Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Kylemii]

how prodigious is rej? what's their exp level?

[Kylemii]

how many spell slots do they have? have they multi-classed into anything?

[Sloonei]

what is the rej wagon about? I didn't find any context clues in his iso, just seems detached and low effort

Bingo

[Sloonei]

what is the rej wagon about? I didn't find any context clues in his iso, just seems detached and low effort

Bingo

And also Esooa treated him how she’d allegedly treat a teammate.

[Kylemii]

what is the rej wagon about? I didn't find any context clues in his iso, just seems detached and low effort

Bingo

is this ai for them

[Kylemii]

what is the rej wagon about? I didn't find any context clues in his iso, just seems detached and low effort

Bingo

And also Esooa treated him how she’d allegedly treat a teammate.

Esooa?

[Alison]

what is the rej wagon about? I didn't find any context clues in his iso, just seems detached and low effort

Bingo

And also Esooa treated him how she’d allegedly treat a teammate.

Esooa?

She's flipped mafia. And she had partner-like interactions with him.

[Alison]

what is the rej wagon about? I didn't find any context clues in his iso, just seems detached and low effort

Bingo

is this ai for them

Yes. In a bad way.

[Kylemii]

oh. I see. so the idea is that rej could be vault city

[Alison]

oh. I see. so the idea is that rej could be vault city

Yes.

[Grogu]

Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol

Yeah. I see Alison being very reasonable and seems more truthful.
Falcon is making shit up since he knows I have some kind of info about his doings. I kinda want to kill falcon

[Kylemii]

gotta get a PhD in algebra to figure out whether that's a bad thing or not brb

[KZA]

Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol

Yeah. I see Alison being very reasonable and seems more truthful.
Falcon is making shit up since he knows I have some kind of info about his doings. I kinda want to kill falcon

It's okay Grogu he's dead now

[Grogu]

Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol

I'm not.



Do I have any history of making false claims or plays that even remotely resemble this as Maf, or Town for that matter?

Well you're no Lucky in that department

You don't have much reason not to hardclaim at this point since you've given enough info to whittle down the potential roles if you are town

All hostile factions were given reliable fake characters to claim. If I was Maf, I'd just use my provided fake character to claim.

Ok let’s vote falcon. He keeps saying this but his claim wouldn’t match up with his actions. This is why he is caught.
Good game falcon. You fk up and you die now.
Vote falcon. He’s scum

[Grogu]

Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol

I'm not.



Do I have any history of making false claims or plays that even remotely resemble this as Maf, or Town for that matter?

Well you're no Lucky in that department

You don't have much reason not to hardclaim at this point since you've given enough info to whittle down the potential roles if you are town

All hostile factions were given reliable fake characters to claim. If I was Maf, I'd just use my provided fake character to claim.

you haven't even claimed which town role you're supposed to be sooo

Exactly. If I'm Maf, why wouldn't I use my fake role?

Simple. Not fitting

[Grogu]

Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol

I'm not.



Do I have any history of making false claims or plays that even remotely resemble this as Maf, or Town for that matter?

Well you're no Lucky in that department

You don't have much reason not to hardclaim at this point since you've given enough info to whittle down the potential roles if you are town

All hostile factions were given reliable fake characters to claim. If I was Maf, I'd just use my provided fake character to claim.

you haven't even claimed which town role you're supposed to be sooo

Exactly. If I'm Maf, why wouldn't I use my fake role?

if you're town why wouldn't you use your real role????

Hahaha exactly. Come on falcon is only thinking from scum POV when is much easier to just think as town here if he was.

[Kylemii]

grogu is trapped in the time stream :0

[Sloonei]

Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol

I'm not.



Do I have any history of making false claims or plays that even remotely resemble this as Maf, or Town for that matter?

Well you're no Lucky in that department

You don't have much reason not to hardclaim at this point since you've given enough info to whittle down the potential roles if you are town

All hostile factions were given reliable fake characters to claim. If I was Maf, I'd just use my provided fake character to claim.

