Re: STAR WARS Mafia [Day 8]
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:18 pm
Yeah this is way less suspicious than WilgySorsha wrote:
Why quite possibly as opposed to you being more confident about the other three?MacDougall wrote:Stop stop stop...
Zebra, MP, Dom ... we're being had. We are all good guys just throwing shit at each other. The quiet players that aren't completely absent are the bad guys.
DrWilgy, sig, DFaraday. Quite possibly sorsha. They are the ones you want to kill.
By the way I never got paid when Roxy died so that was a lie.
MacDougall wrote:Russtifinko
nijuukyugou
a2thezebra
MovingPictures07
Dom
Elohcin
thellama
Canucklehead
Matt
Sorsha
Bullzeye
Metalmarsh89
Spacedaisy
DFaraday
sig
DrWilgy
Please mod-kill these players:
Bass_the_Clever
Bubbles
That's not true. I started suspecting him during my analysis of four days worth of votes. A truly villainous activity that only a bad guy would engage in! Lynch the one who posts!a2thezebra wrote:Because I'm no more certain about Wilgy than any other insert-expletive-here lurker. You weren't attacking him until his MP vote yourself.MacDougall wrote:Seriously though how can you be not attacking Wilgy.
This "I post and put in so much effort" therefore I'm town and anyone who doesn't is bad seriously needs to stop. It's embarrassing.MacDougall wrote:That's not true. I started suspecting him during my analysis of four days worth of votes. A truly villainous activity that only a bad guy would engage in! Lynch the one who posts!a2thezebra wrote:Because I'm no more certain about Wilgy than any other insert-expletive-here lurker. You weren't attacking him until his MP vote yourself.MacDougall wrote:Seriously though how can you be not attacking Wilgy.
I'm not embarrassed by it. Thanks for caring about my self esteem though.a2thezebra wrote:This "I post and put in so much effort" therefore I'm town and anyone who doesn't is bad seriously needs to stop. It's embarrassing.MacDougall wrote:That's not true. I started suspecting him during my analysis of four days worth of votes. A truly villainous activity that only a bad guy would engage in! Lynch the one who posts!a2thezebra wrote:Because I'm no more certain about Wilgy than any other insert-expletive-here lurker. You weren't attacking him until his MP vote yourself.MacDougall wrote:Seriously though how can you be not attacking Wilgy.
Consider me jealous.MacDougall wrote:I can't even see my penis
a2thezebra wrote:I'm content with any of the following lynches today...
MovingPictures07
MacDougall
Sorsha
What lynches would you be content with today, Sorsha?Sorsha wrote:a2thezebra wrote:I'm content with any of the following lynches today...
MovingPictures07
MacDougall
Sorsha
It's at least partially untrue. I figure since you called me a liar I better start lying.a2thezebra wrote:If this is true then I take back endorsing a Sorsha lynch. She should have the chance to defend herself with something beyond icons.
Believe me, I feel your pain.Sorsha wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I am highly dissatisfied with the fact zebra is off the poll because I believe she is every bit as bad as MP.
Matt wrote:Should I vote for you again or look elsewhere?
Here Z points out a contradiction in Enrique's previous-day play. A fancy bit of distancing if the BTSC-Hutts knew who Greedo was, perhaps, but I'm not inclined to read it that way. Either Z is not a Butt and is just scum-hunting, or Z is a Butt and didn't know who Greedo was. Inconclusive (as I think most interactions with/about Enrique are bound to be because of the non-BTSC structure of the Butt team).a2thezebra wrote:Enrique wrote:She's a she.
I don't want to vote for Bass... when he talks about "when I flip civ" I believe he's being genuine. I'll still vote to save myself because I can only be certain of my role, but still, I'd much rather see Roxy get the noose today.I know it's early, but I think I've found my Day 3 vote.Enrique wrote:Bass
See now, THIS is actually interesting. I actually think this might be a very ironic post. I think Z is right that Enrique *is* buddying her here...I just think he's doing it not to try and gain civ-cred, but to try and defend a teammate coming under heat. It's just that Z wasn't aware Enri was her teamie :lol: Of course, this speculation only holds if Enrique was aware of who his teammates were.... but yeah. Interesting that Enrique was willing to stick his neck out for Z here. It could just be a coincidence, of course, and is definitely not conclusive. But I'm intrigued.a2thezebra wrote:Buddying much?Enrique wrote:Low posting is generally seen as unhelpful and scummy. I take no issue with Zebra's GTH on them.
