The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:49 pm Scotty your replies on this page are all over the place the first one about Jay's "actions" I don't even understand but it sounded like a defense of him, and now you're maybe kinda suspecting him? Where you at bro

I found myself disagreeing with a lot of his prospects. Currently, his approach on me here at lylo is frustrating me to no end, but I still think he’s good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:52 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:01 pm Dyslexicon,

You insist that I am not going to have your vote. Here now I have two other players with a side of Scotty diving into my stuff and telling me how bad it is -- your intervention in this has been close to nil. Why?

Woah woah woah. How did I get thrown in to this name grab bag? I just said I’d look into you- have an open mind and all that jazz.

Also you spout out stern talking points to dizzY during this, but seem to cast a blind eye to seeing her as bad, yet I’m apparently the antichrist right now. If you’re good and you want to win, I need a bit more openness here

That's why you were a side dish.

I have given plenty of thought to Dizzy as a mafioso. There is an argument that can be made. There's a significant roadblock I keep encountering on that front: why hasn't anybody opposed the theory that Dizzy's the last dentist?

RE: my last post

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 11:26 pm That's not what I meant and I think you know it. Of course the goal is not to "make civilian-looking posts." I'm not ascribing intentionality to it. I'm saying that your posts don't look civilian, and that indicates that you are not a civilian. Of course civilians can make posts that don't look civilian; that's not my point. My point is you don't have a single point in your favor.

nutella, how did Charlie's posts differ at this point from the same stump he referenced?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:56 pm Where the fuck are you in all of this? Like, we’re almost 6 hours before deadline and you haven’t weighed in on anything yet

Oh please. You know he is dead.

Oh

nope, but you aren’t going to believe me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:17 pm Colin and nutella are chattering away in BTSC right now.

No, nice try but I was having lunch with my coworkers. I'll answer your question in a bit but I have actual work I should be doing.

Damn make that questions plural you just asked me five milion things I can't do it right now

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:56 pm Where the fuck are you in all of this? Like, we’re almost 6 hours before deadline and you haven’t weighed in on anything yet

Oh please. You know he is dead.

Oh

nope, but you aren’t going to believe me

Remember how you treated wolbre04 when he did this in Ass Class?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:58 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:15 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:56 pm

If MP has a red check, why would you "rather lynch Colin"?

Stubbornness in me also wanting to be right.
But he never said he had a red check. I thought he might, so I voted you and changed later

I need to talk about the Elohcin incident again, which if I recall correctly was during the same day phase.

Why Elohcin before Colin? You may have answered already, but were here now and talking.

If I recall, she had votes already and I thought she was bad after seeing similrities being bad with her in UPick. I could have voted Colin, but I was in a mode where I was getting closer to seeing her as his teammate so I moved onto her.
That seems kinda lame in hindsight, but people just weren’t biting on my Colin reads D3. So once a bad Elo came up, we could move to what I saw as her teammate.

You placed your vote for Elohcin barely two hours after the start of Day 3.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:27 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

I think her buddy Colin saved her yesterday and my suspicion hasn’t abated for her, so...one of them

Will take a look at voting patterns more tomorrow

I would avoid Quin altogether. I don’t think he’s bad unlesssssss he is the white bunny who can’t be lynched. That’s the only reason I would see for him to self vote at that point (I don’t remember how many votes he had in my reread)

During this phase, you did nothing with Colin prior to this vote. You didn't push for his lynch. You didn't talk about him. You may have done those things during Night 2, but that did not translate into a lynch effort at all. When you arrived to Day 3, you went straight to Elohcin.

Nope, never voted for Colin. I’ve already said in hindsight I probably should have, but you’re now pulling this one as a guilty stamp on my envelope. I said I suspected both, and unfortunately I was on the wrong side of day 3

You specifically said that "nobody was biting on my Colin reads D3".

You didn't present any Colin reads on D3. You didn't leave any time for a Colin wagon to form. You went straight to Elohcin. It's a false report of your own play.

My biggest gripe with Colin was on D2 with his “I didn’t defend choutas” on D1, and I thought I carried over past N2 into D3. I did just look back and you’re right, that wasn’t D3. Everyone except for dizzY was reading Colin as good even on D2/N2. I still figured he was bad, but didn’t have a very strong case at the rime

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:00 pm nutella has not opposed the dentist thing.

Scotty has not opposed the dentist thing, but has opposed Dizzy in other arenas (and is still discussing some suspicions for nutella and I). Dizzy has not opposed the dentist thing, meaning if Scotty is the last dentist then he should be pretty firm right now in the answer.

