Cartomancy [Game Over]

[Sabiplz]

The people that look bad after creature non flip:

Tutuu

Jack

Jack honestly looks worse because he tried to. Kill every sig wagon and was pushing creature so hard to wagon creature that it wasn't even misguided town.

Tutuu defense of creature seems kinda twtbaw. It's too blatant idk.

[Bereft]

We should turbo Creature again. Hard agree.

Kills wagonomics but who cares.

[DrWilgy]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

[robyn]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

[Sabiplz]

We should turbo Creature again. Hard agree.

Kills wagonomics but who cares.

Fair.

I don't want to waste a day esp since this game doesn't have hammers.

We know he's outted.

[Sabiplz]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

So why Mac

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

[Bereft]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Mhm

[DrWilgy]

mac dies today, period

Why? This doesn’t make any sense

We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

This is dumb and very mafia sided

Good argument.

[robyn]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

So why Mac

my hands are tied

[DrWilgy]

Noted that Wilgy sniped Creature last minute. Head empty.

Yeah, knew shenanigans were afoot and Sig wasn't going to overtake.

If Sig overtook at that point it was due to a massive wolf swing.

There was a slim possibility of that happening in the chaos, but who knows how close we are to lylo at this point, so I didn't want potential swings to occur.

[DrWilgy]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

[sig]

creature being zealot does not make sense in light of seanzie's posts at the end of the day yesterday unless seanzie was going out of his way to troll, which i don't think he would do

Explain to me anyother situation where he wouldn’t be voted off

[Dennis]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

What's thunderdoming

[sig]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

[sig]

And if you can chain together people from Mac give us someone on the down trace chain to go for first

[Jackofhearts2005]

i don't think creature was the zealot, but i do think he is mafia

no, i don't believe creature was zealot

I want to believe this because it would make me feel less stupid so….explain plz.

[sig]

We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

[DrWilgy]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

[robyn]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

[Dennis]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

[sig]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

Okay now prove it.

[robyn]

We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

i'm 50% that you're mafia lol

[sig]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

[DrWilgy]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

[sig]

We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

i'm 50% that you're mafia lol

Which you’ve thought since day 1 since I refuse you sheep you.

You’re an extremely bias IC this game and you can’t vaguely claim mech info to get everyone to do whay you want especially when we can all see what your role is

[Jackofhearts2005]

We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

Feels like a wolf play.

[DrWilgy]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

Alright, so Oracle can claim.

No one has CC'd legitimately.

Either the Oracle is trolling or Lucy is trolling, but until there's a legitimate CC, I have no reason to think Lucy would take over the game for no discernable reason. I'd say this is the heaviest the hand has been and that means something.

[robyn]

We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

i'm 50% that you're mafia lol

Which you’ve thought since day 1 since I refuse you sheep you.

You’re an extremely bias IC this game and you can’t vaguely claim mech info to get everyone to do whay you want especially when we can all see what your role is

i can't be more explicit than i believe one in you porscha is zealot and that i believe one in mac/spf pulled the judgement card

[sig]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips

[DrWilgy]

We continue on Sig.

Wolves went out of their way to push us off their teammate and into the Zealot.

Also SPF will also do. Creature being their prime suspect since d1 argument feels kinda moot.

Feels like a wolf play.

lol Jack trolling me at this point.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

Yeah, Wilgy is basically always a wolf. K.

[DrWilgy]

Did 3 members of scum join the thread, say "Wilgy is wolfing" with no explanation or argument back to back?

What a wild world.

[robyn]

i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

[sig]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

Alright, so Oracle can claim.

No one has CC'd legitimately.

Either the Oracle is trolling or Lucy is trolling, but until there's a legitimate CC, I have no reason to think Lucy would take over the game for no discernable reason. I'd say this is the heaviest the hand has been and that means something.

The oracle did claim?

I’m not saying she isn’t the oracle I’m saying there’s no reason to listen to her.

Also have you been paying attention? She’s tried to take over the game since day 1. The majority of the player base minus the wolfy players are ignoring her.

[robyn]

i'd like to repeat that i believe creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

fixed

[robyn]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

Alright, so Oracle can claim.

No one has CC'd legitimately.

