The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:55 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:54 pm No idea why Creature is off me after seeming so sure I was a hit

There are plenty of players I can see being a hit here and I thought IAWY was getting too little attention.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:56 pm**

I'm gonna have a breakdown if people don't stop changing their read on me

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:57 pm**

People who have played the most games with me are not voting me and have been townreading me. With random exceptions

But creature has been fairly mixed in reading me. Michelle has always been terrible at that (I'm sorry), and then the rest of my detractors. Hardly have played with them. They don't know me

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:57 pm**

Still think your wagon has more players I trust to be better wolfhunters and hence why I am seeing you as potentially a hit due to the members on your wagon as opposed to the Dennis wagon sans Seanzie.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:57 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:56 pm I'm gonna have a breakdown if people don't stop changing their read on me

Why

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:57 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:52 pm HK/Nutella/sig/urist/pyxxy/Dyslexicon/DrWifgly/ilario/112 and ofc Master Radishes are my choices for a good POE

With Sabi and Neon being people I could see myself maybe seeing... Maybe

Why are nut, dizzy and wilgy in your Poe?

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:58 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:56 pm I'm gonna have a breakdown if people don't stop changing their read on me

I mean, you've been one of the most talked about players and at this point you're likely gonna have to be resolved soon so town can determine whether your wagon was likelier town motivated or likelier wolf motivated.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:00 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:56 pm I'm gonna have a breakdown if people don't stop changing their read on me
I mean, you've been one of the most talked about players and at this point you're likely gonna have to be resolved soon so town can determine whether your wagon was likelier town motivated or likelier wolf motivated.

I know I'm ridiculously OS but I HATE this point of view.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:00 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:57 pm People who have played the most games with me are not voting me and have been townreading me. With random exceptions

But creature has been fairly mixed in reading me. Michelle has always been terrible at that (I'm sorry), and then the rest of my detractors. Hardly have played with them. They don't know me

I have Dizzy very villagery from the posts i read, and i remember you had a read on him as being 3rd.
A townie is focusing on wolves not 3ds so here is a problem who makes me think you have a wolf mindset

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:03 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:43 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:25 amlol 18 pages
Coming back to 58 pages tho.

It keeps habbening lol

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:03 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:00 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:56 pm I'm gonna have a breakdown if people don't stop changing their read on me
I mean, you've been one of the most talked about players and at this point you're likely gonna have to be resolved soon so town can determine whether your wagon was likelier town motivated or likelier wolf motivated.
I know I'm ridiculously OS but I HATE this point of view.

Yeah, I find it pretty unfair to be in this position but sometimes it's needed to sort your alignment so town can tell what wolves were doing yesterday. For example, Cape90 and Dennis being v/v, w/v, v/w or w/w is very determinant on how town will perceive the alignment of the players who were wagoning one of them or neither of them.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:04 pm**

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:57 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:56 pm I'm gonna have a breakdown if people don't stop changing their read on me
Why

Because it's pretty suspicious. Make up your mind, for example party crasher had seemingly no reason to say that but here we are

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:04 pm**

Also it's always gonna be inevitable someone will pop up some thought like "what if we were right on Dennis D1 but then decided to ignore him for other players?"

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:04 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:56 pm I'm gonna have a breakdown if people don't stop changing their read on me
I mean, you've been one of the most talked about players and at this point you're likely gonna have to be resolved soon so town can determine whether your wagon was likelier town motivated or likelier wolf motivated.

But why does that mean they are changing their mind?

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:05 pm**

ppl change their reads

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:06 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:04 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:58 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:56 pm I'm gonna have a breakdown if people don't stop changing their read on me
I mean, you've been one of the most talked about players and at this point you're likely gonna have to be resolved soon so town can determine whether your wagon was likelier town motivated or likelier wolf motivated.
But why does that mean they are changing their mind?

They're right now shifting between two views: they either were right on you or they were wrong on you. When someone gets wagoned for most of the day players will always have this lingering thought of: "what if it was right?" or "what if it was wrong?".

