The Syndicate

Jack, your issue with Daisy is entirely that you don't like her Marmot interactions, right?

So if we are going wolfhunting at least we have some peeps voting on likely wolves, which is a refreshing change.

[VOTE: Mogh] aubergine

Is the Mog vote based on QuinMog lowposting?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:01 pm Is the Mog vote based on QuinMog lowposting?

No it is based on Flanders/Mogh being the slot we should have chopped yesterday.

Ok, I got replacement mixed up. Ok, I'm on board. [VOTE: mog] aubergine

Current reads:
(I never do rainbow lists because it’s painfully fiddly on phone)

BoKnows: rip

DaisyCloud: her reads seem to come from a townie mindset. She doesn’t always follow logical sense in them, but I don’t think that is necessarily sus

Enrique: prime vig candidate

falcon45ca: probably bad with jack and marmot

Gavial: probably good based on unverifiable tracks but his logical leaps are terrible.

Jackofhearts2005: probably bad with falcon and marmot

Kylemii: I have absolutely no read on Kyle, like usual. I hate it, but I love it. He’s a lock to f10 at this rate because he’s just here, somewhere, adding just enough that we know he’s here but I don’t ever remember what he said. He thinks marmot is bad, which is a good look, but it could also be a bus attempt if marmot is bad.

KZA: cop with 4 hats apparently. No reason to think they’re bad.

Long Con: he has some secrets, like a “note”, and I read him as [secret]
lost monkey: still lost in space. Where is this primate? Cant read him if the pages are blank.

MacDougall: I’ve come back around on him and while he’s not town, he’s not scum to me either. Not a firm town until we actually catch a wolf and I can form connections. Otherwise his reads are a little scattered and I don’t always believe he’s leading town in the right direction. If Mog is bad, Mac looks really good tho.

Made: got green checked, so town, but would love to hear some solving down the line.

Marmot: doesn’t answer questions, nor is he productive as a town member this game. Doesn’t commit to reads, and those that he has are basically sheeps of others; some of his posts read as an alien studying our species trying to fit in.

Nachomamma8: who even are you besides not my mom. Another prime vig candidate.

Quin/Radish: gonna give them some time to put on their bib and partake in the buffet. Otherwise, I got nothing. I like his entrance, but that’s all I got.

Stupid Sexy Flanders/Mog: nothing they have done so far is inspiring. Not the top of my list of players to lynch today, despite what I said in twilight yesterday. Need to do more digging into Flanders’ posts. If he becomes a big train near eod I wouldn’t be opposed, and I would at the very least be following Mac, Tim and LC who were more committed to his lynch yesterday.

Timsup2nothin: I’m not ruling out that he could be a wolf in Canadian clothing, but I’m not in a rush to go that route as of yet. Too early to throw one of our potentially big town voices into the fire.

TonyStarkPrime: voting me for some reason. Null read, maybe town? Needs to contribute more. Was disappointed that he didn’t do diddly squat yesterday off the poll.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:35 pm Like imagine yeeting a townie on purpose and you end up preventing something stupid like the wolves gain a two shot track.

Now imagine yeeting a townie on purpose to stop the wolves from getting a dope power like a one shot vig. Guess what? Still not as powerful as a free misyeet.

BKs gonna die whether he's lynched or Razor'd I'd say, agree?


If he dies via Razor, town loses even more, right? Possibly another kill?


I agree, mislynching a townie is garbage, but I don't know what to do.

I have a suggestion. Now, this may sound crazy but hear me out.

We should try to yeet a wolf.

Counterproposal:

we yeet for INFO

as a dear friend once told me an info lynch is a lynch for info

@Jackofhearts2005 imma reply to your post once I get home and after I get cleaned up and eat my late supper okay?

can me and someone be masons with me? we can talk via emotes here in game thread. I just want someone to understand the words coming out of my mouth and explain to me what some players here are saying.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:23 pm can me and someone be masons with me? we can talk via emotes here in game thread. I just want someone to understand the words coming out of my mouth and explain to me what some players here are saying.

Remember that time we talked at the bar? Good times

Jack is pushing hard on Daisy for her Marmot interactions. Could be a setup if he's bad with Marmot, I do like that.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:23 pm can me and someone be masons with me? we can talk via emotes here in game thread. I just want someone to understand the words coming out of my mouth and explain to me what some players here are saying.

Your exasperation with Jack led me to look deeper into his accusations against you. Even when I read his big multiquote of why he suspects you, I barely came away with more than "her Marmot interactions", and I think that's suspicious.

I can't be your mason, but I think I understand you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:51 pm Jack, your issue with Daisy is entirely that you don't like her Marmot interactions, right?