Ok let’s vote falcon. He keeps saying this but his claim wouldn’t match up with his actions. This is why he is caught.
Good game falcon. You fk up and you die now.
Vote falcon. He’s scum

tutuu's not here to administer pats, so i'll do it for her.
*patpat*

[Alison]

gotta get a PhD in algebra to figure out whether that's a bad thing or not brb

It's a bad thing. Anyone sided with the town should treat both Vault City and Enclave members as enemies. Even if they are not directly an enemy of your faction, they're still going to be pursuing mafia goals in general, including killing strong townies, which makes it hard to solve the game and get your actual factional enemies killed.

[Grogu]

it's very possible that falcon is this role:

Frank Horrigan (guaranteed to appear)

You're a freakish cybernetic mutated monster man, or something like a man, serving at the head of the United States Secret Service. In addition to providing protection for the President, you're tasked with handling certain critical matters on the mainland where pure, unmutated humans should not venture. You're a terrifying motherfucker, and you don't let anyone meet you without understanding that keenly. Semper Fi.

You are the antagonist. You have been primed and constructed to perform a variety of the Enclaves most important and demanding tasks.
You are a 1-shot vigilante. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be killed. This is separate from the Enclave factional kill.
You are a 2-shot role cop. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told that player's role.
You are a 1-shot janitor. Once during the game you may elect to janitor your team's factional kill. The killed player's role will not be revealed publicly, but your team will be informed of it privately.
You are a 1-shot doctor. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be protected from any fatal actions that night.

in which case it is 100% in our interest to eliminate him today. that is a nasty-ass role.

That could explain. So he is a cop but is scum cop.

[Sloonei]

I am mostly ignoring colors. Enclave and Vault City = Mafia Factions
Slaver and Jagged Jimmy J (RIP) = Independents
Everyone else = Town

[Kylemii]

gotta get a PhD in algebra to figure out whether that's a bad thing or not brb

It's a bad thing. Anyone sided with the town should treat both Vault City and Enclave members as enemies. Even if they are not directly an enemy of your faction, they're still going to be pursuing mafia goals in general, including killing strong townies, which makes it hard to solve the game and get your actual factional enemies killed.

incredible, that makes things much easier

[Alison]

I am mostly ignoring colors. Enclave and Vault City = Mafia Factions
Slaver and Jagged Jimmy J (RIP) = Independents
Everyone else = Town

This is basically what I'm treating the game as, yeah.

[Sloonei]

it's very possible that falcon is this role:

Frank Horrigan (guaranteed to appear)

You're a freakish cybernetic mutated monster man, or something like a man, serving at the head of the United States Secret Service. In addition to providing protection for the President, you're tasked with handling certain critical matters on the mainland where pure, unmutated humans should not venture. You're a terrifying motherfucker, and you don't let anyone meet you without understanding that keenly. Semper Fi.

You are the antagonist. You have been primed and constructed to perform a variety of the Enclaves most important and demanding tasks.
You are a 1-shot vigilante. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be killed. This is separate from the Enclave factional kill.
You are a 2-shot role cop. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told that player's role.
You are a 1-shot janitor. Once during the game you may elect to janitor your team's factional kill. The killed player's role will not be revealed publicly, but your team will be informed of it privately.
You are a 1-shot doctor. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be protected from any fatal actions that night.

in which case it is 100% in our interest to eliminate him today. that is a nasty-ass role.

That could explain. So he is a cop but is scum cop.

GROGU CAN YOU HEAR US!?

[Grogu]

There’s another possibility, which someone should breach.

"falcon was eliminated. he was a vanilla townie"

If he flips VT I'm blacklisting him.

He cannot be vt, come on

[Kylemii]

grogu stuck in the bifrost is a good look, because it means he hasn't checked into btsc before coming into the thread

[Alison]

There’s another possibility, which someone should breach.

"falcon was eliminated. he was a vanilla townie"

If he flips VT I'm blacklisting him.

He cannot be vt, come on

I agree he cannot be VT.

[Sloonei]

He's almost caught back up to the present. The nightmare is coming to an end.

[Sloonei]

VT = Vermont = Bernie Sanders

[Grogu]

falcon45ca has been killed by the host. He was:

Spoiler: show

Jagged Jimmy J

Please do not discuss host kill decisions publicly. It is okay to speculate about game-relevant matters, but not the decision itself. falcon is not in trouble, the cause was accidental. Concerns may be directed to me privately. Thanks folks.