The dentist thing means nothing to me. I would love to show you my card. It’s not a 7 of diamonds

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:07 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:05 pm Yep, I poked someone that had 1 post, and eventually when everyone but Floyd had checked in, i voted there. Why am I defending against this?

I don't know why you're defending against that. Only you know that.

I made an observation and I put it in the thread. There were numerous people you could have poked, and you picked him.

But you’re making it sound like he was the only one I was prodding. He wasn’t, he just happened to have my vote for a time. I wasn’t gonna leave my vote there, at my own admission

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:09 pm “I found mac Calling you out as meaningless, and I raised my eyebrows” = does that sound better to your eareyes?

Why is it meaningless for Mac to call me out? Why is it less meaningful than your "call out" of Choutas?

Because my D1’s are notoriously shit. They always have been. So I cede to people that seem to get off on tasty D1 reads. Mac has a reputation of getting dirty on D1, and I didn’t think his random callouts were anything less than that- random

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:13 pm THERE IS ALWAYS A REASON FOR MY NOSHOW VOTES. You of all people know that

Holy hell man, you’re making me fired up right now

Is there a reason beyond "I'm Scotty and this is what I do"?

There’s that, (which is very important) but then also it’s the act of allowing posters to be alive and well, because non posters are the death for town

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:00 pm nutella has not opposed the dentist thing.

Scotty has not opposed the dentist thing, but has opposed Dizzy in other arenas (and is still discussing some suspicions for nutella and I). Dizzy has not opposed the dentist thing, meaning if Scotty is the last dentist then he should be pretty firm right now in the answer.

The dentist thing means nothing to me. I would love to show you my card. It’s not a 7 of diamonds

If it means nothing to you and nobody objects, then how can Dizzy be mafia?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:35 pm Damn make that questions plural you just asked me five milion things I can't do it right now

Welcome to my world

Seriously, if anyone wants to carry around 30lb trays of drinks for hours, and let me take their job for a bit, hit yo boi up

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:36 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:56 pm Where the fuck are you in all of this? Like, we’re almost 6 hours before deadline and you haven’t weighed in on anything yet

Oh please. You know he is dead.

Oh

nope, but you aren’t going to believe me

Remember how you treated wolbre04 when he did this in Ass Class?

Yep, totally figured he was lying.

I’m being super hypocritical here, no doubt about it.
But I seriously am forgetting a lot this game, and it’s not like I’m gaining anything about lying about my forgetfulness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:00 pm nutella has not opposed the dentist thing.

Scotty has not opposed the dentist thing, but has opposed Dizzy in other arenas (and is still discussing some suspicions for nutella and I). Dizzy has not opposed the dentist thing, meaning if Scotty is the last dentist then he should be pretty firm right now in the answer.

The dentist thing means nothing to me. I would love to show you my card. It’s not a 7 of diamonds

If it means nothing to you and nobody objects, then how can Dizzy be mafia?

Words are words.

Am I missing something here? Are we talking about the same thing?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:00 pm nutella has not opposed the dentist thing.

Scotty has not opposed the dentist thing, but has opposed Dizzy in other arenas (and is still discussing some suspicions for nutella and I). Dizzy has not opposed the dentist thing, meaning if Scotty is the last dentist then he should be pretty firm right now in the answer.

The dentist thing means nothing to me. I would love to show you my card. It’s not a 7 of diamonds

If it means nothing to you and nobody objects, then how can Dizzy be mafia?

Words are words.

Am I missing something here? Are we talking about the same thing?

Nearly all of the dentists are accounted for. Quin theorizes that Dizzy might be a dentist. JJJ thinks the theory is valid.

Dizzy doesn't oppose the theory. Nobody else does either. If Dizzy is a mafioso, then they cannot be a dentist. Someone else is a dentist.

Someone else hates this theory. Nobody can claim their faction. Anybody can speculate about other peoples' factions. We don't know. We can deduce though that in the absence of such protest, Quin's original theory would seem to hold.

Nutella- you seem to be coming from a perspective of stirring the pot today: you are well documented in rubbing your hazelnut spread all over the tasty cookies people offer, but where’s the follow through?

In fact, if there’s anything I can say about me possibly being wrong about dizzy it’s that we both have been on top of each other for a few cycles here at lylo, and your reads have been literally changing by the hour. Some might call that organic civ behavior- I have throughout the game-but posing a massive 180 on JJJ at the end- then backing down- reminds me of your spat with Epi where you were going hard in the paint- and then backing down- when he had a formidable response.

