunk after a night of Bar Mitzvah-ing, to think through much of anything. While I still have personal doubts about Glorf, I think that's fairly irrelevant at this point, because his lynch seems like a done deal. I do think we should be thinking beyond this lynch, though.

I acknowledge this post you are bringing up. Do you acknowledge that one I brought up?

I acknowledge the post you quoted earlier. But I've read that post as more ambiguous as you have all along.

Sloonei wrote:Simply by process of elimination, I am feeling more confident that Dom is one of the baddies. If two of Epi, Quin, and LoRab are bad then they've both played excellent games.

Linki: a mislynch still works against us in terms of numbers. I don't know, would we lose if it became 3 vs. 3 if one of the three skags is a useless Cundalini? Mr. Host?

G-Man wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Simply by process of elimination, I am feeling more confident that Dom is one of the baddies. If two of Epi, Quin, and LoRab are bad then they've both played excellent games.

Linki: a mislynch still works against us in terms of numbers. I don't know, would we lose if it became 3 vs. 3 if one of the three skags is a useless Cundalini? Mr. Host?

Baddie strength in numbers wins this game if said numbers can tie or win all remaining lynch polls.

Sloonei wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Simply by process of elimination, I am feeling more confident that Dom is one of the baddies. If two of Epi, Quin, and LoRab are bad then they've both played excellent games.

Linki: a mislynch still works against us in terms of numbers. I don't know, would we lose if it became 3 vs. 3 if one of the three skags is a useless Cundalini? Mr. Host?

Baddie strength in numbers wins this game if said numbers can tie or win all remaining lynch polls.

I am interpreting this to mean that we don't necessarily need to lynch Cundalini/Glorfindel right now. I would still like to, but I am open to any objections. Regardless, it's most prudent to continue sussing out who his teammates are. I apologize for not being more involved today.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

Go on.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

Go on.

"Let's lynch someone who isn't my teammate!"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Show me that you've even considered Dom as a townie. I don't think you have. Either of you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Show me that you've even considered Dom as a townie. I don't think you have. Either of you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sloonei

Literally no reason to dismiss the confirmed townie.

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sloonei

Literally no reason to dismiss the confirmed townie.

Yes there is.

Sloonei wrote:When have my changeable votes before the deadline ever meant anything?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Meh. It's Day 8. The answers are probably already in this thread somewhere.

Do your thing.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

Go on.

"Let's lynch someone who isn't my teammate!"

Who is my teammate Dom?

Answer that.

Sloonei wrote:I need Dom to be here for my vote to matter. Dom, get in here.

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Meh. It's Day 8. The answers are probably already in this thread somewhere.

Do your thing.

is your vote gonna linger on me for any other reason?

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I need Dom to be here for my vote to matter. Dom, get in here.

I'm here, but i'm not here to have long, indepth conversations.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Meh. It's Day 8. The answers are probably already in this thread somewhere.

Do your thing.

is your vote gonna linger on me for any other reason?

I might leave it there until I see evidence you're truly invested in figuring out which of your town reads is bad.

Sloonei wrote:Do you think Quin and Dom are compatible baddies?

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I need Dom to be here for my vote to matter. Dom, get in here.

I'm here, but i'm not here to have long, indepth conversations.

Earlier you accused Quin of doing something like "finding reasons to suspect you" rather than actually trying to read you honestly. Feel free to correct any part of that that's misspoken. I noticed it because that's exactly the impression I got from you on Day 6 toward both Quin and myself. Looking back on it, it looked like you were treating both of as adversaries and I caught no intent to to even try to assess us as townies. Do you think that's a fair assessment?

Quin wrote:I'm reading into both Dom's and MP's interactions with each other right now. Up until the point where he suggests he's being buddied, I can understand his suspicion, but I don't think I agree with it anyway. True, MP doesn't really indicate his feelings about Dom before the list and they barely have any associations anyway, but Dom's taking that neutrality and tried to twist it so much it just looks like tunneling to me. I'd like to have a condensed version of your full case against MP, Dom.

Quin wrote:Arguably something that looks good for MP is the reads he's made after Dom's accusation of buddying him and taking the cards that are convenient for him as opposed to for the town. I would expect a baddie in that situation to distance himself from Dom by making reads independent from Dom's train of thought. MP isn't doing that, I'm seeing legitimate attempts to read the people in his posts that show he's not trying to avoid that scrutiny. I think this interaction with Dom is civ-on-civ.