Either the Oracle is trolling or Lucy is trolling, but until there's a legitimate CC, I have no reason to think Lucy would take over the game for no discernable reason. I'd say this is the heaviest the hand has been and that means something.

The oracle did claim?

I’m not saying she isn’t the oracle I’m saying there’s no reason to listen to her.

Also have you been paying attention? She’s tried to take over the game since day 1. The majority of the player base minus the wolfy players are ignoring her.

look how that went lmao

[sig]

i'd like to repeat that i believe creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

fixed

If you think he’s not the zealot but mafia why aren’t we getting him out today?

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

intent to thunderdome today

holy shit i hope youre mafia

Why? This is a waste of a post. Explain data, argue with me on the subject.

If I missed how make it clear, otherwise continue to be wolf.

sorry, i don't mean to be snippy. i reacted that way because:

1. i don't understand why you believe that creature being mafia (even in a world where he is zealot) points to sig being mafia. to me, the amount of friction between the creature and the sig wagons yesterday indicates the opposite to me, and i think that sig might be spewed town from the way the EOD played out

2. your argument on sig being mafia seemed to hinge partially on creature being the zealot, when there is a clear reason why he is not the zealot that i expected other people to have picked up

3. the implication that pushing on tutuu is wolfsiding when tutuu is the singular player in this game who has worked overtime to try to protect creature from being eliminated

[DrWilgy]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips

Sean said he'd bet his life the Creature wasn't the Zealot yesterday.

Did I miss something or is this just nonsense?

[Bereft]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

So both Mac and SPF? Is this entirely based on Seanzie dying?

[staypositivefriend]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

well thanks for giving me a reason to ignore everything you say today

i dont care that youre town, youre playing badly if you are letting mechanics get in the way of basic scumhunting. you should know that i'm not mafia and i doubt that mac is mafia either

[sig]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips

Sean said he'd bet his life the Creature wasn't the Zealot yesterday.

Did I miss something or is this just nonsense?

Oh I thought he bet his life he was oops.

Well the rest of my point still stands

[robyn]

i'd like to repeat that i believe creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

fixed

If you think he’s not the zealot but mafia why aren’t we getting him out today?

cause i'm more confident on mac/spf both being mafia, nothing will happen until they die, furthermore i think there's a solid chance that creature is in fact town just because they want to waste another day and get another ML

[DrWilgy]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

I’m not listening to you sorry.

Good 'why' there mate.

I explained in the follow on post but have very clearly sinfe d1 stacked out the IC has no more say than anyone else.

The fact you’re so willingly to blindly follow them is way outside your town meta

Alright, so Oracle can claim.

No one has CC'd legitimately.

Either the Oracle is trolling or Lucy is trolling, but until there's a legitimate CC, I have no reason to think Lucy would take over the game for no discernable reason. I'd say this is the heaviest the hand has been and that means something.

The oracle did claim?

I’m not saying she isn’t the oracle I’m saying there’s no reason to listen to her.

Also have you been paying attention? She’s tried to take over the game since day 1. The majority of the player base minus the wolfy players are ignoring her.

look how that went lmao

This

[Jackofhearts2005]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

Oh yeah probably this.

Kinda want to yeet creature again lol

[staypositivefriend]

jesus christ lucy

[sig]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

well thanks for giving me a reason to ignore everything you say today

i dont care that youre town, youre playing badly if you are letting mechanics get in the way of basic scumhunting. you should know that i'm not mafia and i doubt that mac is mafia either

I’ve got more thoughts on this but imma wait for the 24 hour mark and to see Macs post

[Bereft]

We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

i'm 50% that you're mafia lol

Which you’ve thought since day 1 since I refuse you sheep you.

You’re an extremely bias IC this game and you can’t vaguely claim mech info to get everyone to do whay you want especially when we can all see what your role is

i can't be more explicit than i believe one in you porscha is zealot and that i believe one in mac/spf pulled the judgement card

Oh. Somehow I thought that the way a hang was blocked was through some other power that mafia could use.

[Jackofhearts2005]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

well thanks for giving me a reason to ignore everything you say today

i dont care that youre town, youre playing badly if you are letting mechanics get in the way of basic scumhunting. you should know that i'm not mafia and i doubt that mac is mafia either

Mac was pretty damn wolfy yesterday tbh