And now you’re ready to vote me, saying you should have done it days ago.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:10 pm nutella, please respond:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:07 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:03 am OK, enough of this back and forth. You will need to defend yourself by convincing me that either Scotty or Dizzy is bad.

I need to see evidence that you have given a damn about the civilian sides of the people you have attacked. Tell me why I am a civilian. Tell me why Scotty is a civilian.

When I made this demand about Quin, your answer did not make sense relative to the content that exists in this game. I don't know that you're seriously thinking about it.

I just remembered wrong about Quin. I thought he had more than just a vote in the choutas lynch, but the vote itself counted for what I was talking about anyway.

You are a civilian because you were instrumental in the Choutas lynch, because you found the dirt on Colin that turned the tide back to him instead of Marmot, and because you have been genuinely trying your darnedest to solve the game and closely analyze every side of every argument to find the mafia.

Scotty is a civilian because he has also been trying his hardest when he can, has presented some original cases on people and voiced opinions, and because his reactions during claimgate looked authentic.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 11:12 pm He hasn't made a single civilian-looking post the entire game. He pushed the Eloh lynch after not much precedent for suspecting her before then. He's trying to paint Quin in a bad light. And PoE. He's bad.

I've a question about the progression from this to that:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 12:14 am Something fascinating has just happened to me. It has actually happened to me before, but now that I'm noticing it again I am rather intrigued by its effect. What just happened is that I abruptly and confidently called Charlinosis bad, had a back-and-forth with him about it and looked at his ISO to explore my suspicion, and I came out just now deciding that I town read him. Actually pretty dang strongly at the moment. I guess it's just that it took the motive of looking for suspicious things (but again needing to have not too much confirmation bias for this to work) in order for me to actually go into his ISO and realize that I saw most of it in a pretty good light. It was partially the ISO and partially his responses in the moment that convinced me to change my view.

You said he didn't have a single civilian-looking post in the game. Then you went through your brief exchange and reviewed his ISO, and decided he did have civilian-looking posts. What were they, and how did the perception of their "civilianness" elude you the first time?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:45 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am Rip wolbre, hi nutella!

I think I like you. Can you expand on why Elo is at the bottom for you?

Her flip flop on Jay on day 1, the way she said she would have voted for choutas, saying "my heart's not in it", those are the main things that stick out. But honestly looking at her iso again I could see townies Eloh. I think I often read her backwards so idk

What was it about Elohcin which you felt might indicate "townies Eloh" and halted your confidence?

Idk man I've seen her get mislynched before and she tends to have this particular tone to her defenses, but I always have trouble reading her since she is defensive when bad as well so I was hesitant to be confident either way.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:03 pmhis reactions during claimgate looked authentic.

Which ones?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:24 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:27 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

For the moment the loudest things in the thread to me are Choutas's "Mac is right into the role" and Marmot's "I got a mafia role card".

I'm still doing travel things for a few days. I may be able to provide more thorough input later tonight, but I cannot make promises.

Eh? How? You're saying there's nothing that's been said by anyone that's more important than that?

Weak.

How am I the only one seeing this? 95% certain Jay is bad.

mm yeah I can see it

I was top green in your intro rainbow. What changed, or what did MP say which sold you on this?

I always have room for tinfoil my dude I know MP made some compelling points that ignited the fear that you were bullshitting it. Didn't take much of his confident questioning of your motives for me to consider the possibility and make me want to look into it further.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:03 pmhis reactions during claimgate looked authentic.

Which ones?

You know when he was catching up and didn't know what had happened yet? That, and the subsequent "oh" moments

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:10 pm I always have room for tinfoil my dude I know MP made some compelling points that ignited the fear that you were bullshitting it. Didn't take much of his confident questioning of your motives for me to consider the possibility and make me want to look into it further.

What were the compelling points?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 11:26 pm That's not what I meant and I think you know it. Of course the goal is not to "make civilian-looking posts." I'm not ascribing intentionality to it. I'm saying that your posts don't look civilian, and that indicates that you are not a civilian. Of course civilians can make posts that don't look civilian; that's not my point. My point is you don't have a single point in your favor.

nutella, how did Charlie's posts differ at this point from the same stump he referenced?