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:05 pm ppl change their reads

Then what made you change your read

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:05 pm ppl change their reads

I mean... Town do.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm**

I am prolly staying on Inawordyes aorn. They seemed pretty unimpressive afair.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm**

The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:08 pm**

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:05 pm ppl change their reads
Then what made you change your read

you are resigned to dying, i think youd fight back harder if u were mafia based off seeing u play as mafia

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:08 pm**

VC

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I will have to sleep at one moment (eod at 2 am is impossible today unfortunatelyl, please keep the VCs and ping me with them (any town who wants to help, please)

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:10 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:54 pm No idea why Creature is off me after seeming so sure I was a hit

the impression I get from the thread's non-reaction to it is that creature is just like this

if someone feels that creature is not "just like this" you should probably speak up because that might help put an alignment on creature

especially after lucy was like (and I understand the subtext of me doing something with lucy's legacy):

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:07 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:05 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:02 pm one part of me is tempted to not give creature my semi formed worldview, the other part of me thinks if i watch him be lost for an entire cycle his alignment will be obvious

the question is which to do
I'm confused are you saying that explaining your thought process would make him more lost?

and you think he would actually engage with you in either case?
me not explaining my thoughts to him would make him more lost

it's obv to find villagers in their own corners, so giving him my worldview isn't really in either of our best interests

he would engage with me and he would listen to me

want a tin foil hat for who shot lucy? my vote's on creature figuratively and literally

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:10 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:08 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:05 pm ppl change their reads
Then what made you change your read
you are resigned to dying, i think youd fight back harder if u were mafia based off seeing u play as mafia

I thought Dennis was fighting back already?

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:11 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:00 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:57 pm People who have played the most games with me are not voting me and have been townreading me. With random exceptions

But creature has been fairly mixed in reading me. Michelle has always been terrible at that (I'm sorry), and then the rest of my detractors. Hardly have played with them. They don't know me
I have Dizzy very villagery from the posts i read, and i remember you had a read on him as being 3rd.
A townie is focusing on wolves not 3ds so here is a problem who makes me think you have a wolf mindset

I just labeled some people who hardly done anything AI at the time as 3p. Dizzy had only posted when I made that read like a couple of times. I have updated my read since then. They are a weaker wolflean, but their progression on me and Dennis seemed pretty bleh. I also just haven't agreed with some stuff they put out like the IAWY sus (though I appreciate it was more fleshed out).

Check how quick dizzy flipped on me. It was pretty forced and bad feeling

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:12 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE

Vote for Sabi then. If she doesn't get more votes soon I'm switching back to you

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:13 pm**

The most basic read on IAWY I can make is he has been underwhelming but towny.

IAWY is usually underwhelming

So that leaves me with he's been towny

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:15 pm**

GTG gonna enjoy my day unlike the mafia who hope I do not say more

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:20 pm**

VC - 2.75 hours left in D1

sorted by votes for descending, alphabetical for ties, and only people with 1+ votes:

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everything unedited

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:21 pm**

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:12 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE
Vote for Sabi then. If she doesn't get more votes soon I'm switching back to you

Case sabi

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:21 pm**

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:20 pm VC - 2.75 hours left in D1

sorted by votes for descending, alphabetical for ties, and only people with 1+ votes:
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Cape90, 7
___Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Le petit poussin, Kate, nutella, Alison, EnderWiggin, Michelle

Dennis, 5
___Voters: Guillotine, Neon, Seanzie, sig, falcon45ca

Inawordyes, 5
___Voters: Scotty, Creature, Master Radishes, Party Crasher, Sabiplz

Sabiplz, 3
___Voters: Lilypetal, Urist, Dyslexicon

Guillotine, 2
___Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Golden

pyxxy, 2
___Voters: MacDougall, ilario

Alison, 1
___Voters: 112

Creature, 1
___Voters: pyxxy

EnderWiggin, 1
___Voters: Inawordyes

Ilario, 1
___Voters: Sloonei

MacDougall, 1
___Voters: Dennis

master radishes, 1
___Voters: Cape90

Party Crasher, 1
___Voters: hollowkatt

Seanzie, 1
___Voters: Marmot

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112, 0
Voters: None

Alison, 1
Voters: 112

Cape90, 7
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Le petit poussin, Kate, nutella, Alison, EnderWiggin, Michelle