That’s like a quarter of it.

I’ve laid out the whole thing in one post like 30 posts ago.

I have a scum team in mind. 3p is ?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:51 pm Jack, your issue with Daisy is entirely that you don't like her Marmot interactions, right?

That’s like a quarter of it.

I’ve laid out the whole thing in one post like 30 posts ago.

Yeah, I read it. That was not a quarter of it, rather substantially more.

My reading might be sloppy. Gimme the bare-bones of it, not a wall of quotes. Do not use the word 'Marmot'.

My scum team:

Falcon
Daisy
Mogh
-----
then idk maybe marmot, macdougall

well lost monkey and nachoman are being brutal so idk

aaahhh ffffuuck

I've mostly given up on trying to catch up at this point. My goal this day phase is to be more of a presence regardless - if I have an excess of time I'll spend time reading but there's no way in hell that I'll have time to post the fruits of labor in thread.

As far as information that I have but really isn't useful, there is an unlockable kill in play that isn't Mehrunes Razor because I attempted to protect Syn last night and hosts confirmed that it registered but Syn is still dead.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:44 pm My scum team:

Falcon
Daisy
Mogh
-----
then idk maybe marmot, macdougall

Why do you suspect Daisy? Why do you suspect the Flanders slot?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:39 pm Jack is pushing hard on Daisy for her Marmot interactions. Could be a setup if he's bad with Marmot, I do like that.

‘Twas my thinking as well

Sees the writing on the wall for marmot, feels he needs to find a scapegoat that looks suspicious. Laying those seeds early, mr. farmer

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:23 pm can me and someone be masons with me? we can talk via emotes here in game thread. I just want someone to understand the words coming out of my mouth and explain to me what some players here are saying.

This seems like a genuine post to me. I wish that I could be your mason but unfortunately don't really know what's going on. I'll let you know if that changes anytime soon.

Scotty was also a townread of mine from what little I got through early here. I see a lot of sentiment against Jack because of Daisy push which I'd like to agree with but townies can have bad reads so I don't like that as the cornerstone of a case. I would love if someone could explain the KZA claim to me because multiple green checks with the scum team having an unblockable kill is wonky. Unless someone blocked me but still multiple green checks is wonky.

I'm starting my vote on Enrique for now since that was my vanity vote from yesterday, getting bad vibes. I'll endeavor to do better depending on who decides to pop their head in today.

3750

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:55 pm Scotty was also a townread of mine from what little I got through early here. I see a lot of sentiment against Jack because of Daisy push which I'd like to agree with but townies can have bad reads so I don't like that as the cornerstone of a case. I would love if someone could explain the KZA claim to me because multiple green checks with the scum team having an unblockable kill is wonky. Unless someone blocked me but still multiple green checks is wonky.

The coincidink about KZA’s green check is the claim that one is a definite green check shrine and the other was a random ability that *happened* to be another green check

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:47 pm aaahhh ffffuuck

Literally Shakespeare over here

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:49 pm As far as information that I have but really isn't useful, there is an unlockable kill in play that isn't Mehrunes Razor because I attempted to protect Syn last night and hosts confirmed that it registered but Syn is still dead.

Well that’s mighty interesting.

It sounds like mafia are pooling their resources together with shrines to make lemonade. I’d gander some sort of strongman shrine plus NK, and razor plus janitor shrine.

The longer we allow mafia to be a tight 5 the easier it is for them to run the table with powers

I read Jack's case on Daisy. I don't understand the meat on it other than "Daisy has weird interactions with Marmot" and noted that he didn't outline those weird interactions with Marmot. I agree that Daisy voting off Qwags when Qwags was her main suspicion was weird but disagree that it was scum motivated and don't understand how that's a sticking point in a case when Qwags flipped town.

Jack, if you want my support in this (which is easily purchased because again don't know shit that's going on), need you to do a better job of handholding here. Also don't know why you aren't pushing Marmot over Daisy here if you think there's scum together when there seems to be considerably more support for Marmot unless I'm misreading the room.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:56 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:55 pm Scotty was also a townread of mine from what little I got through early here. I see a lot of sentiment against Jack because of Daisy push which I'd like to agree with but townies can have bad reads so I don't like that as the cornerstone of a case. I would love if someone could explain the KZA claim to me because multiple green checks with the scum team having an unblockable kill is wonky. Unless someone blocked me but still multiple green checks is wonky.

The coincidink about KZA’s green check is the claim that one is a definite green check shrine and the other was a random ability that *happened* to be another green check

I know that Made is one green check - who was the other?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:51 pm Jack, your issue with Daisy is entirely that you don't like her Marmot interactions, right?

