Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Hally]

even if its winnable hally it doesnt change the fact that i am piece of garbage and mowed down 10 villagers on my own single handedly

you’re not garbage if you’re town. we all make mistakes

[Hally]

Wait

Does tutu being a jailkeeper solve all the mech issues? I feel like it does lmao I’ll game it out when I’m home tho

please walk me through how

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wait

Does tutu being a jailkeeper solve all the mech issues? I feel like it does lmao I’ll game it out when I’m home tho

please walk me through how

I have to reference Amy’s compilation of night actions but

It would mean your redirect never happened and account for why results weren’t gotten on you

Idk if it actually fits but I think it might? Idk I’m doing errands rn, I’ll see if it does when I get home

[tutuu]

hally is there a world ur town and u dont know ur ascetic?

[Hally]

just putting it out there that i don’t think amy had a green check on nanook

if he is classicism he can still be greek

greek classicism is a thing that exists. that’s like plato, aristotle, socrates, etc which is what the wolves have been so far

didn’t mention this until now because i was treating nanook as lock clear anyway but yea

[tutuu]

[mention]Amy[/mention] u didnt deserve this

<---- piece of dirt

[tutuu]

just putting it out there that i don’t think amy had a green check on nanook

if he is classicism he can still be greek

greek classicism is a thing that exists. that’s like plato, aristotle, socrates, etc which is what the wolves have been so far

didn’t mention this until now because i was treating nanook as lock clear anyway but yea

yea i asked this a bunch of times

like

what is classicism?

someone told me its like 17-18th century stuff? a bit more late? and not ancient era?

[Hally]

hally is there a world ur town and u dont know ur ascetic?

no i confirmed i’m not

[tutuu]

well if ur town its up to u to carry hally lol

btw roleblock happens BEFORE redirect

so things already looking fucked

[Hally]

just putting it out there that i don’t think amy had a green check on nanook

if he is classicism he can still be greek

greek classicism is a thing that exists. that’s like plato, aristotle, socrates, etc which is what the wolves have been so far

didn’t mention this until now because i was treating nanook as lock clear anyway but yea

yea i asked this a bunch of times

like

what is classicism?

someone told me its like 17-18th century stuff? a bit more late? and not ancient era?

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny- ... hilosophy/

classics is a field that refers to ancient greece/rome. it’s like the major where you read old stuff in latin and stuff

the wolf flavor would fall under classical greek

[Hally]

well if ur town its up to u to carry hally lol

btw roleblock happens BEFORE redirect

so things already looking fucked

how do you know that?

[tutuu]

like if hally was maf/maf with LC

thats impossible? they just hammer amy there easily and they just win

same with hally maf/maf with nanook

i guess from my pov LC can be last solo mafia, and Nanook can be last solo mafia, and Hally can be last solo mafia (just in theory)

[tutuu]

is classical the same as classicism?

am i idiotic for thinking its 2 different stuff?

"how do you know that?" - i asked

[tutuu]

i should just shut my mouth cuz only garbage is coming out of it. sry for existing

[Hally]

is classical the same as classicism?

am i idiotic for thinking its 2 different stuff?

"how do you know that?" - i asked

they refer to the same thing to my knowledge

what exactly did nanook claim as flavor and what exactly did amy claim? [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

ok, because i confirmed that my redirect takes priority over roleblocking if i cross target with the roleblocker

but a third person who was not the person i redirected could roleblock me and then my action would fail because they were not the person i redirected

[Hally]

i should just shut my mouth cuz only garbage is coming out of it. sry for existing

whatever happens it’s just a game in the end

[tutuu]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] if ur 3p tommorrow f3 its gonna be you me and the last maf. holy moly. pls dont quick vote me even tho i am a honorary wolf

amy claimed italian classicism

nanook claimed only italian nothing else

[tutuu]

like hally i already had pre-written posts gloating @ you about how i outsmarted you being w/w with amy, how i forced u to bus each other with my fake red peek and everything.

i even put the yugioh "you just activated my trap card" picture

jesus christ

[Hally]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] full flavor claim please. philosopher, country and school

[Hally]

like hally i already had pre-written posts gloating @ you about how i outsmarted you being w/w with amy, how i forced u to bus each other with my fake red peek and everything.

i even put the yugioh "you just activated my trap card" picture

jesus christ

it’s alright, it happens

ftr i think the game is solved

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

is classical the same as classicism?

am i idiotic for thinking its 2 different stuff?

