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Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:47 pm**

I remember your PoE not looking that bad to me outside of the inclusion of Arete.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:47 pm**

Oh yeah, Arete also doesn't play like a sheep as mafia. They can sheep but they don't just afksheep people left and right.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:48 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm @Epignosis why are so you so sure i’m a villager to the point where you offered to let me own your vote? where did that confidence come from?

Why do you question it now? Didn't you lock him as town for it when it happened?

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:49 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:48 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm @Epignosis why are so you so sure i’m a villager to the point where you offered to let me own your vote? where did that confidence come from?
Why do you question it now? Didn't you lock him as town for it when it happened?

Maybe I'll just use emojis to express my opinions going forward.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:50 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:48 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm @Epignosis why are so you so sure i’m a villager to the point where you offered to let me own your vote? where did that confidence come from?
Why do you question it now? Didn't you lock him as town for it when it happened?

because i was tired and not thinking clearly last night and now i want to know

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:50 pm**

I honestly hate the fact I need to do all the defending for Arete, that's definitely terrible. If it was anyone but Arete, I'd PoE them in a heartbeat and I wouldn't complain about them being in PoE.
But it's Arete.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:50 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:44 pm i actually don't have any solid scum read but part of it is because I keep letting myself get pushed off my scum reads and then I'm like

"okay, maybe you know better" because I'm scared of being wrong

i need to learn to drop that

Very nice towny post.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:50 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:44 pm i actually don't have any solid scum read but part of it is because I keep letting myself get pushed off my scum reads and then I'm like

"okay, maybe you know better" because I'm scared of being wrong

i need to learn to drop that
Very nice towny post.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:52 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:48 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm @Epignosis why are so you so sure i’m a villager to the point where you offered to let me own your vote? where did that confidence come from?
Why do you question it now? Didn't you lock him as town for it when it happened?
because i was tired and not thinking clearly last night and now i want to know

I see this as a far more appropriate reaction; you suddenly getting town-shaped googly eyes over a pre-sheep was kind of weird.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:52 pm**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:44 pm i actually don't have any solid scum read but part of it is because I keep letting myself get pushed off my scum reads and then I'm like

"okay, maybe you know better" because I'm scared of being wrong

i need to learn to drop that
Can we compare PoEs real quick? I'll do my best to write a solid TSP case later.

Arete / Wilgy / Epi / TSP / LC

idk somewhere there

I ~could be completely blindsided by Michelle here, I actually think Poison's earlier case on her looked prettay good but, idk. It's kind of the same thing as you and Arete.

I think Michelle is town, but given her meta shift, she may be purposely trying to fool me or something. I'd put a little more stock on your Arete read than mine just because of that fact.

I don't think she's fooling me because if she got a glimpse for what she thought my scum reads on her were based on, she would've corrected it like...A LOT earlier.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:53 pm**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:50 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:44 pm i actually don't have any solid scum read but part of it is because I keep letting myself get pushed off my scum reads and then I'm like

"okay, maybe you know better" because I'm scared of being wrong

i need to learn to drop that
Very nice towny post.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:54 pm**

people that I'd consider PoE'd have more villagery things going for them than scummy things though

I keep putting people in and taking them out.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:54 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:52 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:48 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm @Epignosis why are so you so sure i’m a villager to the point where you offered to let me own your vote? where did that confidence come from?
Why do you question it now? Didn't you lock him as town for it when it happened?
because i was tired and not thinking clearly last night and now i want to know
I see this as a far more appropriate reaction; you suddenly getting town-shaped googly eyes over a pre-sheep was kind of weird.

i mean i don’t exactly expect mafia to sub in and immediately just be like “hally owns my vote.” i’d expect epi would want to retain a bit more agency than that if he’s mafia. but im asking anyway

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:55 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:54 pm people that I'd consider PoE'd have more villagery things going for them than scummy things though

I keep putting people in and taking them out.

mood

this game is very hard to poe down

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:56 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:52 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:44 pm i actually don't have any solid scum read but part of it is because I keep letting myself get pushed off my scum reads and then I'm like

"okay, maybe you know better" because I'm scared of being wrong

i need to learn to drop that
Can we compare PoEs real quick? I'll do my best to write a solid TSP case later.
Arete / Wilgy / Epi / TSP / LC

idk somewhere there

I ~could be completely blindsided by Michelle here, I actually think Poison's earlier case on her looked prettay good but, idk. It's kind of the same thing as you and Arete.