She was upset because Golden gave up on your lynch so easily. I think you're also kinda overstating her reaction, getting Matt was a good thing but it's not especially helpful information.
Well, this honestly makes my comments about the previous quote seem less convincing. This could be a fine bit of acting/subtle hinting on Enrique's part (signaling that he's a teammate, not a "friend"; stating he'll "support" when necessary "even if I don't have much to add"; claiming to be in the dark about what Z and team are doing might be a gesture towards not being in on the BTSC).....but I will admit that that is quite far-fetched. Not impossible, but far-fetched. (Though if it's true, good on you Enrique! Suave!)a2thezebra wrote:What's the point of accusing me of playing it off as a flip-flop and twisting the quotes when I did literally nothing but post the quotes themselves with all the context necessary and say that I'm likely going to vote for you? There is no sane way to interpret what I did as twisting anything. There's supporting me when you think I'm onto something and then there's writing my defenses for me as if you knew exactly what was going through my head with each and every one of my actions. I'm not a fan of that and it doesn't speak well of your alignment.Enrique wrote:Zebra, that's a joke, right? I don't like the way you're twisting those quotes. The first one was specifically about having to vote for Bass to save myself. Like, that was actually the context, don't try to play it off as a flip-flop because I did exactly what I had to.
Sorry for agreeing with you but I really don't give a shit about making friends in this game. If I think you're onto something I'll support you when it's relevant, even if I don't have much to add. I have no idea what the hell you're doing right now, so there's that.
Enri seems genuinely frustrated here. Maybe that's because he knows his own teammate is unknowingly going hard at him?? I don't actually think so. I'm more and more beginning to think that either Enrique is a FANTASTIC actor, or neither he nor the other Huts knew who the other was, and therefore finding connections among Enrique and Butts is going to be a fool's errand.a2thezebra wrote:I'm not treating you in any particular way, this is a game. I think the burden of proof is on you here. What context did I miss that makes your actions more justifiable? How am I being manipulative? Where did I give you the impression that I don't know what you're talking about? I know exactly what you're talking about and I don't believe a word you're saying.Enrique wrote:No, don't treat me like I'm stupid. You finger picked that shit and took it out of context. You're not just "quoting stuff," you're being manipulative and there's absolutely no way you don't know what I'm talking about.
Can you give me a better explanation as to why you quoted those posts?
First time Z has interacted with or mentioned bcornett since her Day 1 ISO of him, I think?a2thezebra wrote:Okay I'm only speaking for my own Bass vote here but I did not just vote for Bass because of lack of content. If that was the case then why didn't I vote for any other low poster? Bass pinged me with more than half of his posts. I was wrong of course, but I do not think my vote was unjustified, just uninformed.bcornett24 wrote:@mm
I have read over bass's posts and i honestly can't tell you why he was lynched let alone had a single vote. Here is the post history for Bass_the_Clever. As I had previously stated I could not recall why he was considered to be suspicious therefore I placed my vote on Enrique instead. I am not sure how this made me your number one suspect. In fact, that is as suspicious as bass's Lynch. 6 players voted for bass. Of those the only player only zebra seems to have provided a reason in her ISO which basically stated that her suspicions were based on lack of content/participation.
This is not a good look, defending bconett, but then subtly shifting the defense-move into an offensive move against Golden's flip-flopping. Clever. Deflects attention from bcornett, but very sneakily without looking like a hard defense.a2thezebra wrote:For Mac, that reaction could go either way with equal likelihood. Personally I think he's genuine.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Neutral on Mac. I voted him on Day 1, and that seemed to get him moving. It was all jokes and smokes before I voted him, and it was business afterward. Do you think that is a baddie reaction or civvie one?a2thezebra wrote:Until MP returns what do YOU think of those two, MM?
Slight mafia on bcornett. I don't like his vote from Day 2, but I'm still waiting on a response for him, because I may have misunderstood him. What do you think about bcornett?
I disagree with some of bcornett's logic but it doesn't come off as manipulative to me. Golden said earlier that he was ready to vote bcornett and then he convinced him otherwise to the point where he was one of Golden's slight town reads for that same day, and now Golden is back to being ready to vote for him again.