"how do you know that?" - i asked

they refer to the same thing to my knowledge

what exactly did nanook claim as flavor and what exactly did amy claim? @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

ok, because i confirmed that my redirect takes priority over roleblocking if i cross target with the roleblocker

but a third person who was not the person i redirected could roleblock me and then my action would fail because they were not the person i redirected

I claimed Italian

Before amy did IIRC but you’d have to check

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Machiavelli, Italian political

[Hally]

ok thanks

[tutuu]

god im crying irl

is it dirty that im allowing myself to lean so much on emotion

[tutuu]

i guess i can see master radishes being wolf

nanook coming in day 2, seeing his only remaining wolf buddy (colonialbob) getting red peeked

realizing its 1 v 13 at that point

and him going like YOLO and shooting his ass

[tutuu]

redirector + 2 italian claimants + nationality cop

this shortened my life span by 10 years not even lying

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ftr I’m 80% sure this game is solved

I’m fine with a “Hally redirects nanook to tutu” plan too cause either way it’s solved I think?

[Hally]

so what we know i think is this

there is only one wolf left. if there were two, the game would not continue

tutuu cannot be the final wolf remaining. it is mechanically impossible because i redirected her to amy and nutella died, not amy. this is not even possible if tutuu is jailer or roleblocker, because if she blocked/jailed me i would redirect it so that she was blocking amy. my redirect takes precedence over any block so even in a roleblocker wolf!tutuu world, she is forced to kill amy always. amy lived, nut died. so tutuu is lock town if only one wolf remains

i don’t believe lc is the final wolf. i believe he’s 3P. i believe he’s being truthful. it’s too much of a galaxy brain play for him to fake claim being targeted by the mafia kill before i even claim my redirect. he breadcrumbed several times that he was 3P before he claimed. he has acted like 3P. i choose to believe him

that leaves nanook, the final wolf. nanook is a classical greek philosopher. he is a one-shot dayvig and a roleblocker. this explains amy’s parity check (classicism overlaps). it also explains the kills. nanook has shot into the poe because he has been lock town the whole game and knew that if tutuu died people would wonder why he didn’t follow. so he just decided to pick off the mid tier clears to avoid being completely poe’d out. he could afford to do this because he knew tutuu would never peek him. he roleblocked tutuu two nights ago to stop her from green checking me because he knew he couldn’t win if i was cleared. then he roleblocked amy last night because again, amy could green check me by saying i am not classical. by keeping me from being cleared, he gave himself some path to victory and just let us kill each other the whole time

wolf!nanook is the only thing that makes this game makes sense

[Hally]

Ftr I’m 80% sure this game is solved

I’m fine with a “Hally redirects nanook to tutu” plan too cause either way it’s solved I think?

what is the solve from your pov

[Hally]

Ftr I’m 80% sure this game is solved

I’m fine with a “Hally redirects nanook to tutu” plan too cause either way it’s solved I think?

what is the solve from your pov

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ftr I’m 80% sure this game is solved

I’m fine with a “Hally redirects nanook to tutu” plan too cause either way it’s solved I think?

what is the solve from your pov

I’m pretty sure it’s just tutu, I’m pulling up Amy’s mech compilation to make sure it actually works tho