I think Michelle is town, but given her meta shift, she may be purposely trying to fool me or something. I'd put a little more stock on your Arete read than mine just because of that fact.

I don't think she's fooling me because if she got a glimpse for what she thought my scum reads on her were based on, she would've corrected it like...A LOT earlier.

So we have almost exactly the same composition.
Michelle is in that weird spot for me where I think she's town and clear her as such but I feel really dumb about it.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:56 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:34 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:32 pm and then the three left are wilgy/dunya/ash. so that would have to be the team, but i feel like it’s not. but whatever, probably just kill wilgy and go from there
What prompts you to feel it is not?

I really hated this question by the way

like how does this ever help you sort somebody else, like, ever?

what answer are you looking for that'd help you discern Hally's alignment here, lol

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:57 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:55 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:54 pm people that I'd consider PoE'd have more villagery things going for them than scummy things though

I keep putting people in and taking them out.
mood

this game is very hard to poe down

Maybe the current one's correct and we're just arguing with each other like silly townies?
I think that might just be the case.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:59 pm**

it seems like we kind of all want to read michelle town but then also acknowledge we don’t have a good reason to do that

seeing me, ted, 112 and vul all express that same sentiment recently

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:00 pm**

Can the mafia please put down their guns and become town?

And yeah, that seems to be the case. I don't know, I just... think that Michelle has given me plenty of small town pings, which have accumulated into a townread, but it's a townread I can't explain very well.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:00 pm**

the question is does it mean something that all four of us even want to read michelle town at all even though we acknowledge the reasons aren’t strong? like does that make michelle more likely town just because it feels like that? idk

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:00 pm**

I could detour and flip Michelle here, actually

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:03 pm**

is michelle like out of her wolf range though? like idek if she would have 180 posts as a wolf. but maybe im like massively underestimating her

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:03 pm**

meeeeh idk what to say actually lol

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:04 pm**

im just thinking about how she had like 35 posts as a wolf D1 in the finals and going “could she 200 post here”

i mean obviously there’s been a lot more time than just 48 hrs here though

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:04 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:03 pm is michelle like out of her wolf range though? like idek if she would have 180 posts as a wolf. but maybe im like massively underestimating her

I think her pushes are good, I'm not sure if she can match the town hunting style this well.

as I said, mindset is harder to recalibrate.

i dunno

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:05 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:00 pm the question is does it mean something that all four of us even want to read michelle town at all even though we acknowledge the reasons aren’t strong? like does that make michelle more likely town just because it feels like that? idk

I feel like this question doesn't really have a good answer. It could be "we're correct and secondguessing ourselves," or it could be "we're all being fooled because we're doubting our suspicions." It's impossible to tell.
What I know is that I find her less scummy than my primary target of the day, so for now, I think this is fine.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:07 pm**

[VOTE: tony] aubergine

homegrown tomatas take the wheel

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:08 pm**

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:11 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:06 am Maybe others need to go to bed too.
you are a nice person

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:08 pm**

[VOTE: Tony ] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:08 pm**

Hally's avatar just makes me think they're perpetually making the >:( face.
I don't know why I'm sharing this thought.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:09 pm**

I'll wait for the case, Vul

may or may not do some research of my own

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:10 pm**

Tomorrow. It's late here, I just came to chat a little and share immediate thoughts.

Watch the case be a massive disappointment.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:11 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:12 am I feel like scum are barely playing

Been feeling like it ever since night commenced

This feels like an empty observation.

Are the mafia participating enough to determine that the Night 1 kill was a good one, or was that luck?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:14 am Wilgy / 112 / LC / Arete / Epi

Does that have 3?

Aside from Wilgy and perhaps Arete, which of these are "barely playing?"

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:13 pm**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:08 pm Hally's avatar just makes me think they're perpetually making the >:( face.
I don't know why I'm sharing this thought.

im really not except for the exact moment when i wake up

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:15 pm**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:56 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:52 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:44 pm i actually don't have any solid scum read but part of it is because I keep letting myself get pushed off my scum reads and then I'm like

"okay, maybe you know better" because I'm scared of being wrong

i need to learn to drop that
Can we compare PoEs real quick? I'll do my best to write a solid TSP case later.
Arete / Wilgy / Epi / TSP / LC

idk somewhere there

I ~could be completely blindsided by Michelle here, I actually think Poison's earlier case on her looked prettay good but, idk. It's kind of the same thing as you and Arete.

