The Syndicate

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:06 pm You guys don't actually think Simon's is bad, youre voting him off because he's inactive, there's no real evidence that he's mafia, the real evidence is in nutella.
Tony was very adamant in nutella being bad.
But I feel like I'm talking to myself now & nobody's listening so ...rip....

He would've been a better Day 2 lynch than sig.

There is literally no reason to think that JaggedJimmyJay is civilian. I will not vote for him.

There is literally every reason to think that Glorfindel is civilian.

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If y'all want to lynch Marmot I'm game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:58 pm If y'all want to lynch Marmot I'm game.

I'm game.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm ...mmm

should i buy us an extra day then?

If Quin's secret second ability is to give us an extra day or something, then isn't it against the rules to do this?

I ask not as a rule nazi, but as a guy who would love to put his second ability out there right now for public debate on usage.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:50 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:08 pm @Glorfindel
@Marmot
@Made
@Long Con

Come back to kick butt thx

Sup fam!

I will begrudgingly get on board with a nutella lynch, but I really fear that following lapluie's advice again is going to turn out like Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy's football.

If nutella flips Civ, I'll be voting lapluie forever.

No you won’t LC - she’s one of us.

Okey-dokey!

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm ...mmm

should i buy us an extra day then?

If Quin's secret second ability is to give us an extra day or something, then isn't it against the rules to do this?

I ask not as a rule nazi, but as a guy who would love to put his second ability out there right now for public debate on usage.

I don't feel like I did anything different to 3J/Marmots indy claims or Glorfindel's "I never lie" town reads.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm ...mmm

should i buy us an extra day then?

If Quin's secret second ability is to give us an extra day or something, then isn't it against the rules to do this?

I ask not as a rule nazi, but as a guy who would love to put his second ability out there right now for public debate on usage.

I could offer an extra day right now too.

Couldn't follow through, but eh.

We trust you, thanks to glorf. If you wanna pull something, we can go in blind.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm ...mmm

should i buy us an extra day then?

If Quin's secret second ability is to give us an extra day or something, then isn't it against the rules to do this?

I ask not as a rule nazi, but as a guy who would love to put his second ability out there right now for public debate on usage.

I think the only way around the rules is to come up with a strategy for literally every ability ever.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm ...mmm

should i buy us an extra day then?

If Quin's secret second ability is to give us an extra day or something, then isn't it against the rules to do this?

I ask not as a rule nazi, but as a guy who would love to put his second ability out there right now for public debate on usage.

I think the only way around the rules is to come up with a strategy for literally every ability ever.

That is exactly where my thoughts were going, although I was starting with "How many abilities would be reasonable to list, in order to hide mine in there?"

I don't think "Buying us an extra day" is Quin's ability. I think it's the ultimate sort-of effect of the ability.

It'd probably be better not to list a bunch of literal abilities.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:07 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm ...mmm

should i buy us an extra day then?

If Quin's secret second ability is to give us an extra day or something, then isn't it against the rules to do this?

I ask not as a rule nazi, but as a guy who would love to put his second ability out there right now for public debate on usage.

I think the only way around the rules is to come up with a strategy for literally every ability ever.

That is exactly where my thoughts were going, although I was starting with "How many abilities would be reasonable to list, in order to hide mine in there?"

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But seriously, 3-5. That would more than hide your ability for rules purposes and for strategic purposes.

[mention]Glorfindel[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]
I would appreciate the two of you voting for Simon. Even if you don't trust me, consider that I've been trying to lynch Simon since Day 3 so if I'm bad, this is a bus and still helps the town. Nutella is probably (sticking with my 75% estimate) bad but if she's not, she's the most obvious mislynch target except maybe Jimmy (and he might be bad anyway). This means that the mafia likely has an extra vote or two on her so it's important to not have tied trains.

Consider 4 scenarios regarding Simon and Nutella.
Both are town - We're screwed. Doesn't matter what you do.
Both are scum - Great. Doesn't matter what you do.
Simon town, Nutella scum - We're screwed. Simon is gonna get mislynched or put his vote in the wrong spot sooner than later. Lynching Nutella delays the inevitable.
Simon scum, Nutella town - Your votes need to be on Simon. A town Nutella is significantly more likely to help win the game than a town Simon.

I think we're looking at scenario 2 but scenario 4 should be taken into account.

This is the exact argument I laid out to support lynching Simon over Dunya, even though I thought both were probably bad.

[mention]lapluie[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]

Can you please address the arguements laid out about the reliability of trackers, the debunked Dunya block theory and the much higher reliability of cops/lie detectors?

Your continued pushing on Nutella over Simon is suboptimal for the town and makes you look suspicious. If either or both of you are town, you absolutely must be less suspicious than Dom.

Folks seem to think I have skirted the rules which is irritating me.

Civilians claim to be civilians. This is a claim of alignment. I claimed an alignment. I claimed nothing more. Cut it out.

