The Syndicate

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:51 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:46 am The... start of today was weird though and I dunno what to make of it

what part?

Repeatedly questioning if the NK had a role was weird cause like... the set up of this game.

I also don't like people basically giving up and saying they need to die or be lock town.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:58 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:51 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:46 am The... start of today was weird though and I dunno what to make of it

what part?

Repeatedly questioning if the NK had a role was weird cause like... the set up of this game.

I also don't like people basically giving up and saying they need to die or be lock town.

Might've been asking about Flavor actually...I don't remember can't check... but either is weird in this set up

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:24 am kinda just feel like mac is a wolf bcuz he's off, i dont really have a super concrete reason and im voting there to just test the waters.

when i get in front of my desk again ill try to do some isos/notetaking, although i do have some work to do

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:40 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:38 pm i have no current problem with visor tbh and i think choosing ender over hk is kinda logical anyways

I have seen nothing disagreeable from Visor and he's far and away my top town.

top town??

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:52 pm sabi
porscha
lily
outed wolf
achro
neon
mac
drwilgy
santy
hk
jack
esooa
ender
nook


hmmmmm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:22 pm I feel like trusting with my life now in Ris, Porscha, nook and Lily. Prob in that order.

I thought that maybe ow kill was one to maintain status quo in thread, but just glossing at player list wilgs was there and feels like far more juicier then Outed Wolf there to kill so eeeeeh Im still lost on why ow could die.

I see the mac case and like yeah, could be. But also it isnt like, too much level 0 as a take? Mac isn the only scum so there should be two other people who would agree with that and why???

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:07 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:22 pm I feel like trusting with my life now in Ris, Porscha, nook and Lily. Prob in that order.

I thought that maybe ow kill was one to maintain status quo in thread, but just glossing at player list wilgs was there and feels like far more juicier then Outed Wolf there to kill so eeeeeh Im still lost on why ow could die.

I see the mac case and like yeah, could be. But also it isnt like, too much level 0 as a take? Mac isn the only scum so there should be two other people who would agree with that and why???

Explain the read on Risiinq please.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:17 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:09 pm well @hollowkatt time to prepare a legacy as you are super dead.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:27 am bucket o townies:

hk
porscha
risiinq
sabi
mac
wigly

schroedingers bucket:
achro
jackofhearts
lilypetal
neon
nanook
outed wolf

bucket o death:
santy
ender
esooa


I think all I need to do is find 2/3 more townies in the schroedingers bucket and mow through the bucket o death

updated:

town
HK
Porscha
Risiinq
Sabi
Mac
Wigly
Achro
Jack
Outed Wolf



kill
Santy
Esooa
Nanook
Ender
lilypetal
neon

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:07 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:22 pm I feel like trusting with my life now in Ris, Porscha, nook and Lily. Prob in that order.

I thought that maybe ow kill was one to maintain status quo in thread, but just glossing at player list wilgs was there and feels like far more juicier then Outed Wolf there to kill so eeeeeh Im still lost on why ow could die.

I see the mac case and like yeah, could be. But also it isnt like, too much level 0 as a take? Mac isn the only scum so there should be two other people who would agree with that and why???

Explain the read on Risiinq please.

really? you're going to antagonize me after quoting 3 quotes that aren't bad for me at all?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:47 am His rage fit was a distraction and should be ignored

I funny much ignore anything

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:09 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:07 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:22 pm I feel like trusting with my life now in Ris, Porscha, nook and Lily. Prob in that order.

I thought that maybe ow kill was one to maintain status quo in thread, but just glossing at player list wilgs was there and feels like far more juicier then Outed Wolf there to kill so eeeeeh Im still lost on why ow could die.

I see the mac case and like yeah, could be. But also it isnt like, too much level 0 as a take? Mac isn the only scum so there should be two other people who would agree with that and why???

Explain the read on Risiinq please.

really? you're going to antagonize me after quoting 3 quotes that aren't bad for me at all?

Where am I antagonising you? I want to know why Santygrass townreads you so that I can figure out whether or not he and/or you are mafia. Do you have a problem with that?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am Mac trending up. Fight me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:58 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME thoughts on esooa?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:47 am His rage fit was a distraction and should be ignored

I funny much ignore anything

It isn't ai, if anything it's somewhat scummy for him given how much importance he's placed on not doing that stuff, but I'd say it's just nai

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:07 am 1. what does you being hard pushed by 3 other people have anything to do with what i was talking about which was mainly just where i was at in terms of my thoughts on ur slot?