So falcon was jagged jimmy and was green? Wtf argh I hate this game.

[KZA]

I'm purple team

[Grogu]

wait is one of the load-bearing arguments that he couldn't be a certain role because his actions aren't in alignment with that role's win condition?

No the load-bearing argument is that Falcon cannot be what he claims to be because it is mechanically impossible for him to get the night result he claims to have with any investigative role.

Did you kill falcon??

[Spacedaisy]

So I wasn't around, nor have I properly caught up on what happened at EoD yesterday. I know someone mentioned there was a red peek on Rej from Mac? What's the story there? Why didn't he get chopped?

I'm going to toss my vote there for now just to be sure I don't miss another vote. I'll try and play tomorrow, at the very least I can play at lunchtime. I'll reevaluate then.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

I do not know where you got this, bur your vote is in the right place.

I swear that is what someone told me at the end of D1. I’d have to go back and look. Maybe I’m crazy, I dunno. Lots of crazy shit has happened in this game.

[Kylemii]

okay and the chopchop thing, that involved just the spacedaisy message or was there something before that as well

[Alison]

wait is one of the load-bearing arguments that he couldn't be a certain role because his actions aren't in alignment with that role's win condition?

No the load-bearing argument is that Falcon cannot be what he claims to be because it is mechanically impossible for him to get the night result he claims to have with any investigative role.

Did you kill falcon??

No. The host did.

[Kylemii]

So I wasn't around, nor have I properly caught up on what happened at EoD yesterday. I know someone mentioned there was a red peek on Rej from Mac? What's the story there? Why didn't he get chopped?

I'm going to toss my vote there for now just to be sure I don't miss another vote. I'll try and play tomorrow, at the very least I can play at lunchtime. I'll reevaluate then.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

I do not know where you got this, bur your vote is in the right place.

I swear that is what someone told me at the end of D1. I’d have to go back and look. Maybe I’m crazy, I dunno. Lots of crazy shit has happened in this game.

from wolf btsc????

[Grogu]

I am so confused. Why would falcon just lie, I could have clear him ffs. This is dumb

[Grogu]

wait is one of the load-bearing arguments that he couldn't be a certain role because his actions aren't in alignment with that role's win condition?

No the load-bearing argument is that Falcon cannot be what he claims to be because it is mechanically impossible for him to get the night result he claims to have with any investigative role.

Did you kill falcon??

No. The host did.

What?

[Grogu]

wait is one of the load-bearing arguments that he couldn't be a certain role because his actions aren't in alignment with that role's win condition?

No the load-bearing argument is that Falcon cannot be what he claims to be because it is mechanically impossible for him to get the night result he claims to have with any investigative role.

Did you kill falcon??

No. The host did.

Just I know but did you submit the kill I mean, don’t be smart now.

[Grogu]

What should I do now?

[Sloonei]

What should I do now?

Flip a coin and vote for either rej or chopchop

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The poll deadline is in approximately 5 hours and 10 minutes.

[Alison]

wait is one of the load-bearing arguments that he couldn't be a certain role because his actions aren't in alignment with that role's win condition?

No the load-bearing argument is that Falcon cannot be what he claims to be because it is mechanically impossible for him to get the night result he claims to have with any investigative role.

Did you kill falcon??

No. The host did.

Just I know but did you submit the kill I mean, don’t be smart now.

The kill was not submitted by anyone. We aren't allowed to discuss why it happened; it was a modkill made for something outside the boundaries of the game.

[Alison]

Anyway I need a break from the thread, this day phase has been a roller coaster and I just want to see a flip.

[Gavial]

I am not the Slaver. Falcon is full of shit.

We will see about that tonight.

[Sloonei]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

[Gavial]

@Kylemii
May I ask why your voting me here when you were voting with me before.

[Alison]

I am not the Slaver. Falcon is full of shit.

We will see about that tonight.

How would you know? Your claim is that you're a town messenger. What, did you ask Enclave buddies to shoot me to see if I have a vest?

[Alison]

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

[Gavial]

Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.