Another point regarding the importance of wagon control:

If the mafia enjoy vote manipulation or empowerment and Dave and/or Dom are not among them, the disadvantage to the civilians is immense. The ability to maintain control over a lynch is what allows a game to continue, and if either of those two is a non-voting civilian then the game cannot be won unless the remaining civilians vote together every single time. Even that may not be enough. These lines in the sand can only work if both wagons are on mafia members. I think that's where we are now, but keep it in mind moving forward if you can't sort it out this time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:52 am Another point regarding the importance of wagon control:

If the mafia enjoy vote manipulation or empowerment and Dave and/or Dom are not among them, the disadvantage to the civilians is immense. The ability to maintain control over a lynch is what allows a game to continue, and if either of those two is a non-voting civilian then the game cannot be won unless the remaining civilians vote together every single time. Even that may not be enough. These lines in the sand can only work if both wagons are on mafia members. I think that's where we are now, but keep it in mind moving forward if you can't sort it out this time.

And if I was bad someone else (cause I'm leading a train here), I'd pretend to not understand the case on the scum player or pretend there was more to the case on the town player.

You don't have to come across good. You just have to fool one townie.

Also, Marmot is clearly with the Outworld. I hope it hasn't sounded like I've been kidding about that, because I haven't. I am confident that he is mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:15 pm Also, Marmot is clearly with the Outworld. I hope it hasn't sounded like I've been kidding about that, because I haven't. I am confident that he is mafia.

If you were to choose between lynching him or nutella tomorrow... ?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:15 pm Also, Marmot is clearly with the Outworld. I hope it hasn't sounded like I've been kidding about that, because I haven't. I am confident that he is mafia.

If you were to choose between lynching him or nutella tomorrow... ?

I'd call their cases comparable and would be open to both.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:07 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:42 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm ...mmm

should i buy us an extra day then?

If Quin's secret second ability is to give us an extra day or something, then isn't it against the rules to do this?

I ask not as a rule nazi, but as a guy who would love to put his second ability out there right now for public debate on usage.

I think the only way around the rules is to come up with a strategy for literally every ability ever.

That is exactly where my thoughts were going, although I was starting with "How many abilities would be reasonable to list, in order to hide mine in there?"

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But seriously, 3-5. That would more than hide your ability for rules purposes and for strategic purposes.

Heck, I decided to just use it. You'll see sooooooon enough!

Checking in before I go. Hope there's not too big a gap between my replacement.

I'd say you should trust Jack, lapluie and Glorfindel. I'm waffling about adding 3J to that list considering my look at rabbit8's ISO. In who's case I'll say it one more time - he wasn't killed for funsies. I suggest reading him thoroughly.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:38 pm Checking in before I go. Hope there's not too big a gap between my replacement.

I'd say you should trust Jack, lapluie and Glorfindel. I'm waffling about adding 3J to that list considering my look at rabbit8's ISO. In who's case I'll say it one more time - he wasn't killed for funsies. I suggest reading him thoroughly.

uuuhhhh I know this isn't great, because vacation is a break from all of this, but is there anyway you could vote or at least set up a conditional vote so that your vote would be on the poll? That alone could buy us an extra day.

I guess that's up to the host. [mention]Epignosis[/mention]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:15 pm Also, Marmot is clearly with the Outworld. I hope it hasn't sounded like I've been kidding about that, because I haven't. I am confident that he is mafia.

I'm with no one you fool.

You don't need me dead. Keep your hands off my dinner.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:38 pm Checking in before I go. Hope there's not too big a gap between my replacement.

I'd say you should trust Jack, lapluie and Glorfindel. I'm waffling about adding 3J to that list considering my look at rabbit8's ISO. In who's case I'll say it one more time - he wasn't killed for funsies. I suggest reading him thoroughly.

uuuhhhh I know this isn't great, because vacation is a break from all of this, but is there anyway you could vote or at least set up a conditional vote so that your vote would be on the poll? That alone could buy us an extra day.

I guess that's up to the host. Epignosis

It would be up to him, yeah.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:38 pm Checking in before I go. Hope there's not too big a gap between my replacement.

I'd say you should trust Jack, lapluie and Glorfindel. I'm waffling about adding 3J to that list considering my look at rabbit8's ISO. In who's case I'll say it one more time - he wasn't killed for funsies. I suggest reading him thoroughly.

I agree. Nobody kills a guy one cycle after he replaces into a game if he isn't posing a legitimate threat of some kind. I know many people here suffer from debilitating WIFOM-phobia, but I'd never kill rabbit so quickly into his first game on the site in such a long time whether he was a threat or not. If there's one thing I value more than winning and having fun, it's the long-term capacity of the website to feature a diverse and broad player base. I don't coldly welcome someone back from a long hiatus with a swift night kill. If the mafia team wanted to enjoy my worsening credit in this game, that kill was a mistake. It reminds me of the Phenon game when the mafia killed Nachomomma in his first visit and tried to pin it on me. No way, sir.

rabbit was happy to lynch Simon and nutella so we already see a promising trend there. Other names of interest were speedchuck and Made among others.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:15 pm Also, Marmot is clearly with the Outworld. I hope it hasn't sounded like I've been kidding about that, because I haven't. I am confident that he is mafia.

