The Syndicate

we're best friends and he's invited to my wedding.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:00 am Dear mafia, if you kill one of kyle/Epi i promise to try to get the other lynched so we don't have to read any more academic dick-measuring kthx

Apparently we disagree on how to read the ruler.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:01 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:00 am Dear mafia, if you kill one of kyle/Epi i promise to try to get the other lynched so we don't have to read any more academic dick-measuring kthx

Chill. Epi and I are cool now.

Oh good.

Mafia please don't kill anybody kthx

LC what are your thoughts on Jagged Jimmy Jay's slow burning suspicion of you that never turned into anything meaningful? What do you think his purpose for that was?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:06 am LC what are your thoughts on Jagged Jimmy Jay's slow burning suspicion of you that never turned into anything meaningful? What do you think his purpose for that was?

The purpose of that was presumably to crank up the heat on it at some point if necessary? Or to support some players' latent suspicion of me so that they would feel more confident coming after me?

LC, I'd rather hear your suspects going into Day 5.

I really have no idea where I'll vote at this stage. Go nuts.

LC's vote for Jay would have put him in line to be lynched had I not jumped over to mesk. I just remembered this. Immediate reaction is that's a good look, but not as good as it would be for other players.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:15 am LC's vote for Jay would have put him in line to be lynched had I not jumped over to mesk. I just remembered this. Immediate reaction is that's a good look, but not as good as it would be for other players.

Hmmm yeah actually I do remember being annoyed at your switch because I think it would have been a tie otherwise? at least? maybe? hmmm.... I keep having trouble puzzling this stuff out and now I'm hesitant about both bob and LC (and generally hesitant about a lot of potential suspects)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:11 am LC, I'd rather hear your suspects going into Day 5.

I really have no idea where I'll vote at this stage. Go nuts.

I still really want to lynch Jack. I need to reevaluate my reads, I'll try to rainbow up a list to recall where I stand. I know I've been quiet; I've been doing a lot more reading than writing because of priorities that trump deep Mafia play. Most of my opinions are going to be based on whose cases and analyses I believe in the most, as opposed to my own ventures. I know that makes me not as good as most of you, and I do feel shame about it. It's just hard to avoid right now.

Good news is that I finally, tonight, about an hour ago, finished recarpeting our open-riser winder stairs. Now I have to move on to sanding all the baseboards before painting them white and putting them back on the walls. We're hosting a Christmas party on Dec 10 and certain upgrades needed to be made to the house. And those damn stairs took so much longer than I wanted them to.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:02 am we're best friends and he's invited to my wedding.

But yer only 10!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:15 am LC's vote for Jay would have put him in line to be lynched had I not jumped over to mesk. I just remembered this. Immediate reaction is that's a good look, but not as good as it would be for other players.

Hey, that's cool. I remember when I switched to Jay that I was surprised that Mesk had so many votes. I was also surprised because by my clock, the poll had ended. I went to look at the ended poll, and saw I could still change my vote. I was like "WTF?" and switched to Jay. I double checked the end time and then went to the Main Page and compared the forum clock to my computer clock, and saw they were a couple of minutes off somehow.

Then the poll ended and went down in history. But the real truth is that by my clock, my vote ended up on Mesk. Analyze that, suckas!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:27 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:02 am we're best friends and he's invited to my wedding.

But yer only 10!

Maybe someday I'll be old.

Because I suspect I might be dead after tonight, here's a rainbow:

Epignosis
nutella
dunya
Elohcin
Jackofhearts2005
Quin
malakim2099
Kylemii
Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
sig
Long Con
colonialbob


I'm not as confident in the majority of these reads as I'd normally be at this stage in a game, but 24 hour cycles are much more fast-paced than I am used to (even if there have been a couple of delays in this one), and the overall lack of verifiable information circulating in the thread makes this a difficult atmosphere for problem-solving at the moment. If I remain alive, a lot of these reads would be likely to shift all over the place, I'm sure.
THAT SAID, with regards to the work I've done during this night phase to parse through everything Jay said and analyze the relationships he had with various players in this thread is something that I approached with a good deal of confidence. Jay is the person I've played more games of mafia with than anyone else on the planet by a long shot. I think I have a good grasp of how he plays and thinks about the game, so I felt I had a pretty good sense of the direction he would likely have gone in under the heavy scrutiny he faced over the last phase and a half that he was alive. My theories and my investigation were tailored to him specifically, so I hope they hold some merit. That is not to say my word should be taken as gospel, but Jay is a player I think I am capable of reading well so I feel good about the observations I have made.