That’s like a quarter of it.

I’ve laid out the whole thing in one post like 30 posts ago.

Yeah, I read it. That was not a quarter of it, rather substantially more.

My reading might be sloppy. Gimme the bare-bones of it, not a wall of quotes. Do not use the word 'Marmot'.

Daisy went off wagon in spite of having main wagon suspects. When pressed on why, her answer made no sense.

She also through out a wolf team, seemingly at random, which included me and the player I was voting, who turned out to be town. Afterwards, there was no re-eval on me.

Syn and I both pointed out that her worldbuilding and excuse for going for a vanity wagon instead of voting her scumreads yesterday. Then, Syn died and Daisy repeatedly said I was accusing her without reasoning.

Daisy then quoted my (real) readlist and said she thought I didn’t really believe my reads because I hadn’t interacted with ??? all that much or discussed them, either. I pointed out how I got to each of my reads or when I had discussed each of these reads at length previously. Daisy ignored this and continued with her lines “Jack’s reads are made up and I have no idea why he suspects me” while getting super pissy and passive aggressive.

Is it possible Daisy is a townie with poorly thought out reads who is ignoring a bunch of my posts by mistake and then getting all tilted because she legit doesn’t get it? Sure. But it sure reads like someone who isn’t actually hunting and who finds ATE easier than actually addressing inconsistencies or holes in her accusations.

There is a some reason to think Daisy is teamed with Nacho and/or Marmot but that’s secondary to Daisy’s actual super scummy behavior and mostly comes in the form of me being okay with yeeting Marmot over Daisy (even though I suspect Daisy more) if others agree there is teammate potential. Daisy was my top suspect long before I isoed Marmot and noticed that his interactions with Daisy were off.

marmot.... made, macdouga, moghedian, master radishes now? 5 "M" names. 5 players. 5 players in the mafia, mafia has 5 letters in it. the mafia has 5 players in it. mafia starts with the letter m, can't be a coincidence, m starts with mafia

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:56 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:55 pm Scotty was also a townread of mine from what little I got through early here. I see a lot of sentiment against Jack because of Daisy push which I'd like to agree with but townies can have bad reads so I don't like that as the cornerstone of a case. I would love if someone could explain the KZA claim to me because multiple green checks with the scum team having an unblockable kill is wonky. Unless someone blocked me but still multiple green checks is wonky.

The coincidink about KZA’s green check is the claim that one is a definite green check shrine and the other was a random ability that *happened* to be another green check

I know that Made is one green check - who was the other?

Well, Syn, who I assume you protected..because they were green checked

Syn died because Syn was cleared IIRC so using that death as a boon to your Daisy case is silly. Townies also provide bad reason pretty consistently and I don't see the scum motivation behind what you're pointing out wrt her, but I kind of like the way you're pushing now.

Why aren't you voting Marmot who seems to very obviously have more significant support behind it?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:05 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:56 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:55 pm Scotty was also a townread of mine from what little I got through early here. I see a lot of sentiment against Jack because of Daisy push which I'd like to agree with but townies can have bad reads so I don't like that as the cornerstone of a case. I would love if someone could explain the KZA claim to me because multiple green checks with the scum team having an unblockable kill is wonky. Unless someone blocked me but still multiple green checks is wonky.

The coincidink about KZA’s green check is the claim that one is a definite green check shrine and the other was a random ability that *happened* to be another green check

I know that Made is one green check - who was the other?

Well, Syn, who I assume you protected..because they were green checked

Okay. I saw people saying that Syn was cleared but I didn't know how.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:01 pm I read Jack's case on Daisy. I don't understand the meat on it other than "Daisy has weird interactions with Marmot" and noted that he didn't outline those weird interactions with Marmot. I agree that Daisy voting off Qwags when Qwags was her main suspicion was weird but disagree that it was scum motivated and don't understand how that's a sticking point in a case when Qwags flipped town.

Jack, if you want my support in this (which is easily purchased because again don't know shit that's going on), need you to do a better job of handholding here. Also don't know why you aren't pushing Marmot over Daisy here if you think there's scum together when there seems to be considerably more support for Marmot unless I'm misreading the room.

I’m fine with yeeting Marmot->Daisy

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:46 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:42 pm @DaisyCloud who is mafia

Idk tbph. my brain is fried and idk what to think about alot of plsyers.

I don't like how Gavial suss me for 0 reasons. but does it make him Mafia? i don't get his 0 people visiting u either.

what does that mean for my read on you?

what is going on with bo sussing mac? why isn't he sussing u and tim?