Here, Golden (clearly having notice Z's avoidance of his bcornett vote) directly questions Z on the matter. Z's response is verrrrrry tentative and hedgey. Soft defense, but leaving room for herself to change her mind if it becomes necessary. Once again points to Golden's own back-and-forth attitude on bcornett, once again shift focus from bcornett himself to Golden's "suspicious" behaviors around bcornett. Again, I don't think this looks particularly good for Z.a2thezebra wrote:I'm not doubting that they are bad, but at this point I don't feel like I'm even in a position to vote for anyone but myself. Nothing gets me down more than miscommunication that ruins people's enjoyment of something, especially so unnecessarily.Golden wrote:You shouldn't. There is still every chance they are bad. I think if people have read your posts they ought to understand that you in particular have taken the opportunity to read low posters content and judge them on the basis of the content and not the volume.a2thezebra wrote:Now I'm at the point where I'll feel guilty for voting any of the players I suspect.
But I do think it has been very easy to latch on to 'low content' as an excuse for votes without looking beyond it for malicious intent.
Hey, Zebra, I'd like to know specifically what you think about my posts re bcornett.
I'm not confident enough to say that you're flat-out wrong about bcornett, but I think that more than once this game you've been very quick to see his posts as manipulative, and Day 1 you were just as quick to look the other way after he responded to you. I'm town-reading him myself but I want to see how he responds to your more recent suspicion, and honestly I'm slightly pinged that you didn't hesitate to vote for him today. Are you worried he might change your mind again?
More soft defense of bcornett.a2thezebra wrote:I don't see it. It's hypocritical, but that doesn't ping me by itself. If he's being extra careful about his response then that does ping me.Golden wrote:No. A quick look at who voted Alderaan on day zero and who voted in this poll before me should explain what I was worried about.a2thezebra wrote:Are you worried he might change your mind again?
I don't think my mind will change on bcornett again. Doing it one time is one thing. Doing it several times is another. He has also been around since my suspicion (I've seen him leave the thread, come back, and then read the thread) but he hasn't made any acknowledgment of it yet, which makes me think he is being extra careful about his response. I only voted after I had seen that happen.
But, although you did respond to my question, what I'm particularly interested in is what you make of his flip from his perspective on the bass lynch to his perspective on bubbles.
Translation: "Holy suit, teammate! I'm coming PERILOUSLY close to doing a full out defense on you here! Defend your damn self! Don't take me down with you! I will use sarcastic orange so that it looks like I'm just trying to get more information, but actually I'm kind of bothered that you've put me in this situation"a2thezebra wrote:Oh, I see him now. bcornett I DEMAND YOU RESPOND TO GOLDEN ASAP OR ELSE
But seriously, that would be nice bcornett. Pretty please? I'm trying.
"......fuck. Time to go full on bus mode, I guess"a2thezebra wrote:Well bcornett's gone again.
This just very much reads to me like a frustrated teammate. My guess is bcornett didn't show up to BTSC much. Bus mode full-on engaged, and the complete 180 necessitated both by bcornetts super-shady actions AND z's awareness of her own soft defenses earlier.a2thezebra wrote:He's scum, that's what you are to make of that. I didn't have a problem with Glorfindel's silent vote but from bcornett who was in the thread when both of us were asking him for a response to your suspicion and then left without a single post...yeah.Golden wrote:I'm here-ish, ninja.
I would like to get a sense of who you are most suspicious of, and particularly your view on the more popular suspects like zebra, bcornett, russti, glorfindel, enrique, bubbles...
@zebra - I just looked at the poll and I see bcornett voted me, so...
I mean, what am I to make of that?
And that's actually pretty much all the development MP missed. No more context necessary. It is an OMGUS without even a post attempting to justify it.Golden wrote:I voted for him first.MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden, bcornett voted for you?
I presume I've missed some major development then.
Staying in front of the burning ship.a2thezebra wrote:At the moment I'd be more comfortable with a bcornett lynch than a Glorfindel lynch.
"Gosh I hope everyone forgets that I defended bcornett before he shat the bed entirely"a2thezebra wrote:Ranked from towniest to scummiest.