Besides that, this has been a chaotic, messy, lovely game. I've felt completely lost at times and that feeling still has not gone away completely. So approach my general reads with caution, if at all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 amI'm not as confident in the majority of these reads as I'd normally be at this stage in a game,

what stage is this game even in

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 amI'm not as confident in the majority of these reads as I'd normally be at this stage in a game,

what stage is this game even in

Purgatory

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:11 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 amI'm not as confident in the majority of these reads as I'd normally be at this stage in a game,

what stage is this game even in

Purgatory

Long Con
dunya
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Elohcin
insertnamehere
nutella
sig
malakim2099
colonialbob
speedchuck
Jackofhearts2005

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:15 am Long Con
dunya
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Elohcin
insertnamehere
nutella
sig
malakim2099
colonialbob
speedchuck
Jackofhearts2005

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:16 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:15 am Long Con
dunya
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Elohcin
insertnamehere
nutella
sig
malakim2099
colonialbob
speedchuck
Jackofhearts2005

Ha! I copied your name list, forgot to add you. Light green for you.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:20 pm Also I am a suspect to you because you believe I bussed Jay. How can you treat my line of suspicion as illegitimate? We're looking for the same thing; it's just our results that are different.

No. You're a suspect to me because

1) I believe Jimmy and Dom/Mal are w/w and you voted to save Dom/Mal. Worse, you did so with no reasoning or conviction.

2) You voted Wilgy with all my other suspects instead of Jimmy or Speed, which no explanation, creating a scenario where the only town read of mine between the three of them was more likely to be lynched as of an hour before EOD.

3) You keep handwaiving the incredibly strong cases against Mal (obviously saved by Jimmy) and Quin (obviously trying to save Mal and then Jimmy and refuses to say why).


I don't actually care one way or another about your vote for Jimmy. If you hadn't voted or said anything at all, the outcome would be the same.

You sure like to push this narrative, but we all know that you're just lazy.

And when you refuse to defend yourself, you hurt your faction.

Kyle and Epi back and forth is super obnoxious, complete with reading from the dictionary.

Why are there several pages of this?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:34 am Why are there several pages of this?

It wasn't pages.

Just skip the posts that are about that, but there was important stuff that happened in between.

It was eighteen pages of reading dictionary definitions and debating what "is" means and now I think you're both bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:26 am
I still really want to lynch Jack. I need to reevaluate my reads

No shit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:42 am It was eighteen pages of reading dictionary definitions and debating what "is" means and now I think you're both bad.

As if you've never argued pedantic bullshit before.

Jack what are your thoughts moving into day 2?

Day 3

Day 5****

I'll hold my thoughts til the flip. I doubt I'm getting shit and if I am, oh well. Enough of my thoughts are out there.

Plus, I really need to go read some context around the Dom/Jimmy/Melk trains and then the Jimmy/Speed/Wilgy trains.

My biggest scumread is still Mal. Seen nothing that makes me think he's good. His actions yesterday and Jimmy's actions prior make them look w/w. That's the main thing you should take away on the off chance I die.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:47 am wait I have an idea. @Marmot, does the little mountain who hides with Sutter Buttes have to vote along side whoever Sutter Buttes voted for?

No, they can vote howevery they like

Jackofhearts2005 has been nightkilled. It is now Day 5. You have ~24 hours to lynch someone.

Who should take responsibility for the death of Spacedaisy?
Poll ended at Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:50:19 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.


colonialbob
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
11%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, dunya
dunya
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
1
6%
Voters: Quin
insertnamehere
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
JaggedJimmyJay
9
50%
Voters: speedchuck, colonialbob, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, nutella, Dragon D. Luffy, Epignosis, Sloonei, Kylemii
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
malakim2099
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Quin
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
speedchuck
3
17%
Voters: Elohcin, Long Con, malakim2099
G-Man (Hosts/Nons/Deads)
3
17%
Voters: Marmot, Spacedaisy, juliets
Total votes: 18

Took a quick review of EoD3:

- Nutella and Eoi look great
- Speedchuck looks off for jumping on Wilgy to save himself nstead of Jay. Could see a Jay/Speed team-up.
- Bob looks Eh. He dropped out of the Jay thing when people started doing t, but jumped in again when they started coming bck. Jack looks similar to Bob in that regard.
- Eloh looks bad too.
- Sloonei looks awful. I bet he has the worst vote tracking out of anyone this game. The way he kept doing 180º turns on Jay, and those turns matched the flow of the thread is pingy as fuck, and also looks artificial. I'm only second doubting it because it threads close to "so bad it's good" territory, I actually doubt a true bad Sloonei would goof that hard. The Night 3 lynch feels similar too.

ninja'd by Marmot.