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Epi, who you gonna vote for now that Mr Mac is dead?

Quin, who's your supposed 3 person scum team?

Glorfindel, Dom and Wilgy.

Mac didn't like the first two very much. I'm partial to your argument against Wilgy. They all need ISO's.

What's yours?

Quin wrote:In reading Dom's posts this interaction with LoRab stands out to me:

Dom wrote:

LoRab wrote: My other suspicions are more amorphous: the low posters because they don't give us anything to go on. I keep getting pings from Dom, but he has also said things that feel civ to me--but he's on my list of considerations.

Which is so unsubstantial I don't even know how you'd like me to respond.

This post is a shitstorm. You do the following things in it:
1) Make no direct accusation. Let others do that for you.
2) Imply malintent on my part by using relatively *neutral* words like curious, but pairing it with an ellipses.
3) Not even have anything really to respond to.

This fits the narrative that LoRab is being overly cautious in giving out baddie reads. Whether it's just the way she plays or not, at the very least it makes me want to look at her more closely.

Quin wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I am pinged by LoRab's decision not to offer a read on anything.

I don't have any strong opinions. I think the pissing contest has drawn a neutral read. I think JJJ is vaguely pingy. I don't have other thoughts. And, seriously, I have just gotten through one of the most challenging weeks of my life. There are maybe 2 other times in my life that I've been as emotionally exhausted as I am right now. I don't particularly want to go into more detail, but I will if I need to. Those that are friends with me on fb can attest to the fact that I'm having a really, really crappy week. And those that have been playing with me for nearly a decade know that I don't play the emotion card except when I'm really in a bad place.

Processing mafia reads is using a really minimal level of brain wavelength because that's all I have to give right now. If that makes me suspicious, so be it.

LoRab's 'I won't pretend to have greater suspicions than I actually have' defence is consistent, addressing her lack of reads on Day 1. I don't think there is anything suspicious in her 'reserved' approach to the game.

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I need Dom to be here for my vote to matter. Dom, get in here.

I'm here, but i'm not here to have long, indepth conversations.

Earlier you accused Quin of doing something like "finding reasons to suspect you" rather than actually trying to read you honestly. Feel free to correct any part of that that's misspoken. I noticed it because that's exactly the impression I got from you on Day 6 toward both Quin and myself. Looking back on it, it looked like you were treating both of as adversaries and I caught no intent to to even try to assess us as townies. Do you think that's a fair assessment?

For Day Six-- sure. I aws thinking unclearly and felt very attacked. However, since, I have backed off my suspicion of you and reassessed.
On Quin-- I think if Glorf flips bad, he looks pretty bad for avoiding voting for him for days.

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I need Dom to be here for my vote to matter. Dom, get in here.

I'm here, but i'm not here to have long, indepth conversations.

Earlier you accused Quin of doing something like "finding reasons to suspect you" rather than actually trying to read you honestly. Feel free to correct any part of that that's misspoken. I noticed it because that's exactly the impression I got from you on Day 6 toward both Quin and myself. Looking back on it, it looked like you were treating both of as adversaries and I caught no intent to to even try to assess us as townies. Do you think that's a fair assessment?

For Day Six-- sure. I aws thinking unclearly and felt very attacked. However, since, I have backed off my suspicion of you and reassessed.
On Quin-- I think if Glorf flips bad, he looks pretty bad for avoiding voting for him for days.

I just reviewed the way Quin's case developed on you and, from my perspective, it looked very natural and not at all as you've been describing it. Would you still say that that factors into your scum read on him? Why/why not?

Sloonei wrote:Also, Dom, what do you have to say to the theory that Glorfindel is Cundalini, and that he is the role the scum team would be least hesitant to bus? Why would Quin avoid lynching a scum partner he has absolutely no reason not to bus?

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

Go on.

"Let's lynch someone who isn't my teammate!"

Who is my teammate Dom?

Answer that.

I haven't thought it through, but I don't like this post.

Dom wrote:i'm nto extremely insprited to play mafia right now

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:i'm nto extremely insprited to play mafia right now

That is understandable and I can empathize. But there is still a game going on and I need to read you one way or another, and right now I am having a tough time reading you as town. You do not need to passionately defend yourself or anything, but that is where my head is at.

I hope whatever is holding your attention IRL goes well.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I guess I'll start this.