[tutuu]

tutuu cannot be the final wolf remaining. it is mechanically impossible because i redirected her to amy and nutella died, not amy. this is not even possible if tutuu is jailer or roleblocker, because if she blocked/jailed me i would redirect it so that she was blocking amy. my redirect takes precedence over any block so even in a roleblocker wolf!tutuu world, she is forced to kill amy always. amy lived, nut died. so tutuu is lock town if only one wolf remains

i dont think so hally

if a redirector were attempt to redirect a roleblocker to somewhere else

and the roleblocker manually targeted the redirector

the redirect would get roleblocked

at least from my understanding

(i am town and yes i am arguing its possible im not lock town. cuz maybe i should speak the truth instead of lying like i did)

[tutuu]

tutuu cannot be the final wolf remaining. it is mechanically impossible because i redirected her to amy and nutella died, not amy. this is not even possible if tutuu is jailer or roleblocker, because if she blocked/jailed me i would redirect it so that she was blocking amy. my redirect takes precedence over any block so even in a roleblocker wolf!tutuu world, she is forced to kill amy always. amy lived, nut died. so tutuu is lock town if only one wolf remains

i dont think so hally

if a redirector were attempt to redirect a roleblocker to somewhere else

and the roleblocker manually targeted the redirector

the redirect would get roleblocked

at least from my understanding

(i am town and yes i am arguing its possible im not lock town. cuz maybe i should speak the truth instead of lying like i did)

NO

NO

NO

NO

THIS IS WRONG

REDIRECT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER ROLEBLOCK

I AM ACTUALLY LOCK TOWN HALLY

ily so fucking much holy

[Hally]

tutuu cannot be the final wolf remaining. it is mechanically impossible because i redirected her to amy and nutella died, not amy. this is not even possible if tutuu is jailer or roleblocker, because if she blocked/jailed me i would redirect it so that she was blocking amy. my redirect takes precedence over any block so even in a roleblocker wolf!tutuu world, she is forced to kill amy always. amy lived, nut died. so tutuu is lock town if only one wolf remains

i dont think so hally

if a redirector were attempt to redirect a roleblocker to somewhere else

and the roleblocker manually targeted the redirector

the redirect would get roleblocked

at least from my understanding

(i am town and yes i am arguing its possible im not lock town. cuz maybe i should speak the truth instead of lying like i did)

no, i actually confirmed the order of actions. my redirect takes precedence

if i redirect the roleblocker and they roleblock me, my redirect goes through and their roleblock gets redirected

[Hally]

tutuu cannot be the final wolf remaining. it is mechanically impossible because i redirected her to amy and nutella died, not amy. this is not even possible if tutuu is jailer or roleblocker, because if she blocked/jailed me i would redirect it so that she was blocking amy. my redirect takes precedence over any block so even in a roleblocker wolf!tutuu world, she is forced to kill amy always. amy lived, nut died. so tutuu is lock town if only one wolf remains

i dont think so hally

if a redirector were attempt to redirect a roleblocker to somewhere else

and the roleblocker manually targeted the redirector

the redirect would get roleblocked

at least from my understanding

(i am town and yes i am arguing its possible im not lock town. cuz maybe i should speak the truth instead of lying like i did)

NO

NO

NO

NO

THIS IS WRONG

REDIRECT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER ROLEBLOCK

I AM ACTUALLY LOCK TOWN HALLY

ily so fucking much holy

correct

you are mech clear. game is locked

[tutuu]

im also leaning it to be 99% Nanook Hally (and im peeking him aswell)

but

is there a world where LC is the last mafia Hally?

independently i 3p read him but i dont trust my reads they all suck

[Hally]

im also leaning it to be 99% Nanook Hally (and im peeking him aswell)

but

is there a world where LC is the last mafia Hally?

independently i 3p read him but i dont trust my reads they all suck

i don’t think he can be mafia. i will iso him thoroughly and see if i stand by this, but atm i believe he’s just three 3P

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So N4 and N5 are the complicated nights yeah

Amy - subtract posts from tutuu - succeeds/no parity
NANOOK - N/A
tutuu - peek Hally - fails | loses posts from Amy
Hally - redirect Amy to Long Con [fails via tutuu losing posts from Amy]
Long Con - N/A


This is N4. If Tutu is a JK that targeted Hally, it explains why Amy still targeted tutu instead of being redirected, and sets up tutu’s “Hally must be ascetic” thing later (note that tutu can’t really afford to have a check on Hally here if she’s mafia).