RIP Jack. Nice game here, and sorry for doubting you early.

I like this new day end time.

It does mean I'll have 38927492374927 posts to catch up when I wake up, but at least I'll be able to change my vote right before deadline if needed.

EBWOP: review of EoD4

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:39 am Good job, Civs! Hopefully this will lead to total game solving.

I don't like this post. Feels too diplomatic.

What are your opinions on LC, people?

Hmm LC did try to lynch Jay on Day 3 didn't he. Meh.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:43 pm It is a weak reason to dismiss Kyle, but I believe him because he's a good person and it was a sincere apology and he's made a good effort to be as helpful and open as possible. It's reserved people I don't like.

You are letting your empathy get to you again.

ninja'd by Epi in the next post.

Ok I need to stop this.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:17 pm When J³ made his "farewell I'm dying" post it read as sincere to me too. I wasn't actually convinced we'd done the right thing until he flipped Choco Hills like 3 hours later.

Time to play an Epi.

What is the point of those sentences? You already explained your votes. So now you're just being dramatic. I don't like it.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:32 am I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Like here's an example. Epi was 109% right about Jimmy.

And his case was 110% bullshit. Good Day.

I can't explain why exactly. But the last time I saw someone make this kind of post, it was me. And I was lynched immetiately. And flipped bad.

There is something in it that feels like you are not really happy for the civ victory. You are arguing against it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:12 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:25 am I like the people on JJJ much more, so I'm swtiching over. JJJ

Post 3302.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:17 am also i put my vote back on jay. his ISOs don't sway me much. That's exactly what I'd expect him to do as scum. It's exactly what he always says players, town or scum, should do in the face of pressure. I don't feel like his mesk vote came from a place of sincerity and prior to today I got very little sense that he was trying to solve the game in any capacity.

Post 3287.

My bad, guys. Sloonei voted Jimmy before Bob.

This doesn't look good for Bob.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:03 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:32 am I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Like here's an example. Epi was 109% right about Jimmy.

And his case was 110% bullshit. Good Day.

I can't explain why exactly. But the last time I saw someone make this kind of post, it was me. And I was lynched immetiately. And flipped bad.

There is something in it that feels like you are not really happy for the civ victory. You are arguing against it.

I'd argue against this but all I'd be doing is whinging, so I wont. Put short, I'm happy for lynching scum, but Epi's case was no good.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:04 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:12 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:25 am I like the people on JJJ much more, so I'm swtiching over. JJJ

Post 3302.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:17 am also i put my vote back on jay. his ISOs don't sway me much. That's exactly what I'd expect him to do as scum. It's exactly what he always says players, town or scum, should do in the face of pressure. I don't feel like his mesk vote came from a place of sincerity and prior to today I got very little sense that he was trying to solve the game in any capacity.

Post 3287.

My bad, guys. Sloonei voted Jimmy before Bob.

This doesn't look good for Bob.

Bob already mentioned that twice but apparently nobody actually reads what he says

Good morning. I still have two pages to read, but so far, people are coming around to LC as a possible baddie. I seem to remember someone else thinking LC could be bad. Oh yeah...it was me!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:02 am we're best friends and he's invited to my wedding.

Put us up in a hotel with a kitchen and I'll make your cake!

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:36 am

A NEW DAY

Jack of hearts has been nightkilled.
It is now Day 5. You have ~24 hours to lynch someone.

First of all, that is a bit shocking as there was suspicion on jack. Second, 5:36am!? Marmot, you need to get your internal clock fixed buddy. Now I will have to vote like 7-8 hours before the lynch is over!!

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:48 am Good morning. I still have two pages to read, but so far, people are coming around to LC as a possible baddie. I seem to remember someone else thinking LC could be bad. Oh yeah...it was me!

It's not something you're going to end up being proud of. Unless you're bad, of course.