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Yes, true, I figured she'd be following up her intention to vote with an actual vote, so I wanted to get that changed in time. My worry was unfounded it seems.Long Con wrote:Technically, she did not vote.MovingPictures07 wrote:Your vote puts it 1 away from hammer then. I'll back off.juliets wrote:I will go back to Quin since people see a case on top of my knowledge but I don't want to hammer.
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I don't think it was T-T, but like I said earlier, I had a crisis of confidence.Long Con wrote:Jack was town... was that whole ordeal town-town? I doubt it, at this stage of the game. MM is the only baddie we've got, right?juliets wrote:We need to see the votes - are we tied?
If I was right all along about Quin I'm going to be very frustrated.
I feel more or less the same at this point. Very civ vibes from jules today.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:As confident as a read can be without information.MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, how affirmative is that statement re: juliets? Assign a percentage.
Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?
I would classify it as "desperation level" confidence.MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?
This is all awesome to know. Thank you.speedchuck wrote:MP, here's the deal in a nutshell:
Quin's claim was made in a bad way, under dubious circumstances, and we have a half-sorta counter claim from Julets. Quin's reads have also been opposed to everyone else's for a lot of the game. Jack, who was just killed as town, made some pretty aggressive cases toward quin.
Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.
Long Con claimed to give Sloon the gun that sloon used. Our confirmed town tracker says that is a lie. Shenanigans.
That's about as simple as the cases get, I think.
Still feeling town!Quin, if less strongly than before. But that's me.
And there is no possible way that a third party could have altered things? None?Quin wrote:Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?
Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?Quin wrote:Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?
You targeted Sloonei to give him a gun. Sloonei received a gun. Jay tracked you. You did no such thing.Long Con wrote:And there is no possible way that a third party could have altered things? None?Quin wrote:Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?
I will say that Juliets counter-claim is specifically that there is another odd-night town doctor. Which is what Quin claimed. It's not a vague counter claim, Juliets is protecting the identity. The problem is that we have so much other shenanigans, and the Quin claim happened in a way that is pretty damning, but in a way that make it seem that it's too obvious to make that play if you're scum.MovingPictures07 wrote:This is all awesome to know. Thank you.speedchuck wrote:MP, here's the deal in a nutshell:
Quin's claim was made in a bad way, under dubious circumstances, and we have a half-sorta counter claim from Julets. Quin's reads have also been opposed to everyone else's for a lot of the game. Jack, who was just killed as town, made some pretty aggressive cases toward quin.
Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.
Long Con claimed to give Sloon the gun that sloon used. Our confirmed town tracker says that is a lie. Shenanigans.
That's about as simple as the cases get, I think.
Still feeling town!Quin, if less strongly than before. But that's me.
I apologize to be that burden of a guy who just replaced in and is constantly asking questions and requesting summaries. Every little bit that you all can spare helps, but I don't want to impede productive mafia hunting either.
I agree. I'd say that's a bad look for Soneji. Agree or disagree?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.
Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.
Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.
Me threeGolden wrote:I feel more or less the same at this point. Very civ vibes from jules today.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:As confident as a read can be without information.MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, how affirmative is that statement re: juliets? Assign a percentage.
Cool, thanks for the additional info.Fredwood wrote:I will say that Juliets counter-claim is specifically that there is another odd-night town doctor. Which is what Quin claimed. It's not a vague counter claim, Juliets is protecting the identity. The problem is that we have so much other shenanigans, and the Quin claim happened in a way that is pretty damning, but in a way that make it seem that it's too obvious to make that play if you're scum.MovingPictures07 wrote:This is all awesome to know. Thank you.speedchuck wrote:MP, here's the deal in a nutshell:
Quin's claim was made in a bad way, under dubious circumstances, and we have a half-sorta counter claim from Julets. Quin's reads have also been opposed to everyone else's for a lot of the game. Jack, who was just killed as town, made some pretty aggressive cases toward quin.
Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.
Long Con claimed to give Sloon the gun that sloon used. Our confirmed town tracker says that is a lie. Shenanigans.
That's about as simple as the cases get, I think.
Still feeling town!Quin, if less strongly than before. But that's me.
I apologize to be that burden of a guy who just replaced in and is constantly asking questions and requesting summaries. Every little bit that you all can spare helps, but I don't want to impede productive mafia hunting either.
Bad. If EOD pressure has any value, this would be the application.MovingPictures07 wrote:I agree. I'd say that's a bad look for Soneji. Agree or disagree?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.
Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.
Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.
My impression of the role was a lynch save or vote manipulation power.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?Quin wrote:Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?
than Soneji, you mean? Why?Long Con wrote:I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.
JJJ somehow twisted me responding to INH's map talk to me agreeing with INH on just Golden and JJJ being potentially suspicious, which was based on INH voting MM himself to get the map. Never went anywhere because in that same response I plainly stated that I doubt any location on the map was specifically favorable to one faction.speedchuck wrote: Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.
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I agree.Golden wrote:I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.
