The Syndicate

Soneji wrote:

Quin wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Quin wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Quin wrote:That latter post of Soneji is not something I like. It's shutting down opposition to something that by all rights should be discussed until everyone's sick of talking about it.

Says the queen of tinfoil.

i do not know what relevance tinfoil as a concept has to my post, so this just feels like you're discrediting me.

Besides, I never tinfoil.

It was a joke Quin.

As for your argument about Dys being scummy due to how he followed up his fake slip, with the reads he gave and hiw he gave them, that is a valid avenue of discussion. The only thing I was saying is that the argument that Dys is scum based on him knowledge slipping is pretty much off the table. Questioning his follow-up or motivation for trying that tactic here is well within bounds.

Maybe you're misunderstanding what I'm talking about. I think that her reads based on people's reactions to the fakeslip look okay. But she also mentioned that she had three scum-reads in the same post, and when pressed about it, she denied having any - adding to that, I'm pretty sure she expressed independent suspicion of Golden before that as well.


Is Dys male or female? I'm seeing his's and her's thrown around a lot.

I don't see anything bizarre about mentioning reads that don't exist in the same post that has a fake knowledge slip. Just seems like it was part of baiting reactions.

I don't understand the mindset of trickster types

Soneji wrote:juliets, are you more concerned with the likelihood of two town doctors pointing to Quin being scum or Golden not watching obvious mafia kill targets?

Quin wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I should probably start asking questions.

Silver/Quin/Fred/LC, gtth read someone in my light green to orange area, would you?

I need more evaluation from the players I've played with the most so I can evaluate your evaluations.

GTH bad on Fred, and GTH civ on the marmot, Nacho and Soneji. I agree with everything else.

Quin wrote:Something I wouldn't bring up in normal circumstances (but I think that this is a special case given how chaotic the thread was at EoD), but I saw Soneji viewing for thread at EoD and never posted.

linki: Your posts gave the impression that you'd have landed on a Dyslexicon or Scotty vote.

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My face when Soneji's vote is pointless

I could CFD Soneji. Scotty's the other option, but I'm not an asshole.

Quin wrote:3J, what's your case on Soneji?

Soneji wrote:The silly argument is that saying the amount of towncred that might be achievable with what Dys pulled is worth the high possibility of getting lynched, especially when hammer rules are in play.

I haven't seen a single person give actual town cred to Dys. Several people are still voting for Dys based on it and others like myself and Golden have outright stated that Dys should not get towncred.

Silly arguments are not exactly mafia motivated arguments though, which is why I'm not voting you. What I don't understand is that if you are so convinced of the probability of a mafia Dys posting a fake slip to gain town cred, why aren't you voting Dys?

Soneji wrote:@Jay in regards to the sig lynch: I would say Syndicate regulars with their familiarity with sig mislynches come off looking the worst in general, yourself and Golden in particular as starters of that wagon. I can't really agree that "Are there any good reasons not to lynch sig" is a good approach, "Are there any good reasons we should lynch sig over Wilgy, Sorcha, Dfaraday, Eloh" would be a considerably better one.

@Sloonei on Golden : I would say that talking about ones scum meta as a response to suspicion is generally something mafia do more than town. Especially when one is touting themselves as too careful/skilled to scumslip in certain ways, it's a method of intimidation. Golden going into his scum meta there just felt straight unnecessary.

Later Golden gives his opinion on whose more likely to have killed Nacho then dismisses that info as something he doesn't believe as worthwhile. Why even remark on it if you don't think it is a viable method of scumhunting? Since he agreed with both Jay and Jack on their NK analysis, then dismissed the info as useful, it comes off as buddying mixed with fence-sitting.

Still reading up on phone.

Soneji wrote:So I've been both busy IRL and with running my own game on NF, disheartened with how far behind I've become in this game. I have tried just reading the last couple pages and looking into my suspects from before, along with vote counts from the first two lynches. The thing that stood out to me most while going through all this was that Fredwood didn't have a vote listed for D1 or D2 in the final vote counts, so I looked through his post history to see if he had just unvoted...he hasn't put down a single vote this entire game so far. CTLR+F turned up the word vote quite a number of times from him but it was in regards to basing reads of his on how other people voted or giving reasons why he didn't vote sig or Dys. He said in one of D1 posts that he doesn't like to rush votes but this is just straight not moving from the starting line.

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I saw Nutella cleared JJJ, though I'm not sure I exactly trust that. Nutella had been being buddy-buddy with JJJ early on and I don't care for JJJ's vote history.

juliet's said something about how Scotty here reminded her of herself in GoC when she mislynched me. I checked that game to see if she was still alive and at least according to the player list she hasn't died yet, so it pings me that she is using her unconfirmed alignment there to townread someone here.

Need to see more into Golden with the time I have. I read Sloonei's JoH case but it didn't really register bad with me, maybe due to it hinging on being more caught up with the thread.] aubergine

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:[VOTE: hey soneji why shouldn't I shoot you?] aubergine

[VOTE:
Because I'm town.] aubergine

[VOTE:
Who does town soneji propose I shoot instead? Who did you vote for on Night 2?] aubergine

[VOTE:
I voted for you N2.