Canucklehead
MacDougall
Golden
Simon
nijuukyugou
MovingPictures07
DFaraday
Black Rock
Roxy
Metalmarsh89
Enrique
Sorsha
sig
Dom
Elohcin
DrWilgy
Glorfindel
NANANANANANA_BANANA
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Mishimeals
Russtifinko
Savage
Bubbles
bcornett24
MM notices Z's about-face on bcornett, and wonders why Z doesn't consider the possibility that bcornett is a civ doing an OMGUS. Z holds her ground, to her credit. She's dug in now. I think a civ response to MM's question would have entertained the possibility, rather than jumped to self-defense.a2thezebra wrote:I was telling him that he was being uncomfortably indecisive about bcornett, and I still think that for the most part he was. But after seeing bcornett pop in the thread, post nothing regarding either his out-of-nowhere OMGUS vote or a response to both Golden and myself asking a response from him, I think my flip-flop is justified.Metalmarsh89 wrote:But you've been telling Golden he's wrong about bcornett. Do you think this OMGUS comes from a civvie mindset?a2thezebra wrote:And that's actually pretty much all the development MP missed. No more context necessary. It is an OMGUS without even a post attempting to justify it.Golden wrote:I voted for him first.MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden, bcornett voted for you?
I presume I've missed some major development then.
MM isn't buying it. Clever MM! (Note: MM killed by Butts soon after this. The very next chance they have to kill. Hmmmmm.)
Z votes bcornett, having no other option. The "simply no excuse" bit reads very much like a pissed teammate. Civs don't say things like that about their suspects.a2thezebra wrote:I'm voting bcornett24. A red flag is a red flag regardless of the rest of his ISO. And I can't think of a more nonredeemable red flag than a complete failure to respond to suspicion followed by a postless OMGUS vote. There is simply no excuse.
If it turns out that Z is a Hutt, this is a super hilarious ironic post.a2thezebra wrote:And I think you're not giving the bcornett heat nearly enough credit. It's way more well-founded than you seem to think it is.
I doubt it was to set you up. I think Sig died to make people think MP did it, tbh. I'm conflicted in how I feel about him though because I don't see why a civ would switch the lynch to Golden of all people.Matt wrote:Bye sig
So that's funny. sig dies and sorsha is smiley cursed right after I involve them in my theory.
I'm being set up already
Scratch what I said about a mafia team setting me up. I think this is exactly what happened.MacDougall wrote:Or the target was the other way round and they didn't expect MP to get lynched.DFaraday wrote:Hmm, you're right, I totally missed that. It doesn't necessarily clear MP, though, it would just mean Leia thinks he's civ.MacDougall wrote:"Having experienced many political, martial, and interpersonal scenarios, Leia Organa can use any non-secret Rebel Alliance action once."DFaraday wrote:Ackbar was the civvie lynch switch, and I find it unlikely that there would be two civvies who could do that. Therefore, I believe this was more likely to be the work of baddies (Palpatine?), and I don't see why a baddie team would use a lynch switch to save someone not on their team, just to frame that same person. The obvious explanation is that MP is bad and his team saved him.
I still suspect Daisy, but I think she was right about this, at least.
Come to think of it, if Leia is alive then it's getting to the point where she'd have to start using the more random roles.
Tbh it's more likely it was was Leia than the bad guys. At least we know for sure that Leia can do that.
Leia Organa can use any non-secret Rebel Alliance action once. If she had to make a selection during Night 6, it's possible she chose Akbar's role, because she's running out of good options and because maybe she thought some folks that were catching heat at the time were likely to be civilian and lynched.Bullzeye wrote:Can you explain more clearly exactly what 'this' is?
Now you begin to understand.Canucklehead wrote:Seriously? Not a SINGLE thought on my case?
I'm starting to understand what you high-poster type people are always on about...
I think normally it's the "She" who does the pegging in a relationship...MovingPictures07 wrote:Now you begin to understand.Canucklehead wrote:Seriously? Not a SINGLE thought on my case?
I'm starting to understand what you high-poster type people are always on about...
Well, I obviously think zebra is bad, so your case has some merit on that front.
I was pegging her for Empire though.
Hey, if it helps I had some thoughts on it.Canucklehead wrote:Seriously? Not a SINGLE thought on my case?
I'm starting to understand what you high-poster type people are always on about...