N5 is:

NIGHT 5:
Amy - add posts to Hally - fails
NANOOK - N/A
tutuu - peek Amy - peeks Greek
Hally - redirect tutuu to Amy (who she was already targeting)

If tutu JKs Hally, it explains why amy was unable to get a result from Hally. Which furthers the “Hally is ascetic and lying” narrative. It also stops Hally from redirecting Amy.


So yeh I think it’s probably just tutu as mafia with a JK? She red checks yesterday then walks it back now cause she knows she’s falsely cleared from being a lone scum. She also doesn’t have to worry about redirect tonight presumably and can manipulate night results to “clear” herself. It’s a good play tbh, I’m kind of impressed.


I’m like 80-85% sure this is the solve, idc if I die tonight just follow this

[Hally]

lol “three 3P”

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[mention]Hally[/mention] ask if a JK takes precedence over your redirect

[Hally]

So N4 and N5 are the complicated nights yeah

Amy - subtract posts from tutuu - succeeds/no parity
NANOOK - N/A
tutuu - peek Hally - fails | loses posts from Amy
Hally - redirect Amy to Long Con [fails via tutuu losing posts from Amy]
Long Con - N/A


This is N4. If Tutu is a JK that targeted Hally, it explains why Amy still targeted tutu instead of being redirected, and sets up tutu’s “Hally must be ascetic” thing later (note that tutu can’t really afford to have a check on Hally here if she’s mafia).

N5 is:

NIGHT 5:
Amy - add posts to Hally - fails
NANOOK - N/A
tutuu - peek Amy - peeks Greek
Hally - redirect tutuu to Amy (who she was already targeting)

If tutu JKs Hally, it explains why amy was unable to get a result from Hally. Which furthers the “Hally is ascetic and lying” narrative. It also stops Hally from redirecting Amy.


So yeh I think it’s probably just tutu as mafia with a JK? She red checks yesterday then walks it back now cause she knows she’s falsely cleared from being a lone scum. She also doesn’t have to worry about redirect tonight presumably and can manipulate night results to “clear” herself. It’s a good play tbh, I’m kind of impressed.


I’m like 80-85% sure this is the solve, idc if I die tonight just follow this

can’t be this

if tutuu tried to jail me last night my redirect would take precedence and she’d actually jail amy, which means she’d simultaneously be protecting and killing amy. that would be a no kill or an amy death maybe. but nut died, so it’s impossible. tutuu mechanically could not have killed nut because of the order of actions

also this

Amy - subtract posts from tutuu - succeeds/no parity

is very likely a green check on tutuu. i think all the mafia are classical greek philosophers. so if tutuu were a wolf amy would get a parity on tutuu since they’d both share classicism in that world. but amy got no overlap, so tutuu should be clear from being a wolf this way too

so she’s both clear from my redirect and clear from amy’s check

any other ideas?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ask tony. If a JK. Takes precedence.

[TonyStarkPrime]

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[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wow would you look at that nanook is right again

[Hally]

Wow would you look at that nanook is right again

and how did you know that a jailkeep was treated differently than a roleblock before tony confirmed it?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wow would you look at that nanook is right again

and how did you know that a jailkeep was treated differently than a roleblock before tony confirmed it?

I asked him obviously

[tutuu]

lol

i guess i can be a jk

sorry if we lose because of me

i just made a funny meme again but it might even be wrong but atp i wont be surprised even

[Hally]

Wow would you look at that nanook is right again

and how did you know that a jailkeep was treated differently than a roleblock before tony confirmed it?

I asked him obviously

i believe you

i just believe you asked him because it’s your role and you wanted to know if you could stop my redirect

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like fuck, now you’re scumreading me for being correct and very likely solving the game

What kind of roadrunner painted on a side of the cliff tunnel bullshit is this

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok dude, whatever

I’m fucking tired of being scumread for being right