Creature, 1
Voters: pyxxy

Dennis, 5
Voters: Guillotine, Neon, Seanzie, sig, falcon45ca

DrWilgy, 0
Voters: None

Dyslexicon, 0
Voters: None

EnderWiggin, 1
Voters: Inawordyes

falcon45ca, 0
Voters: None

Golden, 0
Voters: None

Guillotine, 2
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Golden

hollowkatt, 0
Voters: None

Ilario, 1
Voters: Sloonei

Inawordyes, 5
Voters: Scotty, Creature, Master Radishes, Party Crasher, Sabiplz

Kate, 0
Voters: None

Le petit poussin, 0
Voters: None

Lilypetal, 0
Voters: None

lucy, 0
Voters: None

MacDougall, 1
Voters: Dennis

Marmot, 0
Voters: None

master radishes, 1
Voters: Cape90

Michelle, 0
Voters: None

Neon, 0
Voters: None

Nutella, 0
Voters: None

Party Crasher, 1
Voters: hollowkatt

Porscha, 0
Voters: None

pyxxy, 2
Voters: MacDougall, ilario

RondoDimBuckle, 0
Voters: None

S~V~S, 0
Voters: None

Sabiplz, 3
Voters: Lilypetal, Urist, Dyslexicon

Scotty, 0
Voters: None

Seanzie, 1
Voters: Marmot

sig, 0
Voters: None

Sloonei, 0
Voters: None

TonyStarkPrime, 0
Voters: None

Urist, 0
Voters: None

No vote/unvote, 0
Voters: None

Sleep, 0
Voters: None

EBWOP (missed 112 voting for Alison)

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:23 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE

I dont get this and i find sabi scummy cape

- dz

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:23 pm**

I think cape is a bad elim but I don’t have time or energy to really lead a charge against it.

But I think the cape reads list is strong (in terms of likelihood to be genuine) and I think arguments that townies don’t hunt for 3P is objectively false.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:27 pm**

I still hold a vague town read on Cape.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:28 pm**

I’ll just [VOTE: inawordyes] aubergine I guess. I don’t know why people are doing this, but I don’t feel compelled to vote for the other two leading wagons and I’m about to be out for the remainder of the phase.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:36 pm**

hollowkatt town
-tutuu

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:38 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:15 pm GTG gonna enjoy my day unlike the mafia who hope I do not say more

self pres on iawy @Cape90

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:43 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:21 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:12 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE
Vote for Sabi then. If she doesn't get more votes soon I'm switching back to you
Case sabi

Too late I already switched my vote to you sry

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:48 pm**

I do feel like sabi is laying low here tho

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:49 pm**

What's the coolest new wagon I could make?

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:50 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:49 pm What's the coolest new wagon I could make?

I have no idea tbh

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:51 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:49 pm What's the coolest new wagon I could make?

Go for the most unexpected target - yourself

They'll never see it coming

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:51 pm**

I will try to back read a little

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:53 pm**

Sup, can someone tl,dr me the case on Iawy pls?

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:53 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:49 pm What's the coolest new wagon I could make?

Neon would be fine but I doubt it'll get traction

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:53 pm**

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:23 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE
I dont get this and i find sabi scummy cape

- dz

I have just played with Sabi when Sabi was scum. This is a somewhatish scummy Sabi, but not in the way Sabi was in that game. I am not seeing their bury a player meta though that I see as town them. But they were legit deflated the later they went on as mafia which makes me wanna more wait and see then insta push

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:56 pm**

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:53 pm Sup, can someone tl,dr me the case on Iawy pls?

Him saying HK is ignoring him while HK is ignoring everything is weird. Was some contradiction with how he treated Guillo when Guillo was tunnelling HK with him. Ender said he was mafia. That's what I remember.

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:56 pm**

112 is a maybe

Alison is a no

Cape90 is a good

Creature is a no

Dennis is an eh

DrWilgy is a no I guess

Dyslexicon is a meh

EnderWiggin is probably a no

falcon45ca is probably a no too

Golden is a maybe

Guillotine is an eh

hollowkatt is a possible good option

ilario is a maybe

Inawordyes is a good

Kate is a maybe

Le petit poussin is a possible good option

Lilypetal is a possible good option too

MacDougall is a I don't recommend right now although I can see him being wolf

Marmot is a no

master radishes is probably a no

Michelle is probably a no

Neon is a meh

Nutella is a maybe

Party Crasher is a maybe

Porscha is a meh

pyxxy is a good (but I have some reasons to not want him rn)

S~V~S is an I have no idea

Sabiplz is a possible good option

Scotty is a meh

Seanzie is a fence

sig is probably a no

Sloonei is a meh/maybe

TonyStarkPrime is a maybe

Urist is a meh

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:57 pm**

allright tx. Guess I'll check it heh

Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:57 pm**

Cape's hesitance to pick one of the other wagons makes me more certain he's a hit. Have to think more about whether it means dennis/iawy are both town or one is w with cape

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