I don't think I understand the question in relation to the quoted post. He may have made the stump comparison but I didn't. I just stated here that I had no reason to think he was a civilian based on his posts (an opinion which of course soon changed when I investigated)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 11:12 pm He hasn't made a single civilian-looking post the entire game. He pushed the Eloh lynch after not much precedent for suspecting her before then. He's trying to paint Quin in a bad light. And PoE. He's bad.

I've a question about the progression from this to that:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 12:14 am Something fascinating has just happened to me. It has actually happened to me before, but now that I'm noticing it again I am rather intrigued by its effect. What just happened is that I abruptly and confidently called Charlinosis bad, had a back-and-forth with him about it and looked at his ISO to explore my suspicion, and I came out just now deciding that I town read him. Actually pretty dang strongly at the moment. I guess it's just that it took the motive of looking for suspicious things (but again needing to have not too much confirmation bias for this to work) in order for me to actually go into his ISO and realize that I saw most of it in a pretty good light. It was partially the ISO and partially his responses in the moment that convinced me to change my view.

You said he didn't have a single civilian-looking post in the game. Then you went through your brief exchange and reviewed his ISO, and decided he did have civilian-looking posts. What were they, and how did the perception of their "civilianness" elude you the first time?

...you asked essentially this same question earlier this morning and I answered it. sorry I can't grab more specifics right now

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:10 pm I always have room for tinfoil my dude I know MP made some compelling points that ignited the fear that you were bullshitting it. Didn't take much of his confident questioning of your motives for me to consider the possibility and make me want to look into it further.

What were the compelling points?

dude you keep asking me for specifics I don't have time to go looking for them rn

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:10 pm If I don't think anyone is scum, should I just vote for Colin again?

I was thinking of voting there today if we don’t find a consensus.

But to not think anyone is scum? That’s quite the statement. Why is your vote on me then

Hoooo buddy this is gross

You do realize that if we’re not sure of who is bad by EoD and the votes are spread out enough for both of them to capitalize, the best action we can do is vote for Colin, right? It’s not the end of the world if we don’t lynch because it will still be 3 v 2 tomorrow.

Or do you realize that and are trying to discount this line of thought?

Or am I totally wrong?

Either way, I just wanna find the last baddie today because what more can be talked about that hasn’t already? I feel like this thread has been nibbled to death

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:10 pm I always have room for tinfoil my dude I know MP made some compelling points that ignited the fear that you were bullshitting it. Didn't take much of his confident questioning of your motives for me to consider the possibility and make me want to look into it further.

What were the compelling points?

dude you keep asking me for specifics I don't have time to go looking for them rn

Please find time later. It's LyLo and you're a suspect.

One thing’s for sure: Dys leaving her vote on me and not even bothering to look at other options, ‘game be damned’ is just about the most unciv thing you can be doing on lylo. Her track record is...uh...how can I put this lightly...it’s like a penguin at a hurdling event

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:38 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:10 pm If I don't think anyone is scum, should I just vote for Colin again?

I was thinking of voting there today if we don’t find a consensus.

But to not think anyone is scum? That’s quite the statement. Why is your vote on me then

Hoooo buddy this is gross

You do realize that if we’re not sure of who is bad by EoD and the votes are spread out enough for both of them to capitalize, the best action we can do is vote for Colin, right? It’s not the end of the world if we don’t lynch because it will still be 3 v 2 tomorrow.

Or do you realize that and are trying to discount this line of thought?

Or am I totally wrong?

Either way, I just wanna find the last baddie today because what more can be talked about that hasn’t already? I feel like this thread has been nibbled to death

I guess we could do that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:19 pm You do realize that if we’re not sure of who is bad by EoD and the votes are spread out enough for both of them to capitalize, the best action we can do is vote for Colin, right? It’s not the end of the world if we don’t lynch because it will still be 3 v 2 tomorrow.

Or do you realize that and are trying to discount this line of thought?

Or am I totally wrong?

Either way, I just wanna find the last baddie today because what more can be talked about that hasn’t already? I feel like this thread has been nibbled to death

In theory you're probably right. The concern there is the looming *secrets*.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:22 pm I guess we could do that.

Why was Colin's post gross?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:22 pm I guess we could do that.

Why was Colin's post gross?

Scotty's*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:19 pm You do realize that if we’re not sure of who is bad by EoD and the votes are spread out enough for both of them to capitalize, the best action we can do is vote for Colin, right? It’s not the end of the world if we don’t lynch because it will still be 3 v 2 tomorrow.

Or do you realize that and are trying to discount this line of thought?

Or am I totally wrong?