What I mean is that Long Con claimed to give Sloonei a thing that we know for sure he had. The night of the claim is aligned. So: if Long Con didn't give that gun to Sloonei, the voting public did. Do you believe that the corrupted jury is the gun?Quin wrote:My impression of the role was a lynch save or vote manipulation power.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?Quin wrote:Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?
The odds that the Jury was a gun and that LC also tried to give him a gun on the same night, lol.
Because I'm watching him twist words and facts right in front of my face to try and take me down.MovingPictures07 wrote:than Soneji, you mean? Why?Long Con wrote:I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.
I do not share or understand why you have this level of confidence. I imagine you've figured out her role for some reason. The one I have in mind for her could be of either alignment.speedchuck wrote:Me threeGolden wrote:I feel more or less the same at this point. Very civ vibes from jules today.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:As confident as a read can be without information.MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, how affirmative is that statement re: juliets? Assign a percentage.
I twisted it, eh?Soneji wrote:JJJ somehow twisted me responding to INH's map talk to me agreeing with INH on just Golden and JJJ being potentially suspicious, which was based on INH voting MM himself to get the map. Never went anywhere because in that same response I plainly stated that I doubt any location on the map was specifically favorable to one faction.speedchuck wrote: Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.
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L-1!!!sprityo wrote:linki: MP slipped past me, Soneji has 6 votes currently
Long Con wrote:Because I'm watching him twist words and facts right in front of my face to try and take me down.MovingPictures07 wrote:than Soneji, you mean? Why?Long Con wrote:I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.
Two odd night doctors is... less likely. Explain? We have 13 minutes still.juliets wrote:I agree.Golden wrote:I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.
Wait Fred this not quite right.
If I am right there are two odd night doctorings. That doesn't necessarily mean another odd night doctor if you get my meaning. Sorry if thats how it came across. I'm shit at explaining this I know.
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But not Soneji. Are they teammates or does Quin have a special reason to want you dead?Long Con wrote:Because I'm watching him twist words and facts right in front of my face to try and take me down.MovingPictures07 wrote:than Soneji, you mean? Why?Long Con wrote:I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.
Ok...I think I get it, just that someone else "could" doctor on an odd night...right? That actually helps Q in my mind.juliets wrote:I agree.Golden wrote:I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.
Wait Fred this not quite right.
If I am right there are two odd night doctorings. That doesn't necessarily mean another odd night doctor if you get my meaning. Sorry if thats how it came across. I'm shit at explaining this I know.
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No. I think it has some effect on the lynch poll.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What I mean is that Long Con claimed to give Sloonei a thing that we know for sure he had. The night of the claim is aligned. So: if Long Con didn't give that gun to Sloonei, the voting public did. Do you believe that the corrupted jury is the gun?Quin wrote:My impression of the role was a lynch save or vote manipulation power.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?Quin wrote:Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?
The odds that the Jury was a gun and that LC also tried to give him a gun on the same night, lol.
Soneji, whose been behind and has been trying to catch up while also replying to the current going ons, is surprisingly behind the pace. That is some great detective work there JJJJaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.
Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.
Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.
That I'm "painting myself" (ugh) as more integral than I was.Quin wrote:The long con happening right now just gave you a bullshit reason for voting a baddie while painting himself as more integral to the fact than he really was.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Yes. I don't care about his Marmot vote either way. It's dead center and bus-friendly, but not bus-indicative. I care about the Long Con happening right now.Quin wrote:Did you read my debunk of LC's response to you about marmot?
Why are you trying to catch up in the middle of an EOD sequence which is quite possibly about to result in your death?Soneji wrote:Soneji, whose been behind and has been trying to catch up while also replying to the current going ons, is surprisingly behind the pace. That is some great detective work there JJJJaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.
Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.
Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.
Not Long Con.speedchuck wrote:Then where the heck did the gun come from?
My information says there is a doctor out there which would mean if Quin is an odd night doctor there are two doctors operating on the odd nights.Long Con wrote:Two odd night doctors is... less likely. Explain? We have 13 minutes still.juliets wrote:I agree.Golden wrote:I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.
Wait Fred this not quite right.
If I am right there are two odd night doctorings. That doesn't necessarily mean another odd night doctor if you get my meaning. Sorry if thats how it came across. I'm shit at explaining this I know.
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speedchuck wrote:Then where the heck did the gun come from?
Your vote was not made with the thought that it needed to be made to ensure that somebody was lynched. This is not an argument you have the credibility to make, because you weren't around to witness EoD.Long Con wrote:That I'm "painting myself" (ugh) as more integral than I was.Quin wrote:The long con happening right now just gave you a bullshit reason for voting a baddie while painting himself as more integral to the fact than he really was.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Yes. I don't care about his Marmot vote either way. It's dead center and bus-friendly, but not bus-indicative. I care about the Long Con happening right now.Quin wrote:Did you read my debunk of LC's response to you about marmot?
LITERALLY one vote less and MM would have walked. EVERY vote was integral.
Could be. If the corrupted jury isn't the gun, why did Sloonei have a gun today?Quin wrote:No. I think it has some effect on the lynch poll.