I think Michelle is town, but given her meta shift, she may be purposely trying to fool me or something. I'd put a little more stock on your Arete read than mine just because of that fact.

I don't think she's fooling me because if she got a glimpse for what she thought my scum reads on her were based on, she would've corrected it like...A LOT earlier.
So we have almost exactly the same composition.
Michelle is in that weird spot for me where I think she's town and clear her as such but I feel really dumb about it.

YES

Vulgard town

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:16 pm**

i think that ted/112/vul/me should voltron

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:16 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:00 pm the question is does it mean something that all four of us even want to read michelle town at all even though we acknowledge the reasons aren’t strong? like does that make michelle more likely town just because it feels like that? idk

This sounds like philosophy to me.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:19 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:49 am One cannot drop that which one does not hold in one's hands.

One can drop a sick beat.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:20 pm**

we should probably just nuke all of wilgy/lc/epi/tony/michelle in some order and the re-evaluate once we get a wolf flip in that pool because like, unless wolves are playing amazing, there should be multiple scum in those five. maybe not all, but like... two probably

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:21 pm**

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:16 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:00 pm the question is does it mean something that all four of us even want to read michelle town at all even though we acknowledge the reasons aren’t strong? like does that make michelle more likely town just because it feels like that? idk
This sounds like philosophy to me.

@TonyStarkPrime

Per Aristotle, it’d be nice to think that that what it means (subtext: but it probably doesn’t)

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:22 pm**

Tony and Epi both having their votes on me doesn't sit right.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:23 pm**

And per Kant in every human cognition conceptualization and intuition must be present together; that is, merely intuition w/o reason can never be cognition.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:23 pm**

For the record, I'm likely not keeping my vote on Arete. I just don't know where I'm going to put it next.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:26 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:11 pm This feels like an empty observation.

this feels like an empty observation

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:27 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:13 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:08 pm Hally's avatar just makes me think they're perpetually making the >:( face.
I don't know why I'm sharing this thought.
im really not except for the exact moment when i wake up

Mood??

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:15 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:56 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:52 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:44 pm i actually don't have any solid scum read but part of it is because I keep letting myself get pushed off my scum reads and then I'm like

"okay, maybe you know better" because I'm scared of being wrong

i need to learn to drop that
Can we compare PoEs real quick? I'll do my best to write a solid TSP case later.
Arete / Wilgy / Epi / TSP / LC

idk somewhere there

I ~could be completely blindsided by Michelle here, I actually think Poison's earlier case on her looked prettay good but, idk. It's kind of the same thing as you and Arete.

I think Michelle is town, but given her meta shift, she may be purposely trying to fool me or something. I'd put a little more stock on your Arete read than mine just because of that fact.

I don't think she's fooling me because if she got a glimpse for what she thought my scum reads on her were based on, she would've corrected it like...A LOT earlier.
So we have almost exactly the same composition.
Michelle is in that weird spot for me where I think she's town and clear her as such but I feel really dumb about it.
YES

Vulgard town

Are you saying that's a mindmeld?
...Honestly, if so, that's a towny way to put it.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:16 pm i think that ted/112/vul/me should voltron

What do you mean by "voltron?"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:49 am One cannot drop that which one does not hold in one's hands.
One can drop a sick beat.

This joke is way too aligned with my terrible sense of humor.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:27 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:11 pm This feels like an empty observation.
this feels like an empty observation

Ted is town.

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:29 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:20 pm we should probably just nuke all of wilgy/lc/epi/tony/michelle in some order and the re-evaluate once we get a wolf flip in that pool because like, unless wolves are playing amazing, there should be multiple scum in those five. maybe not all, but like... two probably

like, we need to stop hemming and hawing and just get to doing something. im not killing anyone outside of the above five until/unless we get a wolf flip in these five that implicates someone outside of it

town:
nook
poison

joy tier:
vul
arete

towny:
112
ted
ash

sort/poe pile:
epi
michelle
tony
lc
wilgy

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:29 pm**

Vulgard / Poison / me / Hally / 112 prettay much always town, I think

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:29 pm**

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:30 pm**

are 5 town locks enough for auto

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