Either way, I just wanna find the last baddie today because what more can be talked about that hasn’t already? I feel like this thread has been nibbled to death

In theory you're probably right. The concern there is the looming *secrets*.

In a game where the cop and doc looks nerfed and one mafia has a no-lynch power, I doubt it’s anything significant.

Unless we all get a new role once all mafia are lynched. I hear that’s in season in a GMan ganeb

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:00 pm nutella has not opposed the dentist thing.

Scotty has not opposed the dentist thing, but has opposed Dizzy in other arenas (and is still discussing some suspicions for nutella and I). Dizzy has not opposed the dentist thing, meaning if Scotty is the last dentist then he should be pretty firm right now in the answer.

The dentist thing means nothing to me. I would love to show you my card. It’s not a 7 of diamonds

If it means nothing to you and nobody objects, then how can Dizzy be mafia?

Words are words.

Am I missing something here? Are we talking about the same thing?

Nearly all of the dentists are accounted for. Quin theorizes that Dizzy might be a dentist. JJJ thinks the theory is valid.

Dizzy doesn't oppose the theory. Nobody else does either. If Dizzy is a mafioso, then they cannot be a dentist. Someone else is a dentist.

Someone else hates this theory. Nobody can claim their faction. Anybody can speculate about other peoples' factions. We don't know. We can deduce though that in the absence of such protest, Quin's original theory would seem to hold.

[mention]Scotty[/mention], Do you think this theory is a likely one? A yes or no would be cool.

[mention]Scotty[/mention], what is your take on Dizzy right this moment?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:22 pm One thing’s for sure: Dys leaving her vote on me and not even bothering to look at other options, ‘game be damned’ is just about the most unciv thing you can be doing on lylo. Her track record is...uh...how can I put this lightly...it’s like a penguin at a hurdling event

You don't know what I'm considering and thinking. Currently going through Nut's FE. After that I'll catch up on the rest.

And duck the track record blow. On D1 I had 2/3 scum as my biggest suspicions.

What is YOUR track record? Seriously. Go away.

I do think nutella in Fire Emblem looked more similar to this game than nutella in Fiddler (civilian).

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:00 pm nutella has not opposed the dentist thing.

Scotty has not opposed the dentist thing, but has opposed Dizzy in other arenas (and is still discussing some suspicions for nutella and I). Dizzy has not opposed the dentist thing, meaning if Scotty is the last dentist then he should be pretty firm right now in the answer.

The dentist thing means nothing to me. I would love to show you my card. It’s not a 7 of diamonds

If it means nothing to you and nobody objects, then how can Dizzy be mafia?

Words are words.

Am I missing something here? Are we talking about the same thing?

Nearly all of the dentists are accounted for. Quin theorizes that Dizzy might be a dentist. JJJ thinks the theory is valid.

Dizzy doesn't oppose the theory. Nobody else does either. If Dizzy is a mafioso, then they cannot be a dentist. Someone else is a dentist.

Someone else hates this theory. Nobody can claim their faction. Anybody can speculate about other peoples' factions. We don't know. We can deduce though that in the absence of such protest, Quin's original theory would seem to hold.

Scotty, Do you think this theory is a likely one? A yes or no would be cool.

I don’t think the theory is valid- it’s pure speculation: that no one has protested it also means nothing. Was it a claim?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:48 pm I don’t think the theory is valid- it’s pure speculation: that no one has protested it also means nothing. Was it a claim?

Nobody claimed anything and nobody will. Rules must be followed.

What is invalid about the theory?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:22 pm One thing’s for sure: Dys leaving her vote on me and not even bothering to look at other options, ‘game be damned’ is just about the most unciv thing you can be doing on lylo. Her track record is...uh...how can I put this lightly...it’s like a penguin at a hurdling event

You don't know what I'm considering and thinking. Currently going through Nut's FE. After that I'll catch up on the rest.

And duck the track record blow. On D1 I had 2/3 scum as my biggest suspicions.

What is YOUR track record? Seriously. Go away.

When Colin was going down, you were not on that train. You were only on it when everyone else was, and then when more people got on, you jumped up, said “this is my stop” and jumped off the train into the water.

Kinda like the reviews of that remake Murder on the Orient Express

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:48 pm I don’t think the theory is valid- it’s pure speculation: that no one has protested it also means nothing. Was it a claim?

Nobody claimed anything and nobody will. Rules must be followed.

What is invalid about the theory?