2. if u want an explanation, my comment was mainly because i dont recall u ever mentioning visor as a townread before and so seeing u call him "far and away my top town" was surprising to me.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:09 am 3. you and mrwilgy have not presented me anything else that i deem randtown after like... 12 hours into the first day. you had micro moments that seemed towny but it was extremely surface level so i dont care that much. drwigly has just disappeared from existence. i believe yesterday's wagons were v/v from the defeatist attitudes of both hence HK is town. my reads can change yaknow. and santy i still think is towny cuz of *reads* and *beliefs* and some *aggression* but i'm not super confident on it so he's veering on the edge of poe.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:09 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:07 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:22 pm I feel like trusting with my life now in Ris, Porscha, nook and Lily. Prob in that order.

I thought that maybe ow kill was one to maintain status quo in thread, but just glossing at player list wilgs was there and feels like far more juicier then Outed Wolf there to kill so eeeeeh Im still lost on why ow could die.

I see the mac case and like yeah, could be. But also it isnt like, too much level 0 as a take? Mac isn the only scum so there should be two other people who would agree with that and why???

Explain the read on Risiinq please.

really? you're going to antagonize me after quoting 3 quotes that aren't bad for me at all?

Where am I antagonising you? I want to know why Santygrass townreads you so that I can figure out whether or not he and/or you are mafia. Do you have a problem with that?

forgive me for the overreaction. i just felt like you weren't treating me as a "fellow townie" in any of the posts recently where you quoted one of my posts and probed me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:13 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:09 am 3. you and mrwilgy have not presented me anything else that i deem randtown after like... 12 hours into the first day. you had micro moments that seemed towny but it was extremely surface level so i dont care that much. drwigly has just disappeared from existence. i believe yesterday's wagons were v/v from the defeatist attitudes of both hence HK is town. my reads can change yaknow. and santy i still think is towny cuz of *reads* and *beliefs* and some *aggression* but i'm not super confident on it so he's veering on the edge of poe.

HK and Ender's reactions couldn't have been more different and you had HK towards the bottom of your scumlist and now you do not. If HK is mafia you are always his partner. Let's file that one away.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am Mac trending up. Fight me.

neon towny for this. yeah

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:16 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am Mac trending up. Fight me.

neon towny for this. yeah

Neon is town for shielding the person you're voting for?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:13 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:09 am 3. you and mrwilgy have not presented me anything else that i deem randtown after like... 12 hours into the first day. you had micro moments that seemed towny but it was extremely surface level so i dont care that much. drwigly has just disappeared from existence. i believe yesterday's wagons were v/v from the defeatist attitudes of both hence HK is town. my reads can change yaknow. and santy i still think is towny cuz of *reads* and *beliefs* and some *aggression* but i'm not super confident on it so he's veering on the edge of poe.

HK and Ender's reactions couldn't have been more different and you had HK towards the bottom of your scumlist and now you do not. If HK is mafia you are always his partner. Let's file that one away.

i am willing to acknowledge this as it is logical but do not preflip me.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:12 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:47 am His rage fit was a distraction and should be ignored

I funny much ignore anything

It isn't ai, if anything it's somewhat scummy for him given how much importance he's placed on not doing that stuff, but I'd say it's just nai

Hardly locking HK town. But I'm going to keep reading the intent.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:16 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:11 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am Mac trending up. Fight me.

neon towny for this. yeah

Neon is town for shielding the person you're voting for?

somebody does not necessarily have to be correct for them to be town

somebody does not necessarily have to play prowolf (ie shielding partners) to be wolf

i townread neon because of saying "fight me." and because of the particular moment they said it in, in which most of the thread direction has been towards you being wolf.

i townread neon because i believe that they saw ur string of posting and thought it was towny, as i can see a townie thinking that regardless of my own personal read on it

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:29 am i do not feel like killing HK today and i hope that this is not a bad idea. the visor kill makes me feel better about this.

drwigly has personally fallen off for me, as has nook

achro has gotten a lot better for me and this isn't a read that is going up and down, im kinda down for locking it in for now

lily santy and neon are all slots ive felt good about from time to time but these i need to reevaluate

my immediate PoE is {drwigly, nook, mac, esooa, jack} though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:19 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:12 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:47 am His rage fit was a distraction and should be ignored

I funny much ignore anything

It isn't ai, if anything it's somewhat scummy for him given how much importance he's placed on not doing that stuff, but I'd say it's just nai

Hardly locking HK town. But I'm going to keep reading the intent.

