The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:18 pm Here are the only ways Speed and Quin are both being truthful. Don't look unless you like mechanics talk, which I love dearly.

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1. Mafia tried to redirect Kara to Sloonei or to Timmer. That redirect hit me instead. (This, of course, depends on whether Imperio has priority over Diricawl or not. Could be that Kara was made to target Sloonei or Timmer with a Diricawl, and the Imperius would have to hit me directly. This is probably not worth asking about, as I consider it unlikely, but go for it if you want to.)
Also Imperio MIGHT have been used to redirect Juliet's Rez, therefore not being able to hit me. (But can you redirect to dead players?)

2. Quin used a patronus on Timmer/Sloonei AND visited Long Con as well. This would require Quin to have a dark arts ability to use on the side. Go figure why he would do all that. Scum anyway, in that case.

3. Mafia has some kind of "piercing redirect" secret. They redirected Sloonei to Long Con because IDK why.

4. Mafia has some kind of "Passive redirect" secret. They redirected all Timmer's visitors to Long Con because IDK why.

5. More dark arts secret randomness I guess.

TL;DR Quin is either still bad or the mafia is playing nonsensically with secret abilities.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:18 pm Here are the only ways Speed and Quin are both being truthful. Don't look unless you like mechanics talk, which I love dearly.

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1. Mafia tried to redirect Kara to Sloonei or to Timmer. That redirect hit me instead. (This, of course, depends on whether Imperio has priority over Diricawl or not. Could be that Kara was made to target Sloonei or Timmer with a Diricawl, and the Imperius would have to hit me directly. This is probably not worth asking about, as I consider it unlikely, but go for it if you want to.)
Also Imperio MIGHT have been used to redirect Juliet's Rez, therefore not being able to hit me. (But can you redirect to dead players?)

2. Quin used a patronus on Timmer/Sloonei AND visited Long Con as well. This would require Quin to have a dark arts ability to use on the side. Go figure why he would do all that. Scum anyway, in that case.

3. Mafia has some kind of "piercing redirect" secret. They redirected Quin to Long Con because IDK why.

4. Mafia has some kind of "Passive redirect" secret. They redirected all Timmer's visitors to Long Con because IDK why.

5. More dark arts secret randomness I guess.

TL;DR Quin is either still bad or the mafia is playing nonsensically with secret abilities.

I don’t understand my involvement in #3. Is that a typo, or do you mean to suggest that I targeted Long Con?

This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:09 pm In double checking the actual name of the ID ability just now, I realized there’s a possible explanation to all this night actuon discrepency that hasn’t been brought up yet, or at least hasn’t been a part of the main conversation: Arresto Momentum.

This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.

Is it possible that either one of Quin or speedchuck simply had their night actions pushed back a night, so that what they thought they had done on Night 2 actually came into effect on Night 3?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:09 pm In double checking the actual name of the ID ability just now, I realized there’s a possible explanation to all this night actuon discrepency that hasn’t been brought up yet, or at least hasn’t been a part of the main conversation: Arresto Momentum.

This spell delays another student’s movement. This will make whatever abilities they use have their effect delayed to the following night.

Is it possible that either one of Quin or speedchuck simply had their night actions pushed back a night, so that what they thought they had done on Night 2 actually came into effect on Night 3?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:12 pm DDL if you fucked something up with the night actions you can just tell us, everyone with broken brains will forgive you

It hasn't happened so far in this game, I think.

(Though I've made mistakes in other games)

I went over the kills in the last night about 5 times since you guys started arguing. It still checks out.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:57 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:43 pm Oh right creatures are not one shot powers. Wild.

Creatures are all one shots. But there are restrictions on the night (even or odd) you can use it.

No, only Phoenix, hippogriff and thunderbird are one shot.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:14 pm I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

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Speedchuck is always mafia

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:01 am Jackofhearts2005 - forgettable

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:14 pm I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

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Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:14 pm I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

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Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

Megaman.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:09 am For everyone:

Has anyone given any thought to 'why Epi' for the kill?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:38 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:14 pm I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

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Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

Megaman.

I WAS A PRO TOWN ROLE

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:01 pm what? Jay and Mac and DH DONT know everything? First I’ve heard of this statement

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:14 pm I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

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Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:40 pm I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:52 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:40 pm I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

*raises hand*

Epi wasn't inactive tho.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:14 pm I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

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Speedchuck is always mafia

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS MAFIA YOU MOUTH BREATHER

WHEN

I'LL KILL THE LOT OF YOU

I actually read this post with the Conductor's voice.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:52 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:40 pm I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

*raises hand*

Epi wasn't inactive tho.

True, he does have two pages worth of posts. Do you have suggestions?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:15 pm (This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:18 pm Avoidance of protections.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:18 pm Avoidance of protections.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:18 pm Avoidance of protections.

Is just kicking the can down the road unless you're able to remove protections.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:15 pm (This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:18 pm Avoidance of protections.

Is just kicking the can down the road unless you're able to remove protections.

Baddies are known to kick cans.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:15 pm (This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:15 pm (This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

What would be convenient?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:15 pm (This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

What would be convenient?

If DH is town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:26 pm If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:26 pm If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:15 pm (This all kinda ignores Jay and Mac going after DH and then Jay being like "meh nm.")

I'd love to hear more about this. I was gone at the time and I'm still not sure how to feel about it.

I'm a bit torn as well. It would be convenient if Mac was wrong/shading.

What would be convenient?

If DH is town.

I don’t know what you’re saying. Convenient for whom about what?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:26 pm If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:26 pm If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

See if you can work an airplane into this simile and try again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:14 pm I think you're all thinking way too hard about the whole Speedchuck/Quin fiasco. There's some overwhelming evidence that nobody is even considering.

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Speedchuck is always mafia

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:26 pm If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

You're in grad school right? So you're probably about...22. So 16 year old Jay's signature move...



I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:26 pm If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:44 pm Also Juliets I think there’s merit in investigating why Epi was killed and who he had voiced suspicions for at the time

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:26 pm If what I did with DH wasn’t as obvious as I thought it was, then maybe it’s a strategy I’ll adopt more often.

It’s a bit of a relic from 2012 era me.

Is it the thing like when your friend says "Let's roll this giant round bale of hay down the hill into this fire because it's molded and needs to burn" and you go "Yeah, sure buddy, got your back" and then you watch this whole thing go just to get a better idea of your friend's IQ and the laws of physics but then the burning hay bale starts rolling towards a barn and you have to stop it somehow?

See if you can work an airplane into this simile and try again.

Linki:

24 year old Jay's signature move is probably like

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:17 pm I'm kinda taking for granted here that Epi wasn't killed because Luna or Colin was specifically worried about him. Epi wasn't really making waves in the thread. If I was in Luna or Colin's shoes as scum, I wouldn't be scured enough to kill him.