I'm with no one you fool.

You don't need me dead. Keep your hands off my dinner.

Why didn't you give a damn about Glorfindel's effort to prevent a lynch of Long Con?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:15 pm Also, Marmot is clearly with the Outworld. I hope it hasn't sounded like I've been kidding about that, because I haven't. I am confident that he is mafia.

Woah, did you figure this out now or before?
Should we lynch him then?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:09 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:38 pm Checking in before I go. Hope there's not too big a gap between my replacement.

I'd say you should trust Jack, lapluie and Glorfindel. I'm waffling about adding 3J to that list considering my look at rabbit8's ISO. In who's case I'll say it one more time - he wasn't killed for funsies. I suggest reading him thoroughly.

I agree. Nobody kills a guy one cycle after he replaces into a game if he isn't posing a legitimate threat of some kind. I know many people here suffer from debilitating WIFOM-phobia, but I'd never kill rabbit so quickly into his first game on the site in such a long time whether he was a threat or not. If there's one thing I value more than winning and having fun, it's the long-term capacity of the website to feature a diverse and broad player base. I don't coldly welcome someone back from a long hiatus with a swift night kill. If the mafia team wanted to enjoy my worsening credit in this game, that kill was a mistake. It reminds me of the Phenon game when the mafia killed Nachomomma in his first visit and tried to pin it on me. No way, sir.

rabbit was happy to lynch Simon and nutella so we already see a promising trend there. Other names of interest were speedchuck and Made among others.

I agree with this.

Jimmy's probably not mafia or else he's fooled me baaaaaadly and I'll just take the loss in that case.

That makes Marmot look significantly worse.

[mention]nutella[/mention]

http://www.novinite.com/articles/187381 ... permarkets

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:01 pm @nutella

http://www.novinite.com/articles/187381 ... permarkets

"They are like animals. A woman had her hair pulled, an elderly lady took a box on her head, another had a bloody hand," oh my god

wow y'all a tie? for realzies?
gonna re read simon, cuz i don't remember anything from him at all, but my thought process right now is bad things from one player with good things vs no good things from another player and absents isn't a black and white policy lynch but depends on context of the absents and how bad the bad things are.

voting nutella now

lmao that was a short read. i could go either way. i'd wager that simon is unfamilar with the "baddies post more emojis' train of thought, and i'm typically against it, but like that's a thing that exist for a reason, i mean probably.

the fact that simon hasn't come in to defend himself, today, yesterday, last night etc etc etc makes a bit nervous tho. I'd be very sure that should he be bad his teammates would bus the shit out of him cuz easy civ cred. I feel like a civvie simon would be less likely to play defense than a mafia simon.

So juicy. So saucy.

odds that Nutella and Simon are bad? like is there anything there supporting a theory like that?

further, Simon teams in general??? i feel like to justify a vote there, there should be more there-- especially as we continue to grow dangerously close to a lylo

Made wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:25 pm odds that Nutella and Simon are bad? like is there anything there supporting a theory like that?

Go back & read tony, he made it very clear nutella is mafia.

Idk about simon tbh

Marmot is such a hater.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:25 pm odds that Nutella and Simon are bad? like is there anything there supporting a theory like that?

Two things seem pretty clear:

Tony had information on nutella, likely tracking her into a kill. It's a good lead if not necessarily a slam dunk.

Jack has information on Simon, more conclusive than a blocked kill, either via his role or via his alignment. It's a good lead if not necessarily a slam dunk.

They can both be mafia. There's no reason they can't that I can think of.

We can't logically accuse either side of trying to pull LyLo/MyLo shenanigans because both of these cases have already existed across multiple cycles. I also have my doubts that the numbers bear that out quite yet.

accidentallied a word there: simon and nutella are BOTH bad.

also, i don't like how quite it is before lynch. any last second lynch train shenannagins will be met with timely and unrelenting finger-wagging.

going to work
bye y'all

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:38 pm

Made wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:25 pm odds that Nutella and Simon are bad? like is there anything there supporting a theory like that?

Go back & read tony, he made it very clear nutella is mafia.

Gonna just continue to ignore my questions?

Sorry guys. I am currently sick as a dog - sicker, actually. I’m kinda out for now will try to get back and catch up sometime. Sorry

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:03 pm Sorry guys. I am currently sick as a dog - sicker, actually. I’m kinda out for now will try to get back and catch up sometime. Sorry

You get better.

There's not much more to say on these two, and everyone in this game is pretty set on their target. Apparently.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:39 pm Marmot is such a hater.

It's true.

I grow weary of your continued suspicions and mislynches of me.



I didn't think Glorfindel would make such a straightforward demand based on information. I didn't think so in the moment, and even now when I look back on it, it seems a bit strong.

I don't understand your beef with me. I don't understand why you want to lynch Jack. Or nutella. But I hope you're right about Simon, that he's mafia. And I hope the mafia kills you as a consolation.

I don't like ties.

But we should lynch Simon, so I'm leaving my vote as is.

But I'm also willing to hot potato to Tony if anyone else is in. Wouldn't mind lynching him again.