Answering the stuff that pertains to me:

Gavial is almost certainly telling the truth about watching me and seeing no visitors. It would be a really risky and poor play to lie about that. I don't think it's alignment-indicative but I doubt he made it up.

Bo isn't suspecting me or Tim because we made it clear we were fake claiming his artifact to try and draw a razor shot. I don't know why Bo suspects the people he does unfortunately.

Enrique, what are your thoughts? Or are you just going to stand by and watch forever?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:02 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:41 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:51 pm Jack, your issue with Daisy is entirely that you don't like her Marmot interactions, right?

That’s like a quarter of it.

I’ve laid out the whole thing in one post like 30 posts ago.

Yeah, I read it. That was not a quarter of it, rather substantially more.

My reading might be sloppy. Gimme the bare-bones of it, not a wall of quotes. Do not use the word 'Marmot'.

Daisy went off wagon in spite of having main wagon suspects. When pressed on why, her answer made no sense.

She also through out a wolf team, seemingly at random, which included me and the player I was voting, who turned out to be town. Afterwards, there was no re-eval on me.

Syn and I both pointed out that her worldbuilding and excuse for going for a vanity wagon instead of voting her scumreads yesterday. Then, Syn died and Daisy repeatedly said I was accusing her without reasoning.

Daisy then quoted my (real) readlist and said she thought I didn’t really believe my reads because I hadn’t interacted with ??? all that much or discussed them, either. I pointed out how I got to each of my reads or when I had discussed each of these reads at length previously. Daisy ignored this and continued with her lines “Jack’s reads are made up and I have no idea why he suspects me” while getting super pissy and passive aggressive.

Is it possible Daisy is a townie with poorly thought out reads who is ignoring a bunch of my posts by mistake and then getting all tilted because she legit doesn’t get it? Sure. But it sure reads like someone who isn’t actually hunting and who finds ATE easier than actually addressing inconsistencies or holes in her accusations.

There is a some reason to think Daisy is teamed with Nacho and/or Marmot but that’s secondary to Daisy’s actual super scummy behavior and mostly comes in the form of me being okay with yeeting Marmot over Daisy (even though I suspect Daisy more) if others agree there is teammate potential. Daisy was my top suspect long before I isoed Marmot and noticed that his interactions with Daisy were off.

I will say that the most suspicious thing about Daisy to me is her inability to plant a vote on anybody.

Like, even right now.

I don’t know if it’s a commitment thing, and I don’t know if it’s just something she does in games.

Can anyone speak to her town games and is that usually how she operates?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:06 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:01 pm I read Jack's case on Daisy. I don't understand the meat on it other than "Daisy has weird interactions with Marmot" and noted that he didn't outline those weird interactions with Marmot. I agree that Daisy voting off Qwags when Qwags was her main suspicion was weird but disagree that it was scum motivated and don't understand how that's a sticking point in a case when Qwags flipped town.

Jack, if you want my support in this (which is easily purchased because again don't know shit that's going on), need you to do a better job of handholding here. Also don't know why you aren't pushing Marmot over Daisy here if you think there's scum together when there seems to be considerably more support for Marmot unless I'm misreading the room.

I’m fine with yeeting Marmot->Daisy

Okay. I'm now voting Marmot. Care to join me?

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:05 pm Syn died because Syn was cleared IIRC so using that death as a boon to your Daisy case is silly. Townies also provide bad reason pretty consistently and I don't see the scum motivation behind what you're pointing out wrt her, but I kind of like the way you're pushing now.

Why aren't you voting Marmot who seems to very obviously have more significant support behind it?

Syn also suspected Marmot.

It wasn’t made especially clear but not saying “Syn died specifically because Daisy is a wolf.”

I’m saying “Syn agreed with what I’m saying and we all know Syn was town and trying hard.”

But I’m also saying “Maybe Syn died in part because Daisy and Marmot are both wolves.”

I haven't seen Daisy wolf but she gives me the same all-over-the-place feelings she did in a previous town game I played with her.

Whoever claimed Volundrung yesterday is almost certainly town as well.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:04 pm marmot.... made, macdouga, moghedian, master radishes now? 5 "M" names. 5 players. 5 players in the mafia, mafia has 5 letters in it. the mafia has 5 players in it. mafia starts with the letter m, can't be a coincidence, m starts with mafia

wolf team is Moghedien, Marmot, Daisy, Scotty, then some random slanker

and no I didn't put any thought in to this I just wanted to join all the people forming full wolf teams when we have 0 red flips

i'm struggling

i can't figure out which part of day 2 i didn't read