Because it’s the same scenario as a mafia member claiming civ, and people not refuting that specifically. Because it’s heresay and isn’t something that can be verified in a game that forbids faction claims

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:48 pm I don’t think the theory is valid- it’s pure speculation: that no one has protested it also means nothing. Was it a claim?

Nobody claimed anything and nobody will. Rules must be followed.

What is invalid about the theory?

Because it’s the same scenario as a mafia member claiming civ, and people not refuting that specifically. Because it’s heresay and isn’t something that can be verified in a game that forbids faction claims

Though that didn’t stop some people.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:48 pm I don’t think the theory is valid- it’s pure speculation: that no one has protested it also means nothing. Was it a claim?

Nobody claimed anything and nobody will. Rules must be followed.

What is invalid about the theory?

Because it’s the same scenario as a mafia member claiming civ, and people not refuting that specifically. Because it’s heresay and isn’t something that can be verified in a game that forbids faction claims

It's not the same as that. Nobody claimed anything.

A more pointed question for you: Dizzy can be said to have embraced the theory. Nobody else in this game faults them for that. Do you? And as such, do you suspect anyone other than Dizzy at all?

Actually this post itself was one of the points I agreed with MP on.
I found it hard to believe you found those two Mac/marmot things the most suspicious things in the thread at that point.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:27 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

For the moment the loudest things in the thread to me are Choutas's "Mac is right into the role" and Marmot's "I got a mafia role card".

I'm still doing travel things for a few days. I may be able to provide more thorough input later tonight, but I cannot make promises.

Eh? How? You're saying there's nothing that's been said by anyone that's more important than that?

Weak.

How am I the only one seeing this? 95% certain Jay is bad.

Plus these two posts resonated with me at the time:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:50 pm I'll try to illustrate what bothers me about Jay here in a bit. Most of his recent scum hunting is characterized by low-hanging fruit, WIFOM, etc. that town Jay would only give little consideration, or at least would realize the other point of view. The difference between town Jay and scum Jay is the agenda. Town Jay, despite speaking with confidence, is never really sure of anything; he's always trying to pressure and investigate from as many angles as possible. Scum Jay is trying to appear that way but really he's pushing an agenda. I really hate that Jay's actively engaging in WIFOM and pushing Marmot as a candidate based on such weak shit.

I'll ISO him when I'm less distracted to try to highlight what I mean.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:51 pm The fact that Jay thinks there's such a thing as a "moronic" lynch candidate doesn't bode well either. If he didn't have information and was town, he'd realize that despite a Day 1 scumflip, it's possible for anyone to be bad.

He's not acting that way at all. He lacks the underlying paranoia and reassessment. It's all agenda.

And the following post, sorry this is out of order this is before the first one:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:37 pm Why is everyone giving Jay a pass? He's on fucking autopilot.

If anything, he looks bad AF. Jay will bus his teammates without remorse if he thinks it's the best way to get to victory.

I want to lynch Jay.

Autopilot, huh? You were also accused of being on "cruise control" in phenon origins. I believed MP's ability to make this observation/assessment of your play accurately.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:22 pm I guess we could do that.

Why was Colin's post gross?

Scotty's*

Voting for Colin just sounded like a lame option especially the way he presented it, since he's currently the most likely one to get the desired majority. I guess it could be okay numbers wise (except for potential "secrets") if we are really not confident enough today, but it sounded like a cop out.

Whoever it is, you've played your ass off and I salute you. Whatever happens, the loser of this game will have done everything they can to win.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:22 pm One thing’s for sure: Dys leaving her vote on me and not even bothering to look at other options, ‘game be damned’ is just about the most unciv thing you can be doing on lylo. Her track record is...uh...how can I put this lightly...it’s like a penguin at a hurdling event

You don't know what I'm considering and thinking. Currently going through Nut's FE. After that I'll catch up on the rest.

And duck the track record blow. On D1 I had 2/3 scum as my biggest suspicions.

What is YOUR track record? Seriously. Go away.

When Colin was going down, you were not on that train. You were only on it when everyone else was, and then when more people got on, you jumped up, said “this is my stop” and jumped off the train into the water.

Kinda like the reviews of that remake Murder on the Orient Express

Actually this is false. Pretty sure I was the first to switch back to Colin after Jimmey dragged up something.
We've been through this. You're the one who supposedly scum read Colin all game but then actively found arguments against Marmot and voted there. Like, wtf are you trying to prove here?

Anyway, why are you playing dumb in your interaction with Jimmey just now regarding the theory Quin and him had?