Alright, if we're going to read intent

Sorry in advance hk, this may be a bit harsh


HK has caught bans/suspensions for toxicity, as recently as a year or so ago iirc (possibly a year and a half, idr), and has worked hard to reduce that part of his game. He's done a legitimately great job of it. The fact that it came back out at eod1 isn't town indicative, if anything him not backing off it at all and in fact doubling down and telling someone to choke on a brick or whatever is scummy, he had the chances to take a step back and refused them, usually if he's town when its pointed out he'll take a breath and reset, but there's upside/an advantage to not doing so as mafia. Its basically a pure "I can't defend myself from these SRs so I'm going to make voting for me emotionally unpleasant." Its shitty behavior that townHK has worked hard to excise from his play, but it's strictly beneficial for scumHK.

It could be a town reaction, of course, we all have lapses, on balance i expect it to come from scumHK more than townHK at this point

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:20 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:19 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:12 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:47 am His rage fit was a distraction and should be ignored

I funny much ignore anything

It isn't ai, if anything it's somewhat scummy for him given how much importance he's placed on not doing that stuff, but I'd say it's just nai

Hardly locking HK town. But I'm going to keep reading the intent.

Alright, if we're going to read intent

Sorry in advance hk, this may be a bit harsh


HK has caught bans/suspensions for toxicity, as recently as a year or so ago iirc (possibly a year and a half, idr), and has worked hard to reduce that part of his game. He's done a legitimately great job of it. The fact that it came back out at eod1 isn't town indicative, if anything him not backing off it at all and in fact doubling down and telling someone to choke on a brick or whatever is scummy, he had the chances to take a step back and refused them, usually if he's town when its pointed out he'll take a breath and reset, but there's upside/an advantage to not doing so as mafia. Its basically a pure "I can't defend myself from these SRs so I'm going to make voting for me emotionally unpleasant." Its shitty behavior that townHK has worked hard to excise from his play, but it's strictly beneficial for scumHK.

It could be a town reaction, of course, we all have lapses, on balance i expect it to come from scumHK more than townHK at this point

Do you think the same thing applies to sabi telling me she hates me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:20 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:19 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:12 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:10 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:52 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:47 am His rage fit was a distraction and should be ignored

I funny much ignore anything

It isn't ai, if anything it's somewhat scummy for him given how much importance he's placed on not doing that stuff, but I'd say it's just nai

Hardly locking HK town. But I'm going to keep reading the intent.

Alright, if we're going to read intent

Sorry in advance hk, this may be a bit harsh


HK has caught bans/suspensions for toxicity, as recently as a year or so ago iirc (possibly a year and a half, idr), and has worked hard to reduce that part of his game. He's done a legitimately great job of it. The fact that it came back out at eod1 isn't town indicative, if anything him not backing off it at all and in fact doubling down and telling someone to choke on a brick or whatever is scummy, he had the chances to take a step back and refused them, usually if he's town when its pointed out he'll take a breath and reset, but there's upside/an advantage to not doing so as mafia. Its basically a pure "I can't defend myself from these SRs so I'm going to make voting for me emotionally unpleasant." Its shitty behavior that townHK has worked hard to excise from his play, but it's strictly beneficial for scumHK.

It could be a town reaction, of course, we all have lapses, on balance i expect it to come from scumHK more than townHK at this point

Do you think the same thing applies to sabi telling me she hates me?

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:19 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:29 am i do not feel like killing HK today and i hope that this is not a bad idea. the visor kill makes me feel better about this.

drwigly has personally fallen off for me, as has nook

achro has gotten a lot better for me and this isn't a read that is going up and down, im kinda down for locking it in for now

lily santy and neon are all slots ive felt good about from time to time but these i need to reevaluate

my immediate PoE is {drwigly, nook, mac, esooa, jack} though.

this should explain my poe btw

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:23 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:19 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:29 am i do not feel like killing HK today and i hope that this is not a bad idea. the visor kill makes me feel better about this.

drwigly has personally fallen off for me, as has nook

achro has gotten a lot better for me and this isn't a read that is going up and down, im kinda down for locking it in for now

lily santy and neon are all slots ive felt good about from time to time but these i need to reevaluate

my immediate PoE is {drwigly, nook, mac, esooa, jack} though.

this should explain my poe btw

It really doesn't. You haven't mentioned esooa, jack or me in this commentary. Nor have you explained why any of the other players such as Santygrass are outside of it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:23 am Sabi and hk are different people with different journies, different things are ai for each, etc. etc.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:26 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:23 am Sabi and hk are different people with different journies, different things are ai for each, etc. etc.

Obviously but do you think that sabi would be more likely to give into the temptation to use toxic ate as a wolf or town in light of the fact that sabi is also trying to work on controlling themselves in mafia games?

I would personally tend to think wolf, especially given sabi lost a game as a wolf last time they tried to control their ate. It would be difficult to justify doing so again.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:27 am you were my first townread coming into the game tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:28 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:27 am you were my first townread coming into the game tbh

This was not the case by eod yeah? Iirc you were down on me prior to eod1