I would be inclined to say Fredwood but no one shares said suspicion. Shoot Golden.] aubergine

Soneji wrote:

Quin wrote:[VOTE: Dizzy, Fred, juliets, Sloonei, Soneji, speedchuck

Can you answer this?] aubergine

Quin wrote:[VOTE: I would like to know what people's reads are on Golden as of this point.] aubergine

[VOTE:
Scum read.

[VOTE: ] aubergine[VOTE:

Back to reading ] aubergine] aubergine

Soneji wrote:[VOTE: [VOTE: juliets, are you more concerned with the likelihood of two town doctors pointing to Quin being scum or Golden not watching obvious mafia kill targets?] aubergine] aubergine

Soneji wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Golden wrote:[VOTE: [VOTE: @speed - what bothers you mechanically about my claim?] aubergine] aubergine

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Watching every night.

Pretty much every other town role has been limited in some way. For you to claim just watcher (which came up before the trend of limited power was fully apparent) gives me balance issues that I discussed earlier with JJJ. I am sure that you are a watcher, but I'm worried that it might be a mafia watcher because of the power imbalance. Call it paranoia, as I'm still relying on my read over mech stuff.] aubergine] aubergine

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JJJ is a three-shot tracker. Golden being an unlimited town Watcher would be nearly impossible with that kind of balance, as Watchers>>>Trackers. A Watcher can catch multiple people targeting someone and only has to aim for suspected targets of the NK, while a tracker not only has to have a correct mafia read but also hope that that mafia is making the faction kill that night.] aubergine] aubergine

Golden wrote:[VOTE: [VOTE: Some notes:

I'm not going to vote for any of the syndicate first timers out of principle. This is RM culture and I believe strongly in it. Besides common courtesy, it's an acknowledgement that there's no basis on which I can rely on reads based on such little exposure to you.

I'm also not going to vote for Jay, despite the fact he's been my only real active suspicion today. This is kind of an arsey elitist thing to say, but I think he's of a lot of value to the town if I'm wrong about him, for a couple of reasons. I'd rather wait a day or two and see how things develop.

Quin, Marmot, Dizzy, Nacho and Jack all look fine to me, so I won't be voting them today.

That leaves a pool for me to think about and analyse of: inh, sig, soneji, long con, wilgy, sorsha, nutella, scotty, eloh, df, strawhenge. I'll look into as many of these as I can in the time I have.] aubergine] aubergine

Golden wrote:[VOTE: [VOTE: Soneji - apparently you don't know the difference between lying and the truth. I'm prone to slip because I don't lie often, not in spite of it.] aubergine] aubergine

Golden wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:[VOTE: [VOTE: Golden is now firmly in the greenish area of the spectrum for me. That scummy gut-read passed like a bit of overdone potato. I'm curious about your continuing case against me. I can't promise promptness with my answers, but I can answer questions if you have them.] aubergine] aubergine

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I'm also curious about it. It's gut feeling, and for me it's definitely more a case of wanting to find time to explore your post history and feeling like you are a bit of an enigma in this game than already knowing why I feel this way. Same thing with Soneji.] aubergine] aubergine

Golden wrote:[VOTE: [VOTE: Ugh, another unexpected meeting

I see a bandwagon has formed on LC. I don't think that's the right way to go.

I'll vote for soneji over LC if that's what it's coming down too. Has everyone but me moved away from Quin? Will have to look and see what others have said about our engagement earlier. I really don't like it one bit.] aubergine] aubergine

Golden wrote:[VOTE: [VOTE: I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.] aubergine] aubergine

Golden wrote:[VOTE: [VOTE: soneji is the right call.] aubergine] aubergine

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.

Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.

Is Long Con your teammate?

I don't know LC's alignment, only my own. I would be inclined to vote for him over Quin, as he has pinged me several times to Quin's zero.

Soneji wrote:[VOTE: ] aubergine

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:[VOTE: I didn't forget Soneji was playing, but I also have nothing to say about him.

He's like a pomegranate drying out in the sun on a hot day. Could still be good when I rediscover it.

Or it could be...


OMGranate.

] aubergine

[VOTE:
..and this, for instance, is even better than Civ behaviour. Pure hilarity! On the Soneji subject, though, I have trouble remembering much about his opinions. It doesn't help that I mix his name up with Sloonei's half the time.] aubergine

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:[VOTE: Sloonei: I recommend you consider directing the crosshairs elsewhere. Soneji or Scotty come to mind.] aubergine

[VOTE:
And if you don't feel like executing Jack, Sloonei, then this looks fine to me. Scotty seems bad sometimes and fine other times, and Soneji... I can't remember much about him so worth a shot.] aubergine

Long Con wrote:[VOTE: What is the difference between Elohcin and Soneji?] aubergine

Long Con wrote:

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:[VOTE: I'm willing to reconsider. I don't have any reads worth a damn. Convince me, LC. Were you instrumental in getting MM lynched?] aubergine

[VOTE:
Yes. Each of the five votes for MM were essential. One missing, and he would have walked.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Why were you specifically instrumental to the case? What did you bring to the table?] aubergine

[VOTE:
Vote Quin

I think Soneji is the easy vote, not the right vote. After Jack's flip (RIP) I have reevaluated Quin. I thought Jack was being disingenuous about him, but it turns out he was probably right.] aubergine